Citroen Saxo VTR/VTS

[zcacogp]

cyberface said:

Dubsport did a Golf with two turbocharged VR6 motors, total around 800 bhp in a stripped mk3 shell.

Dubsport did a Mk2 Golf with two n/a VR6 engines in (iirc a 2.8 Golf in the back and a 2.9 corrado in the front) and later did a stripped-out Mk1 Golf with two 2.0 16v engines in it.

Didn't know about the 2xturbo VR6 project tho'.


Oli.

[cyberface]

zcacogp said:

cyberface said: Dubsport did a Golf with two turbocharged VR6 motors, total around 800 bhp in a stripped mk3 shell. Dubsport did a Mk2 Golf with two n/a VR6 engines in (iirc a 2.8 Golf in the back and a 2.9 corrado in the front) and later did a stripped-out Mk1 Golf with two 2.0 16v engines in it. Didn't know about the 2xturbo VR6 project tho'. Oli.

I had a tiny video of it doing a quarter mile standing start. It was utterly mental, shame I can't find that vid at the mo or I'd post it.

[4WD]

Those twin engines will ruin the handling though. That's why I think one turbo lump is better. Less to go wrong too.

[bga]

cyberface said:

I had a tiny video of it doing a quarter mile standing start. It was utterly mental, shame I can't find that vid at the mo or I'd post it.

This one?

http://vwvideos.50megs.com/dubsport-twinvr6.mpg

[cyberface]

bga said:

cyberface said: I had a tiny video of it doing a quarter mile standing start. It was utterly mental, shame I can't find that vid at the mo or I'd post it. This one? http://vwvideos.50megs.com/dubsport-twinvr6.mpg

Pretty sure that's it, though I just get a Forbidden notice when trying to view or download it.

[bga]

There may be some setup to stop hotlinking

you might me able to get to it via http://vwvideos.50megs.com/dubsport.html

[Steve_Evil]

It was a twin VR6 car with Twin turbos and 4wd, the vid i can remember which is probably the same one been posted involves him letting the other guy go off the lights, waiting a couple of seconds and then launching himself, monstering past the other car onto an 11 sec quarter.

[bga]

Steve_Evil said:

It was a twin VR6 car with Twin turbos and 4wd, the vid i can remember which is probably the same one been posted involves him letting the other guy go off the lights, waiting a couple of seconds and then launching himself, monstering past the other car onto an 11 sec quarter.

that's the beast.

[cyberface]

A cool touch was the dashboard being covered with gauges, all across to the passenger side

Obviously two turbo'd engines will have lots of diagnostic readouts, but you're going to need sharp eyes to spot that one engine's losing oil pressure when going that fast

[benwiz6]

My brother used to have a 100bhp VTR, which I have driven a few times. It's actually insurance group 7, compared with group 14 for the VTS. I'm afraid to say (for those after an insurance bargain) that those insurance groupings are an accurate representaion of the relative performance of the two.

Apologies to all VTR owners reading but the performance of the standard 100bhp car is merely adequate, it needs to be caned to get the speed the image implies. The VTS is the one with the real speed. I should imagine the 90bhp variant isn't particularly impressive at all. An example of a better value insurance deal would be a 1.8 Clio RSi (my current steed - group 11) which would be much swifter in a straight line than the VTR and just as fast around the bends.

I believe the engine in the C2 VTR is a derivative of the 16v 1.6 from the Saxo VTS, albeit tuned for more torque, and it is a much more impressive motor than the 8v 1.6 (Saxo VTR). Strong low range urge combined with a screaming 7k rpm top end... gets my vote . I'd agree with the poster who said the Saxo VTR feels a bit strangled.

However, the VTR's handling is still excellent with nice quick steering and virtually no body roll, it is certainly good at covering ground A note of caution though: watch the lift-off oversteer in the wet. A bend on a country road is not the best place to work out how to deal with it for the first time, or you might meet a tree at 60mph (just ask my brother!).

The pedal box (as already mentioned) is tiny... no good for big shoes and a bit of a design flaw IMHO, make sure your feet fit before getting a Saxo/106!

