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GreenV8S said:
Penelope Stopit said:
I can't help but laugh at this
Since when will a fuse protect a battery?
Do you understand the installation scenario being discussed here? The OP is considering having a battery maintainer indoors connected via a long cable to the vehicle which is kept outside some distance away. The cable being proposed isn't armored, isn't intended for outdoors use, will be exposed to the elements over a long period and might be damaged. Some possible types of damage would result in the insulation breaking down. That could lead to a partial or full short circuit within the cable. If you haven't got that part, I can see how the rest of the discussion could be confusing.Since when will a fuse protect a battery?
Imagine a battery maintainer connected to the battery. Imagine causing a dead short in the cable between them. The battery maintainer will see the short but as long as it is fused the fuse will protect it from overcurrent damage. The battery will also see the short and will happily dump several hundred amps down the cable. That might not damage the battery directly but the ensuing fire probably won't do it any favours. A partial short drawing a small enough current not to be a fire hazard would still drain the battery.
A fuse between the vehicle and the cable would prevent a complete short from setting things on fire. A diode would do that too, and would also protect the battery from being drained by a partial short. You're right that the diode would prevent a battery conditioner from discharging the battery. If the OP wants to do that then the diode would be a poor choice, but I don't think he wants to do that.
A battery will dump several hundred amps down a 2.5 mill cable will it? This is better than your diode instead of a fuse post
You dont understand the basics of electricity yet question if I understand the funny things that you have been coming out with
Penelope Stopit said:
Of course I don't understand what you are on about
That much is clear, although I don't see why you find it so difficult to understand since it's a simple situation which has been described clearly several times in this thread.Penelope Stopit said:
How can a fuse protect a battery?
What is the fuse protecting the battery from?
It's protecting the battery from being discharged via a short in a damaged cable. What is the fuse protecting the battery from?
I am now bored to tears with the funnies and piss taking in this topic and will save the above two posters from digging bigger holes for themselves
If a low voltage extension cable is being used to reach from a car parked outside a property to a battery charger that is positioned inside a garage or house and is to remain like this for a long period of time as in more than a day, the extension lead should be protected with a plastic conduit so that direct sunlight will not be able to deteriorate the insulation of the extension lead.
The extension lead should be positioned above ground level if possible and routed/clipped alongside a support cable similar to a clothes line but high enough not to choke/injure anyone, the other option would be to bury the conduit covered cable underground below flagstones or such-like if possible
OK Now that the cable run is sorted. Where the cable enters the car, be it the boot or under-bonnet area, it is important to loop the cable in such a way that rain-water doesn,t run along the cable directly into the car hence flooding it
As long as the battery charger has short circuit protection and the clips for connecting it to the battery are in good order, no other protection is needed, the user of the charger/extension lead should frequently check their condition.
Funny Fuse Post's time
If the user of the charger/extension lead doesn't want to do a proper job of the set-up, yes this means most of us because we can't be assed to do all that feckin work just to charge a battery.
Fitting a fuse at a battery terminal for any sort of protection is a load of feckin b
ks yet the feckin posters that question me not understanding the feckin bks that they are posting still feckin persist
A single fuse at the battery is not protection against much (a little yes, but there is a problem with this)
For those bothered that the charger cables at the battery could short out (which in my opinion is a load of bks anyway because they should be checked often and replaced if degrading in any way), 2 fuses would need to be wired into the charger cables where those cables connect to the battery
By fitting a fuse to each battery charger lead at the battery, both of these leads are now protected, if the positive lead shorted to a negative or the negative lead shorted to a positive, one or both of those fuses would blow and save the possibility of a fire created by a glowing red hot wire before it burning through (fusing)
Now we are getting deeper in the st by fitting fuses at the battery and thinking all is well
I switch on my indoors battery charger for my outdoors car and feck off to bed early because I am on a promise from my sexually frustrated partner and I am feeling frustrated from wiring the feckin fuses. Now I am in a passionate embrace with my partner and the temperature is rising, the excitement is almost too much for me, then there is an almighty explosion from outside the house and my partner leaps up and head-butts me in the feckin nose hence breaking it, feck sex for a game I think to myself
Having exited the house I open the bonnet of my car and find the battery has exploded, there is battery casing and acid all over the feckin place, I am that pissed off that I slam the feckin bonnet shut and as I walk away happen to notice that the bonnet is not of the smooth finish that it had just an hour earlier, the dimple effect created by exploding battery case was not a pleasant sight, "what a st life it can be"
I wish I had wired in fuses with rubber covers or sparkless fuses, battery gas really does go up in flames easily you know
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Right then where's my partner?
