If you could choose

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lanan

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814 posts

229 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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Which tractor unit would you go for.
Criteria
You are paying the running costs, average annual mileage 20k
Must be over 2 years old
4 x 2
At least 420bhp
Must be kept min 5 years
Value for money

Links to vehicles for sale would be handy smile

lanan

Original Poster:

814 posts

229 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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Mainly UK, occasional Euro run.

The R500 does look good......POA get's on my tits....Is the price a secret then ?

I was told not to buy pre 2008 MAN ( oil pump problem ) or any Renault pre 2012 ( Cos it's still mainly a Renault )....!!
Thoughts ?

ZX10R NIN

27,703 posts

126 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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I agree on the Man front the Renaults are okay but yea I'd take a look at the Scania the POA stuff seems to be everywhere at the moment.

AF1

309 posts

203 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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Scania V8 all day long for me, well proven and reliable and although the purchase price will be higher, it'll still be worth something 5 years down the line.

bigfatnick

1,012 posts

203 months

Sunday 3rd January 2016
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lanan said:
The R500 does look good......POA get's on my tits....Is the price a secret then ?
If you organise them by price order they are in the correct order despite being labeled as poa. I think on the for sale form you must have to put a price in then tick the poa box, every now and then you will get lorry with the actual price on it and you can get a ballpark figure between that and the next one with a price on. That said, you do get a load of them at either end, i guess those people must price them as £999999 or £1. So not much use.

err, not that i've been looking, or thinking about doing my o licence, ahem.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

161 months

Monday 4th January 2016
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lanan said:
Which tractor unit would you go for.
Criteria
You are paying the running costs, average annual mileage 20k
Must be over 2 years old
4 x 2
At least 420bhp
Must be kept min 5 years
Value for money

Links to vehicles for sale would be handy smile
Volvo or a Daf
I would avoid MAN !!! , merc or scania also good , depending on service avaibilty in your area....

powerstroke

10,283 posts

161 months

Monday 4th January 2016
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ZX10R NIN said:
I agree on the Man front the Renaults are okay but yea I'd take a look at the Scania the POA stuff seems to be everywhere at the moment.
POA means a rogue is going to be at the end of the phone to try and talk you into something over priced or an expensive finance deal .....


Edited by powerstroke on Monday 4th January 08:31

All that jazz

7,632 posts

147 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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lanan said:
Which tractor unit would you go for.
Criteria
You are paying the running costs, average annual mileage 20k
Must be over 2 years old
4 x 2
At least 420bhp
Must be kept min 5 years
Value for money

Links to vehicles for sale would be handy smile
What are you using it for? What sort of work? Do you need to do London (LEZ and Euro emissions category need to be considered if so)? 20k a year is fk all so you must be only tootling about locally. Are you wanting cheapest/reliable-est or other criteria?

If the latter then you won't go wrong with a Merc Axor 4x2 (or Antos or whatever they call them these days). Get the 1843 model (make sure it's the 43 not the 46 as the 460 can't pull the skin off a rice pudding whereas the smaller capacity 430 goes like fk and feels a lot more powerful than it is). Look for one with the manual slap across 8 speed box for simplicity and further cost savings. Even with only 8 cogs they pull well and lug right down at full weight, rarely will you need 7th on the motorway. They're very basic but they're excellent work horses and bulletproof reliability. I had one for 4 years on a job and never had a single issue other than mine liking to blow headlight bulbs a lot for some reason.

Another good choice would be the previous gen Renault Premium with either the 450 and 460 DCi engine. Both are simply a Renault shaped cab sat on Volvo running gear and the auto box in them is arguably better than the I-shift in the Volvo's. It's noticably smoother and faster to change - makes for very relaxed driving. They're comfy and well damped too. The only thing that really lets them down is the poor dash layout - stalks on top of stalks on top of more stalks - all that go up, down, forward, backwards, twist, turn irked; it's hard work trying to remember which one to use but you do get used to them after a while.

If it were my money and I had to foot the bill for any repairs then 100% it would be a Merc Axor tractor unit or a 2nd gen Renault Premium. Scania and Volvo suffer the marque tax, DAF reliability went south a decade ago with head issues, MAN are great on lease but money pits afterwards, Iveco much the same and don't age well but they were never great to begin with.

lanan

Original Poster:

814 posts

229 months

Thursday 7th January 2016
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Some great advice chaps.

Thank you

All that jazz

7,632 posts

147 months

Thursday 7th January 2016
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confused

martin mrt

3,777 posts

202 months

Thursday 7th January 2016
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If it were my money, it would be spent on a V8 Scania.

Initial outlay would be far more significant than anything else, I'd even buy an older Scania over a newer model of any other marque and be confident that it will hold more money than anything else come resale time.


ZX10R NIN

27,703 posts

126 months

Friday 8th January 2016
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+1 to the above.

ChemicalChaos

10,413 posts

161 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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Not sure on the exact BHP, but hows about this beaut?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252243157003?ul_noapp=tr...

All that jazz

7,632 posts

147 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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ChemicalChaos said:
Not sure on the exact BHP, but hows about this beaut?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252243157003?ul_noapp=tr...
Not sure if serious! rofl

325hp laugh

ChemicalChaos

10,413 posts

161 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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Oh, so the 325 model number denotes the power output? I see...

Not all of us are truck anoraks you know.... (I only posted that as a truck anorak friend linked it on Facebook )

s p a c e m a n

10,796 posts

149 months

Friday 15th January 2016
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I can't even imagine trying to do a days work in that. Truckers used to be hard as nails, I get the hump now if I get something without a DAB radio or an auto box hehe

truck71

2,328 posts

173 months

Friday 15th January 2016
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s p a c e m a n said:
I can't even imagine trying to do a days work in that. Truckers used to be hard as nails, I get the hump now if I get something without a DAB radio or an auto box hehe
I used to regularly drive the previous model to that with an eight speed crash box on a sort of half moon gate. The 14 litre cat engine was rated at 350bhp which back in the mid nineties was pretty good. Very slow revving engine that didn't require too many gear changes once moving. Horrible thing to live in all week, the fibreglass cab was drafty and the seat would keep your back aching constantly.
Brakes on old trucks were frightening..