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Here's the thing that really bugs (ahem) me about the whole Chile episode. For a genuine objective researcher, the first thing to do to answer the "is it an insect?" question would be to design a control. To eliminate the "insect at close range" hypothesis, you need to know what at insect at close range actually looks like in shot. That's hardly the most complicated control experiment to set up :-
1) Set up the camera in an area where you know there will be insects in flight
2) Erect a screen a short distance away, say 15-20ft
3) Shoot footage in variety of lighting conditions, times of day etc until you have a reasonable sample size
Thanks to the screen, anything in the resulting footage is known to be close and small rather than large and far away (Dougal). You now have a library of known "BLURFO" insects against which to compare your mystery "object". If your control footage contains lots of frames that resemble your object footage, chances are your object is an insect. Kean made no attempt to run the above control. I find myself asking why?
1) Set up the camera in an area where you know there will be insects in flight
2) Erect a screen a short distance away, say 15-20ft
3) Shoot footage in variety of lighting conditions, times of day etc until you have a reasonable sample size
Thanks to the screen, anything in the resulting footage is known to be close and small rather than large and far away (Dougal). You now have a library of known "BLURFO" insects against which to compare your mystery "object". If your control footage contains lots of frames that resemble your object footage, chances are your object is an insect. Kean made no attempt to run the above control. I find myself asking why?
Why do people always assume UFOs are ET? The USAF always have something they are secretly developing, look how fast aircraft changed in the ten years after the war.
Interesting artcicle - please read the editor's note.
http://www.hidden-truth.org/secrecy/unknown-crafts...
Interesting artcicle - please read the editor's note.
http://www.hidden-truth.org/secrecy/unknown-crafts...
There is a large number of higher than average educated people, both amateur and professional who spend every minute of their spare time looking at, and photograghing the Moon, Planets, stars and great swathes of space.
I have never seen, heard of or talked to an astronomer who claims to have seen a 'UFO'. Odd really, seeing as they spend most of their time looking up.
I think Occam's Razor applies on the subject of UFOs.
I have never seen, heard of or talked to an astronomer who claims to have seen a 'UFO'. Odd really, seeing as they spend most of their time looking up.
I think Occam's Razor applies on the subject of UFOs.
ADM06 said:
Why do people always assume UFOs are ET? The USAF always have something they are secretly developing, look how fast aircraft changed in the ten years after the war.
Interesting artcicle - please read the editor's note.
http://www.hidden-truth.org/secrecy/unknown-crafts...
Even if I had access to a vehicle with the bullsInteresting artcicle - please read the editor's note.
http://www.hidden-truth.org/secrecy/unknown-crafts...
t specs claimed in that webpage I'll never be able to get the time back I just wasted reading it.Anyone can tell the fake pictures from the "real." They're just pushing what this guy has said. The bit I find most interesting is the reduction in mass effectively reducing the forces on the pilots, something people seem to forget about when they say they've seen a UFO dancing about in the sky.
I don't believe it, but part of me wants to. This talk of RAM/SCRAM jets is all very boring. I'd like to think there is something a bit more interesting that is being hidden from us.
I don't believe it, but part of me wants to. This talk of RAM/SCRAM jets is all very boring. I'd like to think there is something a bit more interesting that is being hidden from us.
Personally I think that TR3b, that is the direct claim that that web site makes is all a load of weapons grades wotsit.
But, stranger things have happened at sea as they say. I have no doubt there are secret things afoot, been happening since people had armies. But when you look at what the X15 achieved for example, how it did it and for how long. Then look at SR71, Concorde and recent attempts to get to hypersonic speeds, it is tremendously difficult. Have you seen the size of the object used for the last hypersonic test?
Then as if by magic we know how it is done. But we cannot prove it, we have to accept an ex workers word and the web. Tricky.
And of course the gubbmint will deny it or say they have no idea what you are talking about and in the world of strange web sites run by ex footballers that is proof positive.
The people spilling the beans have broken security yet nothing is done, the other issues is people say there are coverups yet the web is full of it.
I think someone is eating tonight off the back of it.
And have you noticed that unmanned drones are very prevalent today? Cheap, compared to SR71, unmanned and reliable. No exotic fuels to deal with or fancy machined parts.
Here is another thing to ponder. Ever heard the sound a plane makes on a glide down to the runway? Imagine something at Mach 7. I think my Spidey senses would be tingling.
But, stranger things have happened at sea as they say. I have no doubt there are secret things afoot, been happening since people had armies. But when you look at what the X15 achieved for example, how it did it and for how long. Then look at SR71, Concorde and recent attempts to get to hypersonic speeds, it is tremendously difficult. Have you seen the size of the object used for the last hypersonic test?