If a low voltage extension cable is being used to reach from a car parked outside a property to a battery charger that is positioned inside a garage or house and is to remain like this for a long period of time as in more than a day, the extension lead should be protected with a plastic conduit so that direct sunlight will not be able to deteriorate the insulation of the extension lead.
The extension lead should be positioned above ground level if possible and routed/clipped alongside a support cable similar to a clothes line but high enough not to choke/injure anyone, the other option would be to bury the conduit covered cable underground below flagstones or such-like if possible
OK Now that the cable run is sorted. Where the cable enters the car, be it the boot or under-bonnet area, it is important to loop the cable in such a way that rain-water doesn,t run along the cable directly into the car hence flooding it
As long as the battery charger has short circuit protection and the clips for connecting it to the battery are in good order, no other protection is needed, the user of the charger/extension lead should frequently check their condition.
Funny Fuse Post's time
If the user of the charger/extension lead doesn't want to do a proper job of the set-up, yes this means most of us because we can't be assed to do all that feckin work just to charge a battery.
Fitting a fuse at a battery terminal for any sort of protection is a load of feckin b
ks yet the feckin posters that question me not understanding the feckin bks that they are posting still feckin persistA single fuse at the battery is not protection against much (a little yes, but there is a problem with this)
For those bothered that the charger cables at the battery could short out (which in my opinion is a load of b
ks anyway because they should be checked often and replaced if degrading in any way), 2 fuses would need to be wired into the charger cables where those cables connect to the batteryBy fitting a fuse to each battery charger lead at the battery, both of these leads are now protected, if the positive lead shorted to a negative or the negative lead shorted to a positive, one or both of those fuses would blow and save the possibility of a fire created by a glowing red hot wire before it burning through (fusing)
Now we are getting deeper in the s
t by fitting fuses at the battery and thinking all is wellI switch on my indoors battery charger for my outdoors car and feck off to bed early because I am on a promise from my sexually frustrated partner and I am feeling frustrated from wiring the feckin fuses. Now I am in a passionate embrace with my partner and the temperature is rising, the excitement is almost too much for me, then there is an almighty explosion from outside the house and my partner leaps up and head-butts me in the feckin nose hence breaking it, feck sex for a game I think to myself
Having exited the house I open the bonnet of my car and find the battery has exploded, there is battery casing and acid all over the feckin place, I am that pissed off that I slam the feckin bonnet shut and as I walk away happen to notice that the bonnet is not of the smooth finish that it had just an hour earlier, the dimple effect created by exploding battery case was not a pleasant sight, "what a s
t life it can be"I wish I had wired in fuses with rubber covers or sparkless fuses, battery gas really does go up in flames easily you know
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Right then where's my partner?
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Wednesday 23 November 17:25
GreenV8S said:
It's protecting the battery from being discharged via a short in a damaged cable.
No it isntHilarious post plus the other hilarious post mentioning several hundred amps through a 2.5 mill cable, not to mention the diode saga
You are almost convincing enough for the less knowledgable here to believe this stuff that you keep coming out with
You are a very funny person
Penelope Stopit said:
For those bothered that the charger cables at the battery could short out (which in my opinion is a load of bks anyway because they should be checked often and replaced if degrading in any way), 2 fuses would need to be wired into the charger cables where those cables connect to the battery
By fitting a fuse to each battery charger lead at the battery, both of these leads are now protected, if the positive lead shorted to a negative or the negative lead shorted to a positive, one or both of those fuses would blow and save the possibility of a fire created by a glowing red hot wire before it burning through (fusing)
You assume the cable will never be damaged, which is only a safe assumption if the cable is armored, buried etc which we already know isn't the plan here. Hopefully the cable won't ever be damaged, but if it ever is then the results could be pretty nasty unless the circuit is protected against that. The protection is easy - it only needs a single fuse.ks anyway because they should be checked often and replaced if degrading in any way), 2 fuses would need to be wired into the charger cables where those cables connect to the batteryBy fitting a fuse to each battery charger lead at the battery, both of these leads are now protected, if the positive lead shorted to a negative or the negative lead shorted to a positive, one or both of those fuses would blow and save the possibility of a fire created by a glowing red hot wire before it burning through (fusing)
Penelope Stopit said:
I am now bored to tears with the funnies and piss taking in this topic and will save the above two posters from digging bigger holes for themselves
If a low voltage extension cable is being used to reach from a car parked outside a property to a battery charger that is positioned inside a garage or house and is to remain like this for a long period of time as in more than a day, the extension lead should be protected with a plastic conduit so that direct sunlight will not be able to deteriorate the insulation of the extension lead.
