Delfino Feroce stolen
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A prototype super car feared stolen had in fact been clamped and towed away by parking officials.
The owner of the Delfino Feroce phoned police after the car went missing from outside a London house.
Now it's been discovered the car was parked without a permit, and has been sitting in a Chelsea pound.
Full story: www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_478339.html
The owner of the Delfino Feroce phoned police after the car went missing from outside a London house.
Now it's been discovered the car was parked without a permit, and has been sitting in a Chelsea pound.
Full story: www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_478339.html
to all those knocking the car or it's looks....much as I totally agree that we all have a right to opinion etc.. and lighthearted discussion....
1) You need to actually see this car before you make the sort of sweeping comments Ive read here.
2) You need to drive it to understand the 'oh my good god' factor of it
3) This is another small, UK company trying to produce something unique for our sports car market. It is the dream and work of primarily two, very talented engineers/designers. If it were me, I would find some of the comments written here VERY hurtful - especially as they are without real grounding. I understand that feedback of all sotrs is vital to the commercial success of any venture, but come on guys - try and be a bit more supportive eh? This isnt the might of BMW you're casually slating.
play nicely please?
Night
1) You need to actually see this car before you make the sort of sweeping comments Ive read here.
2) You need to drive it to understand the 'oh my good god' factor of it
3) This is another small, UK company trying to produce something unique for our sports car market. It is the dream and work of primarily two, very talented engineers/designers. If it were me, I would find some of the comments written here VERY hurtful - especially as they are without real grounding. I understand that feedback of all sotrs is vital to the commercial success of any venture, but come on guys - try and be a bit more supportive eh? This isnt the might of BMW you're casually slating.
play nicely please?
Night
Hi Night,
For a start, if this is a cheap publicity stunt (which it probably is unless Allard is very stupid or unlucky - when I had my car towed I went to the police station who promptly informed me of its impounded whereabouts) then I don't think Allard should have sent an email asking people to look out for it. Waste of everyone's time.
Secondly, some people think it is ugly. I also think it is a bit 'kitcar' like, and let's face it, most people on this forum are 'target audience' or will be at some point. If a few people say it should be a shaven arsed bulldog taught to walk backwards, then Allard had better listen.
IMHO, the Furore ain't no beauty, and has a fussy design, especially around the front. Okay, so I only work with artsy-designers rather than claiming to be one, but I like to think I have an eye for a sleek curve or a nice line... which is why I have an Eames armchair in my living room rather than an Ikea one (no offence to the Swedes, some of Ikea's stuff is okay). And before someone says I only like stuff styled in a wind tunnel, I thought the Alfa SZ was a beauty.
Anyway, before Ted bins this for being off topic, I would also like to say that I'm sure most of us here fully appreciate the efforts of Allard and his mate trying to get a car like this off the ground.
But for my money, the Noble M12 deserves more attention - it looks a lot better (IMHO), made column inches solely by being a fantastic car, and is actually in production now.
I'm sure the Furore is a blast to drive. Using the Impreza platform is inspired, and a good idea - but will punters pay 55k for a rebodied Scooby? Like all those nice people paid Zagato 60k for the Hyena, a rebodied Integrale...
If it looked a lot better, Allard may have a more interesting proposition for the car buying public. He should listen very carefully to the comments here (mindless comments excepted), as although he may not be able to shrug of criticsm with BMW's corporate arrogance, maybe the Munich massive doesn't need to listen as hard in the first place.
Telling BMW our opinion about how to make good cars is like getting Granny to suck on a dozen free range eggs. For Delfino, I would suggest it is valuable consumer research.
All the best, and happy xmas to all
Domster
Edited by domster on Friday 21st December 15:21
For a start, if this is a cheap publicity stunt (which it probably is unless Allard is very stupid or unlucky - when I had my car towed I went to the police station who promptly informed me of its impounded whereabouts) then I don't think Allard should have sent an email asking people to look out for it. Waste of everyone's time.
Secondly, some people think it is ugly. I also think it is a bit 'kitcar' like, and let's face it, most people on this forum are 'target audience' or will be at some point. If a few people say it should be a shaven arsed bulldog taught to walk backwards, then Allard had better listen.
IMHO, the Furore ain't no beauty, and has a fussy design, especially around the front. Okay, so I only work with artsy-designers rather than claiming to be one, but I like to think I have an eye for a sleek curve or a nice line... which is why I have an Eames armchair in my living room rather than an Ikea one (no offence to the Swedes, some of Ikea's stuff is okay). And before someone says I only like stuff styled in a wind tunnel, I thought the Alfa SZ was a beauty.
Anyway, before Ted bins this for being off topic, I would also like to say that I'm sure most of us here fully appreciate the efforts of Allard and his mate trying to get a car like this off the ground.
But for my money, the Noble M12 deserves more attention - it looks a lot better (IMHO), made column inches solely by being a fantastic car, and is actually in production now.
I'm sure the Furore is a blast to drive. Using the Impreza platform is inspired, and a good idea - but will punters pay 55k for a rebodied Scooby? Like all those nice people paid Zagato 60k for the Hyena, a rebodied Integrale...
If it looked a lot better, Allard may have a more interesting proposition for the car buying public. He should listen very carefully to the comments here (mindless comments excepted), as although he may not be able to shrug of criticsm with BMW's corporate arrogance, maybe the Munich massive doesn't need to listen as hard in the first place.
Telling BMW our opinion about how to make good cars is like getting Granny to suck on a dozen free range eggs. For Delfino, I would suggest it is valuable consumer research.
