Fuel strike imminent -
Discussion
DanH said:
Panic not, they should have nice empty roads to get to the venue onLast time it just cut unnecessary journeys, hardly brought the country to a standstill.
No it did not. Last time is fecking crippled the economy. It also brought my business to an absolute standstill. I could not visit customers and running projects without visits was a nightmare...and in fact we lost business and money.
So I'm afraid whilst I totally support beating the crap out the Government over petrol prices...I really hope we don't actually run out of petrol this time...
I was caught, the last time, with two cars both with empty fuel tanks. I was lucky to get home...
Chap from the milk farmers association (I forget his name but seems a nice passionate about his subject chap) was on the radio this morning saying something should be done.
It bloody should too.
A 10p rise would completely absorbable if we werent paying so much damned tax.
£1 a litre is simply extracting the urine.
It bloody should too.
A 10p rise would completely absorbable if we werent paying so much damned tax.
£1 a litre is simply extracting the urine.
Don,
I feel for you I really do and I can totally understand why this makes you a little uneasy and like you say "we do need to beat the gov down". It appears they dont see it from our view which is people who use cars for business can afford the ever rising fuels costs and on the flip side cant afford another strike. So why dont they just agree to pull it down to around the mid 70's or ,lower and make everyone happy.
If they had to pay fuel for there cars that they get driven around in I'm almost certain the cost of fuel would be lower.
I feel for you I really do and I can totally understand why this makes you a little uneasy and like you say "we do need to beat the gov down". It appears they dont see it from our view which is people who use cars for business can afford the ever rising fuels costs and on the flip side cant afford another strike. So why dont they just agree to pull it down to around the mid 70's or ,lower and make everyone happy.
If they had to pay fuel for there cars that they get driven around in I'm almost certain the cost of fuel would be lower.
markpetrie said:Because they can't afford to lose the tax!
So why dont they just agree to pull it down to around the mid 70's or ,lower and make everyone happy.
Labour have employed 88,000 people recently in to the NHS. Of which 4,000 are frontline medical staff.
Now extrapolate this wastage into every other public sector and you've got a lot of wastage, which the nasty motorist must pay for
Fundamental issue is that the car driver is paying a non proportional amount of tax.
They get £36bn from fuel tax, why not be completely honest about it and stick a percentage on income tax that would raise that sum and then everyone pays equally.
I am honestly sick to death of indirect taxation.
Take it all at source and then let me spend my money freely on what I want.
Fuel tax adds cost to EVERYTHING you buy, on that basis alone is completely unjust.
They get £36bn from fuel tax, why not be completely honest about it and stick a percentage on income tax that would raise that sum and then everyone pays equally.
I am honestly sick to death of indirect taxation.
Take it all at source and then let me spend my money freely on what I want.
Fuel tax adds cost to EVERYTHING you buy, on that basis alone is completely unjust.
Less of the nasty motorist. It about time this country got its affairs in order and solved these problems instead of putting pressure on other areas and creating another problem in its place.
Everyone vote for the monster raving loony party lets see what happens then.
Or atleast vote someone in who knows what its like at the bottom livin by the gov's rules
Everyone vote for the monster raving loony party lets see what happens then.
Or atleast vote someone in who knows what its like at the bottom livin by the gov's rules
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3768805.stm
Howard may support fuel protests
Mr Howard backed lawful protest
Tory leader Michael Howard has said he may well support a new wave of fuel protests provided they are lawful. He was speaking as oil prices continue to rise and against the background of a 2p hike in fuel duty due in September.
Asked if the Conservatives would back new protests he said: "I think that as long as they are peaceful and within the law they may well be supported."
In September 2000 a wave of fuel protests all but brought Britain to a halt amid concern over prices.
Mr Howard's comments came as Andrew Spence from the People's Fuel Lobby says he is planning go-slow protests in the North East in response to the increase in the price of petrol.
He says they will take place next Wednesday in the Newcastle area and says similar protests could take place in other parts of the north.
Oil prices have risen by about 25% since the end of last year due to a combination of soaring demand in the US and China, supply bottlenecks at US refineries, and fears that the Iraqi conflict could disrupt supplies.
However, economists point out that even after the latest jump in prices, oil remains far cheaper than it was in the late 1970s after the effects of inflation are stripped out.
Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Howard said: "People are entitled to protest in a peaceful way within the law.
"I can understand that people might be very angry indeed if the government were to proceed with an increase in fuel duty at this time - it would cause great hardship to many people.
"I would entirely understand if they wanted to protest peacefully and within the law."
Howard may support fuel protests
Mr Howard backed lawful protest
Tory leader Michael Howard has said he may well support a new wave of fuel protests provided they are lawful. He was speaking as oil prices continue to rise and against the background of a 2p hike in fuel duty due in September.
Asked if the Conservatives would back new protests he said: "I think that as long as they are peaceful and within the law they may well be supported."
In September 2000 a wave of fuel protests all but brought Britain to a halt amid concern over prices.
Mr Howard's comments came as Andrew Spence from the People's Fuel Lobby says he is planning go-slow protests in the North East in response to the increase in the price of petrol.
He says they will take place next Wednesday in the Newcastle area and says similar protests could take place in other parts of the north.
Oil prices have risen by about 25% since the end of last year due to a combination of soaring demand in the US and China, supply bottlenecks at US refineries, and fears that the Iraqi conflict could disrupt supplies.
However, economists point out that even after the latest jump in prices, oil remains far cheaper than it was in the late 1970s after the effects of inflation are stripped out.
Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Howard said: "People are entitled to protest in a peaceful way within the law.
"I can understand that people might be very angry indeed if the government were to proceed with an increase in fuel duty at this time - it would cause great hardship to many people.
"I would entirely understand if they wanted to protest peacefully and within the law."
I was on holiday (honeymoon) for the whole of the last set of protests. I was therefore (un?)fortunate enought to miss them entirely.
But as soon as there is the slightest whisper of any more, I'll be out there at the front line. Just show me where it is ....
Quite agree with the comments about direct vs. indirect taxation. The big question is where does all our money go? What is the big black hole that it is disappearing into, and why are we not seeing more returns on it? Taxes have gone up steadily since noo labia arrived, and the quality of life for those who provide the power behind the economy (i.e. those who have jobs and pensions and savings who pay their tax like good boys and girls) has declined accordingly.
Who is going to stand up and do something about it? I am reminded of the story about boiling a frog in a pan of hot water. If you drop a frog into a pan of boiling water, it will jump out. If you place the same frog in a pan of cold water and heat it up to boiling point, the frog will stay in there and be boiled alive. Are we taxpayers going to be the same with petrol prices?
Oli.
But as soon as there is the slightest whisper of any more, I'll be out there at the front line. Just show me where it is ....
Quite agree with the comments about direct vs. indirect taxation. The big question is where does all our money go? What is the big black hole that it is disappearing into, and why are we not seeing more returns on it? Taxes have gone up steadily since noo labia arrived, and the quality of life for those who provide the power behind the economy (i.e. those who have jobs and pensions and savings who pay their tax like good boys and girls) has declined accordingly.
Who is going to stand up and do something about it? I am reminded of the story about boiling a frog in a pan of hot water. If you drop a frog into a pan of boiling water, it will jump out. If you place the same frog in a pan of cold water and heat it up to boiling point, the frog will stay in there and be boiled alive. Are we taxpayers going to be the same with petrol prices?
Oli.
zcacogp said:
I was on holiday (honeymoon) for the whole of the last set of protests. I was therefore (un?)fortunate enought to miss them entirely.
But as soon as there is the slightest whisper of any more, I'll be out there at the front line. Just show me where it is ....
Quite agree with the comments about direct vs. indirect taxation. The big question is where does all our money go? What is the big black hole that it is disappearing into, and why are we not seeing more returns on it? Taxes have gone up steadily since noo labia arrived, and the quality of life for those who provide the power behind the economy (i.e. those who have jobs and pensions and savings who pay their tax like good boys and girls) has declined accordingly.
Who is going to stand up and do something about it? I am reminded of the story about boiling a frog in a pan of hot water. If you drop a frog into a pan of boiling water, it will jump out. If you place the same frog in a pan of cold water and heat it up to boiling point, the frog will stay in there and be boiled alive. Are we taxpayers going to be the same with petrol prices?
Oli.