The extension lead should be positioned above ground level if possible and routed/clipped alongside a support cable similar to a clothes line but high enough not to choke/injure anyone, the other option would be to bury the conduit covered cable underground below flagstones or such-like if possible
OK Now that the cable run is sorted. Where the cable enters the car, be it the boot or under-bonnet area, it is important to loop the cable in such a way that rain-water doesn,t run along the cable directly into the car hence flooding it
As long as the battery charger has short circuit protection and the clips for connecting it to the battery are in good order, no other protection is needed, the user of the charger/extension lead should frequently check their condition.
And then once you have done that, you can then complete the job by making sure there is a fuse in the battery end of the charging leads, then you and your pride & joy will be fully protected against any chance of shorting out the battery in any unforseen circumstances. If a low voltage extension cable is being used to reach from a car parked outside a property to a battery charger that is positioned inside a garage or house and is to remain like this for a long period of time as in more than a day, the extension lead should be protected with a plastic conduit so that direct sunlight will not be able to deteriorate the insulation of the extension lead.
The extension lead should be positioned above ground level if possible and routed/clipped alongside a support cable similar to a clothes line but high enough not to choke/injure anyone, the other option would be to bury the conduit covered cable underground below flagstones or such-like if possible
OK Now that the cable run is sorted. Where the cable enters the car, be it the boot or under-bonnet area, it is important to loop the cable in such a way that rain-water doesn,t run along the cable directly into the car hence flooding it
As long as the battery charger has short circuit protection and the clips for connecting it to the battery are in good order, no other protection is needed, the user of the charger/extension lead should frequently check their condition.
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Wednesday 23 November 17:25
I now understand why many of the knowledgeable posters no longer give this section the time of day
On the one hand you have people posting more and more garbage on subjects that they obviously don't know much about.
On the other hand those with the knowledge are pissed off with all this crap and have moved on
The idiots are destroying what could be a good forum and there doesn't seem to be any techy moderators to sort the crap out from the good
Another big problem is that the idiots will continue posting crap and keep attempting to piss people off
The reality of it is that the idiots are causing much damage here and the moderators are unable to grasp whats going on
Personally I don't agree with censoreship or the moderating of forums but as this forum is moderated I also don't agree with the fact that idiots are being given a free reign here and those good contributors seem to be moving away
A sad state of affairs
On the one hand you have people posting more and more garbage on subjects that they obviously don't know much about.
On the other hand those with the knowledge are pissed off with all this crap and have moved on
The idiots are destroying what could be a good forum and there doesn't seem to be any techy moderators to sort the crap out from the good
Another big problem is that the idiots will continue posting crap and keep attempting to piss people off
The reality of it is that the idiots are causing much damage here and the moderators are unable to grasp whats going on
Personally I don't agree with censoreship or the moderating of forums but as this forum is moderated I also don't agree with the fact that idiots are being given a free reign here and those good contributors seem to be moving away
A sad state of affairs
I think the issue here is that the "fuse in the battery lead" is to protect the battery from a short in the charger to battery lead NOT the 240V extention lead, the fuse in the charger will blow at a short in the battery or charge leads but if the wires are shorted in the charge lead the short will still exist IN THE BATTERY after the fuse has blown in the charger and fire could well result (the fuse only disconnects the charger from the battery and does NOT isolate the 2 terminals of the battery from each other).
TBH i'm not a fan of remote charging, i like to be there if at all possable, for an overnight charge in my yard i place the battery in a large steel box with a fuse in the charge leads between the battery terminals and the charger lead, i just use a euro fuse, with a 2 inch lead from the terminal to it, spade connector straight to the fuse blade and the same from the fuse to the charge lead croc clip, also my crock clips are insulated (i dont have a Ctek to use all the time) and the bottom of the metal box is lined with a rubber mat (more for insulation than short curcuit protetion as the box sits on the floor and the cold will imhibit the batterys ability to take a propper charge.