[SpheareD]

hi,
im looking for a car thats small and very fast, i have a vtr at the mo bt id like 2 no which is a beta buy vts or pug 106 gti or if there is anything else which myt b a good idea 2 look at?

[Silent1]

SpheareD said:

hi,
im looking for a car thats small and very fast, i have a vtr at the mo bt id like 2 no which is a beta buy vts or pug 106 gti or if there is anything else which myt b a good idea 2 look at?

You're going to get some stick, spelling like that. Whatever one you can turbo/supercharge would be my answer.

Word, Sup, etc.

[JCW_Matt]

LOL! Saxo's are safe trust me homey's!

No but seriously, they are not that bad. I think they are good little cars for the younger drivers and a good step into some nice performance motoring for a low cost.

Agreed, chaviot saxo's should be grouped together and burned. Little bit of lowering, maybe nice wheels (speedlines pring to mind), and a nice exhaust system is all good in my opinion.

I had a VTR for a bit and I can honestly say it was big fun - not mega quick, but on backroads it was pretty awesome, handling was EXCELLENT - almost impossible to spin, and very easy to master. Have not had a VTS, but they do shift - used my friends one a few times and there is no denying it is a quick little car. My mates has a fully inclosed BMC induction kit, GMC-4-2-1 manifold, and full system exhaust - It used to destroy my VR6 to 110 gigawatts.

[whygee02]

I owned a saxo VTS for a couple of years, and its fantastic performance for the price. Several mates had their chavved up VTR's but nothing could match the 'stock' VTS for performance, only similar car I've had since which could out perform it was a Clio 182.

If you're thinking of a VTS, and the insurance is affordable, go for it - fantastic fun car. I also never had to spend a single penny on it other than routine servicing - completely reliable and never had any problem with it.

Drove a VTR when I was looking around and its dog slow, looks identical, but performance was just not there - VTS is 1000000 x VTR. Even the missus who isn't into fast-ness gave me a 'so come on then press the pedal' look when we test drove the VTR.

HTH

Edited by whygee02 on Friday 5th October 08:43

[wooooody]

A good (well, excellent really) inbetween, is the 106 rallye S2; 103 bhp as standard from the same 8v engine, but with another 1000 or so RPM and it's produced in a much more petrolhead orintated fashion, and being lighter mine was as quick as my brother's 106 gti but with only group 11 insurance. Have a look at 106rallye.co.uk for lots more info.

[emicen]

4WD said:

I would like to have a subaru or similar engine dropped into a 106GTi. They're only about 800kgs! Cool project? Might need lengthening a tad.

Theres a 206 with STi running gear not far from me in Glasgow.

Owners other toy is an Evo rally car and word on the grapevine has it he just stuck a Supra TT engine in his L200.

[Schnell]

Holy necro-post(s) Batman!

[Tony*T3]

Had a VTS, it was a buzzing little stormer - very nippy. Had quite a few mechanical failures with mine so it had to go. However, it was great value for money and suprisingly swift. A good, fun car. Very light so will handle well and out perform many other hot hatches.

As with all saxos though, I never felt overly 'safe' in it. Not a car I would chose to have an accident in, it felt like it would be very fragile.

[banx22]

I've got a Mk1 VTR (90BHP) and it is not fast by any means of the imagination. but it doesn't need to be.

Handles well, looks ok, cheap to insure, easy to fix, good MPG, pokey when you get it going. I've had mine for a year and it's been trouble free, mines only got 29K on the clock as well. i would say the only bit that is weak is the brakes which are rubbish to be honest.

Agreed it is tainted by the 'CHAV' imagine but i've had loads of fun in mine.

But alas i now want to sell up and get a 172 cup so it will be going.

[Thudd]

I had a VTR and wide feet and it was a problem. Not quite so bad a problem as the shonky build - engine mounts went at 28k miles, bits fell off it, felt like it was made from bits of scrap and tinfoil.

Chopped it in for a new (at the time) CooperS and it was like chalk and cheese.

They're a chav icon now, and with the age and miles on them... I'd avoid tbh.