WELL SAID
Where's the money gone? Simple:
Labour have introduced 88,000 jobs in to the NHS. Only 4,000 are medical front-line staff. The rest are management non-jobs. That's a lot of money for a start. Now just consider this wastage everywhere else the stick their little fingers.
The only place we've escaped this waste in tax is in the Scameraships, but then again it's the motorists paying for them too
Labour have introduced 88,000 jobs in to the NHS. Only 4,000 are medical front-line staff. The rest are management non-jobs. That's a lot of money for a start. Now just consider this wastage everywhere else the stick their little fingers.
The only place we've escaped this waste in tax is in the Scameraships, but then again it's the motorists paying for them too
zcacogp said:
I was on holiday (honeymoon) for the whole of the last set of protests. I was therefore (un?)fortunate enought to miss them entirely.
But as soon as there is the slightest whisper of any more, I'll be out there at the front line. Just show me where it is ....
Quite agree with the comments about direct vs. indirect taxation. The big question is where does all our money go? What is the big black hole that it is disappearing into, and why are we not seeing more returns on it? Taxes have gone up steadily since noo labia arrived, and the quality of life for those who provide the power behind the economy (i.e. those who have jobs and pensions and savings who pay their tax like good boys and girls) has declined accordingly.
Who is going to stand up and do something about it? I am reminded of the story about boiling a frog in a pan of hot water. If you drop a frog into a pan of boiling water, it will jump out. If you place the same frog in a pan of cold water and heat it up to boiling point, the frog will stay in there and be boiled alive. Are we taxpayers going to be the same with petrol prices?
Oli.
WELL SAID
A good friend of mine's father is a haulier and every 1p a litre takes £1200 a year off their bottom line per lorry.
Bearing in mind the price has risen 10p in the last month, it doesn't take a genius to work out this is really stinging them hard.
I would recommend filling your tank over the next 24 hours. He was spot on with the last one and also my own gut reaction is they will really press this one home and not give up after 5-6 days.
>> Edited by Rovertron on Wednesday 2nd June 09:55
Bearing in mind the price has risen 10p in the last month, it doesn't take a genius to work out this is really stinging them hard.
I would recommend filling your tank over the next 24 hours. He was spot on with the last one and also my own gut reaction is they will really press this one home and not give up after 5-6 days.
>> Edited by Rovertron on Wednesday 2nd June 09:55
I would just fill your tank and watch the news. There are a number of factors this time that are really going to make it worse.
One, anyone with a car knows this government really have it coming, there will not be much sympathy this time for any government pleas on the fallicious line that emergency services will suffer. They actually have huge fuel stockpiles now after the last one, also protestors never at any time blockaded supplies for key workers. The public know that now.
Second, the government still had some trust from the public at the time of the last protest, that has evapourated. The government also did make concessions to the hauliers in reducing road fund licenses so they know if they press on they will get more.
Third, they might have opposition support this time which will add credence to their protest.
Fourthly, the public might be better prepared this time meaning the protest will have to go on longer to have the same effect.
I don't know how long it will last but I remember after one week, my part of the world was almost deserted, the trains were packed and people just weren't prepared, driving on the deserted M4 at rush-hour at 56mph was a joy.
One, anyone with a car knows this government really have it coming, there will not be much sympathy this time for any government pleas on the fallicious line that emergency services will suffer. They actually have huge fuel stockpiles now after the last one, also protestors never at any time blockaded supplies for key workers. The public know that now.
Second, the government still had some trust from the public at the time of the last protest, that has evapourated. The government also did make concessions to the hauliers in reducing road fund licenses so they know if they press on they will get more.
Third, they might have opposition support this time which will add credence to their protest.
Fourthly, the public might be better prepared this time meaning the protest will have to go on longer to have the same effect.
I don't know how long it will last but I remember after one week, my part of the world was almost deserted, the trains were packed and people just weren't prepared, driving on the deserted M4 at rush-hour at 56mph was a joy.
markpetrie said:
Its really is about time though that people took a stand again the gov.
Isn't that what elections are for? We elected them, so now they have power. It's like giving a child a gun then complaining when they shoot you!
Lets not forget that BP posted the largest profits of any UK company ever last year... The fuel companies happily pass the cost onto us the consumer, and continue to make staggering profits.
I'm not saying the government isn't wrong, because I think they are. But I also think the oil companies have a lot to answer for too...
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