If anyone doesn't think a battery shorted out can cause a fire in the cables attached to it, try it, get a battery, get some cable, thin stuff will do and see how hot it gets when you connect one end to the pos and one end to the neg, OK it will be mostly smoke but the heat it can give off can ignite nearby componants in an engine bay, hense why i use a large steel box, you can use a 12V battery to spot weld! with thick enough ccabling you can spotweld thin metal, i use an old diesel van battery to spot weld repairs to many items from gas fires (bits of them not the gas part) to battery bus bars for project battery packs (18650s)
I also use an old large battery to power my 12V drill with out a battery pack, somone pinched it and the charger while it was on charge lol 2 flyleads onto the terminals in the drill and some croc clips on tother ends and it's perfectly usable once again, i allways have 3 or 4 large batterys about the yard cos they are dam usefull if your a tight bodging git like myself
TBH i'm not a fan of remote charging, i like to be there if at all possable, for an overnight charge in my yard i place the battery in a large steel box with a fuse in the charge leads between the battery terminals and the charger lead, i just use a euro fuse, with a 2 inch lead from the terminal to it, spade connector straight to the fuse blade and the same from the fuse to the charge lead croc clip, also my crock clips are insulated (i dont have a Ctek to use all the time) and the bottom of the metal box is lined with a rubber mat (more for insulation than short curcuit protetion as the box sits on the floor and the cold will imhibit the batterys ability to take a propper charge.
If anyone doesn't think a battery shorted out can cause a fire in the cables attached to it, try it, get a battery, get some cable, thin stuff will do and see how hot it gets when you connect one end to the pos and one end to the neg, OK it will be mostly smoke but the heat it can give off can ignite nearby componants in an engine bay, hense why i use a large steel box, you can use a 12V battery to spot weld! with thick enough ccabling you can spotweld thin metal, i use an old diesel van battery to spot weld repairs to many items from gas fires (bits of them not the gas part) to battery bus bars for project battery packs (18650s)
I also use an old large battery to power my 12V drill with out a battery pack, somone pinched it and the charger while it was on charge lol 2 flyleads onto the terminals in the drill and some croc clips on tother ends and it's perfectly usable once again, i allways have 3 or 4 large batterys about the yard cos they are dam usefull if your a tight bodging git like myself
Edited by S0 What on Thursday 24th November 23:00
E-bmw said:
Well done SW, clearly you understand the laws of physics and why it is not a good idea to have a full short circuit across a high powered battery!
Obviously some (one) don't (doesn't) maybe he will do us all a favour & do what he suggests.
All you are doing here is acting like an idiotObviously some (one) don't (doesn't) maybe he will do us all a favour & do what he suggests.
If you had read my long explanation above, you would not be posting this rubbish here unless you are out for me as I have corrected the error in your postings
In my big above post I have mentioned that if fuses are fitted at the battery charger leads where they are connected to the battery, those fuses need to be in rubber covers or sealed fuses should be used so that if a fuse does blow, the gas given off by the battery will not explode due to a spark from a blowing fuse
Do remember that before any short circuit blows a fuse there will still be a spark from that short circuit and the gases will very likely explode
Not once did you mention fitting a positive and negative fuse (2 fuses)
You mentioned fitting one fuse and I have pointed out that to fuse the charger leads at the battery correctly, 2 fuses need to be wired
Not once have you even considered or advised about the possibility of a battery exploding from a fuse spark as it blows or a spark from the leads shorting before blowing a fuse
Not once have you mentioned about using sparkless fuses or fitting fuses in covers to stop blowing fuses igniting battery gases
The fact that I think that fitting fuses to the battery leads of a charger that has short circuit protection is unnecessary as long as the leads are frequently checked, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO ACHIEVE HERE
There is nothing wrong with a difference of opinions
You continually post here about my lack of understanding yet you know nothing about me and none of my posts show signs of me having a lack of understanding with such a basic subject of discussion.
If you have a problem with me stating that 2 fuses and not 1 should be used if a person is really concerned about the cables of a charger being damaged and short circuiting and that those fuses should be sparkless, also that the spark from the shorting cables will very likely ignite the battery gasses anyway, then there is something wrong about you persisting in posting that I don't understand such basic electrical circuits
I am now of the impression that you are posting in an attempt to bother me, I am also of the impression that you are not even interested in my comments regarding using 2 sparkless fuses if needs must. I AM OF THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WILL PERSIST IN POSTING THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING SO BASIC WHEN THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT YOU DONT WANT TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE BUT DO WANT TO TRY AND BOTHER ME
You dont bother me
You are a fine example of what is wrong with the technical side of this forum and the likes of you have driven some very good knowledgeable posters away
There are too many posters like yourself to this side of the forum that hand out abuse or attempt to bother others that do understand what they are posting and do understand their reasoning for different situations
NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY OPINION OF YOU. YOU PERSIST IN POSTING THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND, I DO UNDERSTAND
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Friday 25th November 17:29
I don't see the fuse igniting gasses as a significant issue. We're talking about a setup used for trickle charging, not fast charging, so I wouldn't expect any significant amount of electrolysis. The vehicle is outside so should be well ventilated as well. If you are convinced it's an issue then by all means use an enclosed fuse - they're readily available.