Then as if by magic we know how it is done. But we cannot prove it, we have to accept an ex workers word and the web. Tricky.
And of course the gubbmint will deny it or say they have no idea what you are talking about and in the world of strange web sites run by ex footballers that is proof positive.
The people spilling the beans have broken security yet nothing is done, the other issues is people say there are coverups yet the web is full of it.
I think someone is eating tonight off the back of it.
And have you noticed that unmanned drones are very prevalent today? Cheap, compared to SR71, unmanned and reliable. No exotic fuels to deal with or fancy machined parts.
Here is another thing to ponder. Ever heard the sound a plane makes on a glide down to the runway? Imagine something at Mach 7. I think my Spidey senses would be tingling.
ADM06 said:
Read the editors note again. It is not presented as fact it is merely interesting.
So it's made up then, or at best completely unverifiable speculation. I note it goes into no detail at all as to HOW the engines are supposed to disrupt gravity, just throws around sci-fi phrases like "plasma accelerator ring" and "magnetic vortex disrupter" and assumes that'll do. They might as well say it runs on dilithium crystals and reroutes everything through a subspace loop. For all the nailed on certainty these claims are made with, I've yet to see anyone explain how a pressurised mercury plasma vortex disrupts gravity? All the TR3B articles I've seen present very detailed specifications as fact, yet make no effort to actually explain how any of it works. If you're going to make the claims, you should be able to support them with actual, verifiable physics. That would be the genuinely open minded things to do. Without picking on you personally, given you posted the link, would you care to explain (or link to someone who can) how pressurised mercury plasma accelerated to 50000rpm disrupts gravitational fields by 89%? Those are very specific numbers, so there must be maths to support the claim. Why mercury? Why 89% and not 85%? Why 50,000rpm? Those are the questions you should be asking of the people making such claims.
reptilians, nibiru....this blokes knows it all
http://youtu.be/3kM-3SLFIzg
I think I gave up at the 30minute mark
http://youtu.be/3kM-3SLFIzg
I think I gave up at the 30minute mark
hornet said:
ADM06 said:
Read the editors note again. It is not presented as fact it is merely interesting.
So it's made up then, or at best completely unverifiable speculation. I note it goes into no detail at all as to HOW the engines are supposed to disrupt gravity, just throws around sci-fi phrases like "plasma accelerator ring" and "magnetic vortex disrupter" and assumes that'll do. They might as well say it runs on dilithium crystals and reroutes everything through a subspace loop. For all the nailed on certainty these claims are made with, I've yet to see anyone explain how a pressurised mercury plasma vortex disrupts gravity? All the TR3B articles I've seen present very detailed specifications as fact, yet make no effort to actually explain how any of it works. If you're going to make the claims, you should be able to support them with actual, verifiable physics. That would be the genuinely open minded things to do. Without picking on you personally, given you posted the link, would you care to explain (or link to someone who can) how pressurised mercury plasma accelerated to 50000rpm disrupts gravitational fields by 89%? Those are very specific numbers, so there must be maths to support the claim. Why mercury? Why 89% and not 85%? Why 50,000rpm? Those are the questions you should be asking of the people making such claims.
t.My stance on UFO’s is that they do indeed exist – what they are is the question (hence the unidentified bit) I sometimes find it difficult to explain UFO does not mean aliens, it is simply an object in the sky that cannot be explained or identified at the time it was observed, be it of terrestrial origin or otherwise.
As other posters have quite rightly said earlier on in this thread a lot of the hysteria and government involvement in UFO sightings in the past were to do with the cold war and the fear of some soviet wonder weapon.
Put it this way if I built a large quadricopter and encased it in a big light saucer or triangle body (would probably need helium bags in it because of the extra weight) and flew it around on the outskirts of a village it would be a UFO until somebody found out that it was a random bloke p
g around with a radio controlled flying saucer for sts and giggles.^^^^^
A TV program did that with a glorified balloon a few years ago.
It is interesting when someone posts and image or film and asks "what is it?" It is often presented as a done deal but in a roundabout way whilst still appearing to appeal for an answer. Someone else says "hang on, this looks like a so and so earth object etc etc", the original poster of the imagery then says it cannot be that dspite saying they do not know what it is. People wanting to see a UFO as an alien will see the alien. The insects in the recent Chile air farce film is testimony to this.
A TV program did that with a glorified balloon a few years ago.
It is interesting when someone posts and image or film and asks "what is it?" It is often presented as a done deal but in a roundabout way whilst still appearing to appeal for an answer. Someone else says "hang on, this looks like a so and so earth object etc etc", the original poster of the imagery then says it cannot be that dspite saying they do not know what it is. People wanting to see a UFO as an alien will see the alien. The insects in the recent Chile air farce film is testimony to this.
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