'Curiosity' - NASA Mars Rover - Due to land 5th Aug 2012

'Curiosity' - NASA Mars Rover - Due to land 5th Aug 2012

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russ_a

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212 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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As stated, colonisation biggrin

MiniMan64

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Monday 3rd December 2012
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So "organic compounds"...


...but we're not sure if they were before we got here or not...

RobDickinson

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255 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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"organic compounds" dont mean life though, they are just molecules with carbon in them mostly.

They are though a precursor to life as we know it.

russ_a

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212 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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They had already found this in 2008.

My prediction still stands biggrin

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

238 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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JPL said:


Chlorinated Compounds at 'Rocknest'

The first examinations of Martian soil by the Sample Analysis at Mars, or SAM, instrument on NASA's Mars Curiosity rover show no definitive detection of Martian organic molecules at this point. Organic molecules are carbon-containing compounds essential for life on Earth. The soil grains were acquired from a wind drift named "Rocknest."

The instrument did detect simple chlorinated carbon compounds, represented by ball and stick models on the graph. These compounds contain hydrogen and carbon as well as chlorine. More work is needed to determine if the carbon in these molecules is of terrestrial or Martian origin. The chlorinated compounds were likely created from a reaction with perchlorate or a perchlorite-like phase and carbon-containing molecules.

Future experiments will further address the question of the observed carbon's origins, and the rover will continue to search for organics in both rocks and sands in other environments of Gale Crater.

jmorgan

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285 months

Tuesday 4th December 2012
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Wrong choice of words and the press=statement that bigs it up. Thought it might be.

FunkyNige

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276 months

Tuesday 4th December 2012
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jmorgan said:
Wrong choice of words and the press=statement that bigs it up. Thought it might be.
Little blog about that here that explains how it all came about, but with NASA being so open and transparant I guess it's unavoidable.

Eric Mc

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266 months

Thursday 6th December 2012
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Looks like a Curiosity 2 has been approved for despatch to Mars in a few years time. There is also going to be a static lander (based on the 2008 Phoenix probe ) going to take deeper drilled soil samples.

RealSquirrels

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193 months

Thursday 6th December 2012
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it's a bit of a joke though, they';ve approved the mission but don't yet have any science in mind.

backwards way to do it - identify the scientific need first, and then decide on what mission to have.

i'd rather see a curiosity type rover on titan or europa tbh.

mrmr96

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Thursday 6th December 2012
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RealSquirrels said:
it's a bit of a joke though, they';ve approved the mission but don't yet have any science in mind.

backwards way to do it - identify the scientific need first, and then decide on what mission to have.
I think this is a naiive comment.

If you had an unlimited budget then of course you'd choose your science and then just make it happen.
In the real world you'll get a budget, which will determine the payload capacity which in turn places limitations on what experiments you can take up there.

So now the mission is approved they can work on prioritising what experiments to send up there, and how to make best use of their budget.

RealSquirrels

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Thursday 6th December 2012
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but for the same budget there could be better science to do elsewhere.

there is no reason not to put the budget figure out there and then invite proposals.

the point isn't to spend X amount of money - it's to do science. so to approve a mission before the science is figured out (i.e. how do you know there is good science to do?) is stupid.

Eric Mc

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266 months

Thursday 6th December 2012
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How do you define "better science"?

How do you know what budget is required for (say) a second Mars rover versus a brand new vehiocle for exploring Europa. I very much doubt you would get much of a Europa probe for the cost of a second Mars rover.

Don't you think that it is a good use of limited resources to make use of already developed technolgy to expand our knowledge base of a planet?

For far too long, NASA has invented brand new, specific craft for each separate mission. I think, in restrained times, it is better to devise a standard exploration vehicle for a given planet - such as a base line rover - and then kit it out with the specific instruments needed for that mission.

Eric Mc

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266 months

Thursday 6th December 2012
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Much tougher propositions though. Titan is 1 billion miles away. Venus is hellish.

Mars is relatively easy in comparison and it's far too early to be writing the science and geology of Mars off at such an early stage in its exploration.

RealSquirrels

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193 months

Thursday 6th December 2012
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in fairness to mars, geology is pretty boring everywhere.

(it was exciting when it a rich persons hobby and disproved the whole the-world-was-made-by-god-in-7-days theory, but now? not convinced).

Eric Mc

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266 months

Thursday 6th December 2012
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You're obviously not into geology then.

I find it fascinating - and new discovers are made all the time. I've seen basic precepts about geological processes change radically in my lifetime.

PD9

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Tuesday 15th January 2013
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Any interesting updates or progress reports?

TheHeretic

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Wednesday 16th January 2013
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PD9 said:
Any interesting updates or progress reports?
Supposed to be drilling into some rock that appears to have been part of a water flow.

Eric Mc

122,165 posts

266 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
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Needs its own thread really - not being a Nars Rover.

FunkyNige

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276 months

Wednesday 16th January 2013
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PD9 said:
Any interesting updates or progress reports?
Every week there's a two minute update video on the NASA JPL Youtube channel, last one was on the 10th explaining how they'd used their brush to clear dust off a rock before sampling it and were looking for a suitable rock to drill (which will happen in the next few days).

http://www.youtube.com/user/JPLnews/videos?view=0&...

0000

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Wednesday 16th January 2013
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Bedazzled said:
...but will they share the data?
Do NASA share all of their data?