I don't understand what problem your proposed second fuse is trying to address. It only needs a single fuse to deal with the risk of shorts within the cable, which is the problem I'm proposing the fuse to address. In what scenario is your second fuse needed?
I don't understand what problem your proposed second fuse is trying to address. It only needs a single fuse to deal with the risk of shorts within the cable, which is the problem I'm proposing the fuse to address. In what scenario is your second fuse needed?
GreenV8S said:
I don't see the fuse igniting gasses as a significant issue. We're talking about a setup used for trickle charging, not fast charging, so I wouldn't expect any significant amount of electrolysis. The vehicle is outside so should be well ventilated as well. If you are convinced it's an issue then by all means use an enclosed fuse - they're readily available.
I don't understand what problem your proposed second fuse is trying to address. It only needs a single fuse to deal with the risk of shorts within the cable, which is the problem I'm proposing the fuse to address. In what scenario is your second fuse needed?
Considering it is you that is getting this all wrong and as you persist in questioning my observations with different scenarios, I really shouldn't be giving you my time of day. You're just the same as another poster to this topic and have got to be attempting to bother me yet don't realise that I am not bothered by those that post so much nonesense, I think posters that don't have much knowledge on a subject yet have the balls to give bad advice are very funnyI don't understand what problem your proposed second fuse is trying to address. It only needs a single fuse to deal with the risk of shorts within the cable, which is the problem I'm proposing the fuse to address. In what scenario is your second fuse needed?
I find you very funny and in no way am I being nasty here, I only post giving advice when I have the knowledge to share and perhaps point someone in the right direction. Going by some of your posts, it would not surprise me if you back-tracked on them and posted it was all done for a laugh or you even edit your posts
Now although you persist in questioning my opinion on this subject, you also persist in avoiding commenting on my remarks to some of your very funny posts here
I am asking you to please explain the following comments that you have previously posted yet never commented on my questioning them
How am I or anyone else for that matter supposed to take you seriously when you post the following. Please explain your previous comments that I have posted below
The battery will also see the short and will happily dump several hundred amps down the cable
There is no way a battery will dump several hundred amps down a 2.5mill cablePlease explain how this can happen
If you can cope with simple electronics, an alternative to a fuse at the battery end of the cable would be a diode.
This is absolute garbage, you class using a diode as simple electronics do you, I class it as wiring in a diode. You post as if someone needs knowledge of simple electronics to connect a diode in a circuit, I class knowledge needed for wiring in a diode as knowing how to terminate wires
Now about this diode that you suggested wiring in-line with the charger instead of a fuse. Please explain why use a diode when fuses are used for this protection method
A diode should not be wired into a circuit that can be protected with a fuse
I doubt you have even considered the following. A diodes resistance will change with the change in current draw of a battery on charge, when the resistance of that diode changes, the battery sensing side of the charger is going to be confused and the correct charge rate will not be functioning as it should
Please explain what you know about battery sensing and how a diode in series with a charging circuit will allow the charger to function correctly and what happens when that diodes properties begin to fail
I doubt you will post an honest reply to the above
You have questioned me as to why fit 2 fuses in the charging leads at the battery yet have failed to mention that you appreciate my opinion of fuses at the battery leads being an unnecessary evil as long as the leads are checked at regular intervals and the battery charger has short circuit protection
You are a very ignorant and ill mannered person in attempting to question me on something that I am opposed to, but I still find you funny
In answer to you and anyone else fusing charger leads at a battery when they are an unnecessary evil.
