Citroen Saxo VTR/VTS
Discussion
VTR feels like the breathing is horribly strangled... I suspect that it'd actually be easily as quick as the VTS if induction / head was sorted.
Much cheaper to insure as well - I bought one for the girlfriend a while back and it was free insurance. The VTS, IIRC, is 4 groups higher?
Entertaining handling, not quite as lairy as the old 205 GTis (the reason why I tried one in the first place) but still OK. Cheap plastic interior, the steering wheel is disgusting. Fun though to throw around.
Unfortunately they're pretty badly tainted with the 'chav' label esp. in the south east. This may have affected insurance costs since I had one (3-4 years ago)
Much cheaper to insure as well - I bought one for the girlfriend a while back and it was free insurance. The VTS, IIRC, is 4 groups higher?
Entertaining handling, not quite as lairy as the old 205 GTis (the reason why I tried one in the first place) but still OK. Cheap plastic interior, the steering wheel is disgusting. Fun though to throw around.
Unfortunately they're pretty badly tainted with the 'chav' label esp. in the south east. This may have affected insurance costs since I had one (3-4 years ago)
Reading my post again it does seem to imply a difference between the species, oh well.
I can't see all the fuss about dropping an Mi16 engine in a 106, it's only about 160bhp from what I remember, hardly gonna set the world on fire is it? and 800kg is a bit on the bloated side if we're talking power to weight, half that and it'd be interesting.
I can't see all the fuss about dropping an Mi16 engine in a 106, it's only about 160bhp from what I remember, hardly gonna set the world on fire is it? and 800kg is a bit on the bloated side if we're talking power to weight, half that and it'd be interesting.
Steve_Evil said:
Reading my post again it does seem to imply a difference between the species, oh well.
I can't see all the fuss about dropping an Mi16 engine in a 106, it's only about 160bhp from what I remember, hardly gonna set the world on fire is it? and 800kg is a bit on the bloated side if we're talking power to weight, half that and it'd be interesting.
The Mi16 engine (original ally one) was a great engine, I think it was only put in production cars to fulfil homologation requirements. It has big ports and massive valves *as standard* and only requires TBs or twin 45s to get around 200 bhp. It also is good for 8500 rpm.
I had one with twin webers in my 205 special, it was a bit of a beast even though it was nowhere near its full potential.
If it fits properly in the 106 then it'd be enormous fun, though it required the engine to be tilted back in the 205 so I'm not sure how easy a 106 transplant will actually be...
I had a VTR for a few years. Cheap but fun overall.
VTS has a shorter ratio gearbox to take advantage of the higher redline. This makes it a fair bit faster (along with the 20-30 extra bhp) but makes it quite buzzy at motorways speeds. Also insurance is way more.
Second hand values were similar on both when I traded in a year or two ago due to the extra insurance cost of the VTS putting off most of the potential buyers (young lads).
VTS has a shorter ratio gearbox to take advantage of the higher redline. This makes it a fair bit faster (along with the 20-30 extra bhp) but makes it quite buzzy at motorways speeds. Also insurance is way more.
Second hand values were similar on both when I traded in a year or two ago due to the extra insurance cost of the VTS putting off most of the potential buyers (young lads).
Don't worry about the pedals, i have size 10 feet and as long as i don't wear big boots its not a problem.
The running costs for me so far have been ridiculous.
First set of tyres lasted till 33000 miles
Original front pads only now need replaced after 38000 miles
Service interval is 12500 (or every 7 months for me)
Nothing broken except windscreen £50 xs on ins.
the bb cap image is unfortunate, just take joy in leaving it standard in terms of wheels'n'springs and then making numpties out of the guys with 17" anchor weights and belly scrape ride when it comes to twisties and roundabouts (and speedbumps).
Up for sale in September if anyone wants
Getting something even smaller and lighter
The running costs for me so far have been ridiculous.
First set of tyres lasted till 33000 miles
Original front pads only now need replaced after 38000 miles
Service interval is 12500 (or every 7 months for me)
Nothing broken except windscreen £50 xs on ins.
the bb cap image is unfortunate, just take joy in leaving it standard in terms of wheels'n'springs and then making numpties out of the guys with 17" anchor weights and belly scrape ride when it comes to twisties and roundabouts (and speedbumps).
Up for sale in September if anyone wants
Getting something even smaller and lighter
That looks ok, but still not that extreme. I was thinking more about really silly power to weight ratios. Things like - cossie turbo with 4x4 in a fiesta, or a VR6 supercharged in a mk1 golf with golf rallye 4x4 transmission, or maybe a 106 rally on subaru running gear. Any other mad ideas for the future?
4WD said:
That looks ok, but still not that extreme. I was thinking more about really silly power to weight ratios. Things like - cossie turbo with 4x4 in a fiesta, or a VR6 supercharged in a mk1 golf with golf rallye 4x4 transmission, or maybe a 106 rally on subaru running gear. Any other mad ideas for the future?
My current project is a Ford Ka with a to-be-decided engine transplant. Unfortunately it won't be anywhere near turbo-nutter power-to-weight, but I'm concentrating more on handling, so I don't have to slow down anywhere and still enjoy driving without licence-killing speeds!
Racing Puma engine transplant looks like best bet for now.
As to more extreme things for you, the Twini concept makes a lot of sense... Love machine posted about this in Engines & Drivetrain. Dubsport did a Golf with two turbocharged VR6 motors, total around 800 bhp in a stripped mk3 shell.
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