It is you that advised to wire in 1 fuse at the battery and it is you that explained nothing else about the subject
Although the correct procedure when charging a battery is to disconnect the earth lead from that battery, a case could easily arise that the vehicle being charged would end up with a radio not working due to the owner not having the security code or an ECU needing a dealer re-set procedure or something else, these are used as examples. There is also the scenario that a particular battery is very difficult to gain access to or the vehicle in question only has a clock or such as drawing continuous current and the owner does not wish to disconnect the battery, again these are used as examples
There you have it, although a battery should be disconnected by the earth lead or when the vehicle is of insulated return by the return lead, this is not always possible and the battery could be left connected whilst charging
When a battery is left connected during charging and the user wishes to fuse the charger leads at the battery, both positive and negative leads should be fused so it is of no significance as to what polarity shorts to the opposite polarity, TWO FUSES USED TO PROTECT BATTERY CHARGER LEADS will work for a short circuit along those leads no matter what the scenario and will be of great significance depending on what polarity the earth of the vehicle is
Not once did you even mention what polarity lead was to be fused and yet you have the balls to question my knowledge when I mention fusing both leads if fuses must be fitted
You are a complete and utter wind up merchant and your ignorance is laughable, posters of your type are destroying this part of the forum
I await your answers to the above
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Friday 25th November 20:47
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Friday 25th November 21:18
Penelope Stopit said:
All you are doing here is acting like an idiot
1. If you had read my long explanation above, you would not be posting this rubbish here unless you are out for me as I have corrected the error in your postings
2. In my big above post I have mentioned that if fuses are fitted at the battery charger leads where they are connected to the battery, those fuses need to be in rubber covers or sealed fuses should be used so that if a fuse does blow, the gas given off by the battery will not explode due to a spark from a blowing fuse
Do remember that before any short circuit blows a fuse there will still be a spark from that short circuit and the gases will very likely explode
3. Not once did you mention fitting a positive and negative fuse (2 fuses)
You mentioned fitting one fuse and I have pointed out that to fuse the charger leads at the battery correctly, 2 fuses need to be wired
Not once have you even considered or advised about the possibility of a battery exploding from a fuse spark as it blows or a spark from the leads shorting before blowing a fuse
Not once have you mentioned about using sparkless fuses or fitting fuses in covers to stop blowing fuses igniting battery gases
4. The fact that I think that fitting fuses to the battery leads of a charger that has short circuit protection is unnecessary as long as the leads are frequently checked, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO ACHIEVE HERE
5. There is nothing wrong with a difference of opinions
You continually post here about my lack of understanding yet you know nothing about me and none of my posts show signs of me having a lack of understanding with such a basic subject of discussion.
If you have a problem with me stating that 2 fuses and not 1 should be used if a person is really concerned about the cables of a charger being damaged and short circuiting and that those fuses should be sparkless, also that the spark from the shorting cables will very likely ignite the battery gasses anyway, then there is something wrong about you persisting in posting that I don't understand such basic electrical circuits
6. [b]I am now of the impression that you are posting in an attempt to bother me, I am also of the impression that you are not even interested in my comments regarding using 2 sparkless fuses if needs must.
7. I AM OF THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WILL PERSIST IN POSTING THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING SO BASIC WHEN THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT YOU DONT WANT TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE BUT DO WANT TO TRY AND BOTHER ME[/b]
8. You dont bother me
You are a fine example of what is wrong with the technical side of this forum and the likes of you have driven some very good knowledgeable posters away
9 There are too many posters like yourself to this side of the forum that hand out abuse or attempt to bother others that do understand what they are posting and do understand their reasoning for different situations
10. NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY OPINION OF YOU. YOU PERSIST IN POSTING THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND, I DO UNDERSTAND
Ok, here goes again, once again I will try to educate some pork!1. If you had read my long explanation above, you would not be posting this rubbish here unless you are out for me as I have corrected the error in your postings
2. In my big above post I have mentioned that if fuses are fitted at the battery charger leads where they are connected to the battery, those fuses need to be in rubber covers or sealed fuses should be used so that if a fuse does blow, the gas given off by the battery will not explode due to a spark from a blowing fuse
Do remember that before any short circuit blows a fuse there will still be a spark from that short circuit and the gases will very likely explode
3. Not once did you mention fitting a positive and negative fuse (2 fuses)
You mentioned fitting one fuse and I have pointed out that to fuse the charger leads at the battery correctly, 2 fuses need to be wired
Not once have you even considered or advised about the possibility of a battery exploding from a fuse spark as it blows or a spark from the leads shorting before blowing a fuse
Not once have you mentioned about using sparkless fuses or fitting fuses in covers to stop blowing fuses igniting battery gases
4. The fact that I think that fitting fuses to the battery leads of a charger that has short circuit protection is unnecessary as long as the leads are frequently checked, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO ACHIEVE HERE
5. There is nothing wrong with a difference of opinions
You continually post here about my lack of understanding yet you know nothing about me and none of my posts show signs of me having a lack of understanding with such a basic subject of discussion.
If you have a problem with me stating that 2 fuses and not 1 should be used if a person is really concerned about the cables of a charger being damaged and short circuiting and that those fuses should be sparkless, also that the spark from the shorting cables will very likely ignite the battery gasses anyway, then there is something wrong about you persisting in posting that I don't understand such basic electrical circuits
6. [b]I am now of the impression that you are posting in an attempt to bother me, I am also of the impression that you are not even interested in my comments regarding using 2 sparkless fuses if needs must.
7. I AM OF THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WILL PERSIST IN POSTING THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING SO BASIC WHEN THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT YOU DONT WANT TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE BUT DO WANT TO TRY AND BOTHER ME[/b]
8. You dont bother me
You are a fine example of what is wrong with the technical side of this forum and the likes of you have driven some very good knowledgeable posters away
9 There are too many posters like yourself to this side of the forum that hand out abuse or attempt to bother others that do understand what they are posting and do understand their reasoning for different situations
10. NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY OPINION OF YOU. YOU PERSIST IN POSTING THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND, I DO UNDERSTAND
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Friday 25th November 17:29
I have numbered your points above so you know what bits to read when!
1. "Unless you are out for me" you say. Jeez, you have a high opinion of yourself, don't you? But then, I had already guessed that!
2. OBVIOUSLY THE FUSES WOULD HAVE TO BE COVERED! That is so obvious that I never even thought to mention it! They would need to be covered to protect from possible short circuit to metal etc anyway!
3. I used the wording "the fuse would be to protect the battery from a short in the cable" So 1 cable, 1 fuse....... 2 cables, 2 fuses! DER!
EVEN you seemed to understand this when you posted "Now we are getting deeper in the st by fitting fuses at the battery and thinking all is well"
4. Yes, the charger has short circuit protection, and what the fuses in the leads at the charger end also do is protect the battery from having a short placed directly across the battery! You know leads, the ones that are run from the garage, run along the side of the house, then to the car in the open, you know the ones, the ones that could get stood on accidentally & dislodged/damaged, the ones that run in through the boot lid & could get caught damaged & short out, the ones that some low-life could try to gain access to the car & in the process damage and short out!
OK as long as the leads are checked regularly..... I am not saying any of the above will happen but IF, just if it does then the battery is protected.
5. There is indeed nothing wrong with different opinions (perhaps you should have read that bit before writing your opening line above?
6. Back to that high opinion again....... Er.... No!
7. I am posting saying that you clearly don't understand for the reasons indicated below (copied & pasted from your earlier posts and those ATTEMPTING to explain things to you) and because there are many times when you have been told that the fuses would protect the battery from having a short circuit placed across the terminals & equally as many times you have said the fuses wouldn't protect the battery........Oh, and now you post that they will protect against short circuit...... Has a penny dropped somewhere?
PositronicRay said:
Penelope Stopit said:
I doubt you will need a fuse in the cable as the unit will have built in protection
Just in case the cable gets snagged or rodent damage. GreenV8S said:
Penelope Stopit said:
I doubt you will need a fuse in the cable as the unit will have built in protection
Unit will be at the house end - the fuse would be to protect the battery from a short in the cable.Fuses are used to protect circuits connected to batteries"
Penelope Stopit said:
GreenV8S said:
Penelope Stopit said:
I doubt you will need a fuse in the cable as the unit will have built in protection
Unit will be at the house end - the fuse would be to protect the battery from a short in the cable.Since when will a fuse protect a battery?
Penelope Stopit said:
Of course I don't understand what you are on about
Funnier again this one
Are you taking the piss here or are you serious?
How can a fuse protect a battery?
What is the fuse protecting the battery from?
I know what a fuse will and wont protect when fitted close to the battery, not once have you mentioned what battery protection is in place, what is being protected from what. If you had posted what is being protected from what with a fuse and at what exact point in the circuit is that fuse being wired, at least I and others would understand what you mean whether right or wrong
So now you are re-writing the workings of electricity heyFunnier again this one
Are you taking the piss here or are you serious?
How can a fuse protect a battery?
What is the fuse protecting the battery from?
I know what a fuse will and wont protect when fitted close to the battery, not once have you mentioned what battery protection is in place, what is being protected from what. If you had posted what is being protected from what with a fuse and at what exact point in the circuit is that fuse being wired, at least I and others would understand what you mean whether right or wrong
A battery will dump several hundred amps down a 2.5 mill cable will it?
GreenV8S said:
Penelope Stopit said:
Of course I don't understand what you are on about
That much is clear, although I don't see why you find it so difficult to understand since it's a simple situation which has been described clearly several times in this thread.Penelope Stopit said:
How can a fuse protect a battery?
What is the fuse protecting the battery from?
It's protecting the battery from being discharged via a short in a damaged cable. What is the fuse protecting the battery from?
9. Handing out abuse.... I think you will find that you said the following in your previous posts.
"My feckin head hurts and my lungs are aching from laughter
Please give me a break and stop posting the comedy scripts"
"Feck. This is an absolute classic post and better by far than your other funny post"
"This is so feckin funny and I can't thank you enough for the laughs you have given me Stick to a fuse if needed hey, what a feckin great laugh"
"Are you taking the piss here or are you serious?"
"Fitting a fuse at a battery terminal for any sort of protection is a load of feckin bks yet the feckin posters that question me not understanding the feckin bks that they are posting still feckin persist"
"On the one hand you have people posting more and more garbage on subjects that they obviously don't know much about.
On the other hand those with the knowledge are pissed off with all this crap and have moved on
The idiots are destroying what could be a good forum and there doesn't seem to be any techy moderators to sort the crap out from the good
Another big problem is that the idiots will continue posting crap and keep attempting to piss people off
The reality of it is that the idiots are causing much damage here and the moderators are unable to grasp whats going on"
IF THOSE AREN'T ABUSIVE AND INFLAMATORY STATEMENTS, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT ARE?
10. I can see that now you seem to as EVEN you now advocate fusing the leads. Thank heavens for that!
E-bmw
Your above post verifies what a CENSORED*********************************CENSORED you are
Thank you very much for posting the above, you probably don't even know what you have shown yourself to be in your above post and this is very funny yet also a sad state of affairs
This forum needs 3 technical sections, 1 For the posters that are of much knowledge, 1 For the posters that think they have much knowledge and 1 for you alone
Your above post verifies what a CENSORED*********************************CENSORED you are
Thank you very much for posting the above, you probably don't even know what you have shown yourself to be in your above post and this is very funny yet also a sad state of affairs
This forum needs 3 technical sections, 1 For the posters that are of much knowledge, 1 For the posters that think they have much knowledge and 1 for you alone
Penelope Stopit said:
E-bmw
Your above post verifies what a CENSORED*********************************CENSORED you are
Thank you very much for posting the above, you probably don't even know what you have shown yourself to be in your above post and this is very funny yet also a sad state of affairs
This forum needs 3 technical sections, 1 For the posters that are of much knowledge, 1 For the posters that think they have much knowledge and 1 for you alone
I rest my case.Your above post verifies what a CENSORED*********************************CENSORED you are
Thank you very much for posting the above, you probably don't even know what you have shown yourself to be in your above post and this is very funny yet also a sad state of affairs
This forum needs 3 technical sections, 1 For the posters that are of much knowledge, 1 For the posters that think they have much knowledge and 1 for you alone
stuartmmcfc said:
Are there normally petty arguments in this forum?
Makes a change from The lounge or N,P&E.
There is nothing petty about it. There are too many idiots posting here and then back-tracking or posting complete and utter bMakes a change from The lounge or N,P&E.
ks in the hope that they will piss someone off big timeFortunately, in my case although the idiots with little knowledge but much Keyboard power do piss me off,they also give me a good laugh and eventually expose themselves and show what little knowledge they have, which is obviously a good thing for the future of the forum
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Saturday 26th November 09:29
AMG Merc said:
Guys, time out please. Suggest you take your discussion off furum so we can get back on topic
Should be OK now, the idiot has shown what an idiot he/she is in his/her above drivelI doubt the other idiot will return and explain his/her idiotic suggestions as by now he/she will have realised the error in his/her ways
The only problem left here now is the fact that no one knows to what lengths an idiot will go in attempting to make idiotic suggestions come across as the correct methods to be used
I can't control what the idiots will post here and that can only be done by a Moderator with much good technical knowledge
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Saturday 26th November 09:39
AMG Merc said:
Guys, time out please. Suggest you take your discussion off furum so we can get back on topic
You do realise that these postings are on topicThe discussion that has turned into a comedy sketch due to some idiotic and piss taking postings is about protecting or not protecting a battery chargers cables where they connect to the battery
Should idiots come out with strange methods of carrying out some work or not explain in detail their methods so that there is no confusion in how to do a job the correct way, those idiots really do need to take a step back and think before posting
You will notice that the 2 idiots in question here have typed much in telling me that I dont understand the basic principles of electricity, yet those 2 same idiots have typed next to nothing in explaining how to go about a simple task the correct way, also these 2 idiots are incorrect with the information and are lacking information they have given here
This is an idiot problem, not me being a problem
Since when has it been acceptable that an idiot can post idiotic methods yet a knowledgeable person can't challenge those methods posted, surely this is what is so good about internet forums, idiots can be wisened over the errors in their ways although it does take time
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Saturday 26th November 09:55
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Saturday 26th November 10:10
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