All the best, and happy xmas to all
Domster
Edited by domster on Friday 21st December 15:21
! He thinks he's so special that he can just park his ugly gas guzzler anywhere he pleases.
Dear Nightmare, if some so called talented engineers built and designed this car, they need to go back to their respective universities and demand their money back. In this day and age, such ugliness should'nt be thought up as a design for a car. 
Merry Xmas to all!
Edited by elemchukwu on Friday 21st December 17:43
Merry Xmas to all!
Edited by elemchukwu on Friday 21st December 17:43
Dom,
All very fair points - cant disagree at all, but not really what I was getting at.... (Oh, and Allard has just been bought in to market/sell the car - it isn't 'his' as such).
It could be a publicity stunt - but personally I dont much care
He only sent e-mails to people who already have an interest (like Craig) and I guess he didnt really mind too much!
Your post in response to mine is exactly the sort of thing that a car maker DOES need - cos it's constructive criticism (which is why I said I think its necessary!) - it was some of the other 'lets all join the party' comments I was more talking about...
oh, and elemankchu....will we have to put up with your insightful genius until school restarts?....because you're already boring me
Night
All very fair points - cant disagree at all, but not really what I was getting at.... (Oh, and Allard has just been bought in to market/sell the car - it isn't 'his' as such).
It could be a publicity stunt - but personally I dont much care
He only sent e-mails to people who already have an interest (like Craig) and I guess he didnt really mind too much! Your post in response to mine is exactly the sort of thing that a car maker DOES need - cos it's constructive criticism (which is why I said I think its necessary!) - it was some of the other 'lets all join the party' comments I was more talking about...
oh, and elemankchu....will we have to put up with your insightful genius until school restarts?....because you're already boring me
Night
Okay, some constructiveness:
If you're going to indulge in such a controversial vehicle perhaps it would be sensible to publicise it (perhaps on here) to a limited audience who can say yeuch/great/I like it but... while you still have time to alter it.
Almost everybody here seems to think it was a publicity stunt and we all have time for the foibles of small English manufacturers... I'm no marketing expert, but making yourselves a laughing stock cannot be smart.
It's too expensive. A 55k Impreza isn't going to sell. It may well have some USP but that hasn't been made clear and the publicity stunt (if such it was) hasn't been exactly informative... If they tell us why we should consider it, get it into the (motoring) press a bit more and have a website that works it would be a start.
What is your interest craigw?
For goodness sakes elemankchu if you can't say anything worthwhile then don't bother.
Hmm, the above still reads as though I'm having a dig. Maybe I am but I don't want them to fail...
Edited by jaydee on Friday 21st December 19:39
If you're going to indulge in such a controversial vehicle perhaps it would be sensible to publicise it (perhaps on here) to a limited audience who can say yeuch/great/I like it but... while you still have time to alter it.
Almost everybody here seems to think it was a publicity stunt and we all have time for the foibles of small English manufacturers... I'm no marketing expert, but making yourselves a laughing stock cannot be smart.
It's too expensive. A 55k Impreza isn't going to sell. It may well have some USP but that hasn't been made clear and the publicity stunt (if such it was) hasn't been exactly informative... If they tell us why we should consider it, get it into the (motoring) press a bit more and have a website that works it would be a start.
What is your interest craigw?
For goodness sakes elemankchu if you can't say anything worthwhile then don't bother.
Hmm, the above still reads as though I'm having a dig. Maybe I am but I don't want them to fail...
Edited by jaydee on Friday 21st December 19:39
Well just for the benefit of the guy who "lost" the car, I reckon it looks pretty good.
Then again, I like the Elise, and most TVR's. Some of you guys are too harsh on new ideas. Lighten up a bit, I'm sure the car deserves a better start in the world than a right slating from you..
When we are all forced out of "interesting" and powerful cars/bikes, because they are too anti-social, you'll finally "click" and work out that all auto-enthuisiasts should have stood together and fought for our right to be different, rather than making stupid bitchy comments.
Merry Christmas !
Carl
Then again, I like the Elise, and most TVR's. Some of you guys are too harsh on new ideas. Lighten up a bit, I'm sure the car deserves a better start in the world than a right slating from you..
When we are all forced out of "interesting" and powerful cars/bikes, because they are too anti-social, you'll finally "click" and work out that all auto-enthuisiasts should have stood together and fought for our right to be different, rather than making stupid bitchy comments.
Merry Christmas !
Carl
Hi Night,
Sorry I missed your point a bit - a fault of mine, both feet first into gob is a speciality!
Still, I'd like to see the Feroce succeed, maybe with a gentle restyle, to remove the shades of kit car (which are much better looking these days, but still can look like a CDT teacher has designed them).
After all, look at the Noble M10 - that was way off the mark, and then the wonderful M12 comes out afterwards, lessons having been learnt. Remember the GTD R42 as well? The later R45(?) looked fantastic, even though the R42 looked a bit rubbish in areas.
I think we'd all agree, that if someone could reclothe the Impreza turbo 4WD - maybe even as a 'component car' (despite my comments, I am a fan of kit cars, and love the Ultima immensely) in lovely lightweight GRP, put in two seats and sell it for under 25k, they'd be on to a winner.
But as jaydee points out, 55k is getting slightly optimistic, even if beautifully hand built and appointed!
Happy xmas to all - and hope that Night tucks his Diablo up nice and warm until the ice melts!!!
Cheers
Domster
Sorry I missed your point a bit - a fault of mine, both feet first into gob is a speciality!
Still, I'd like to see the Feroce succeed, maybe with a gentle restyle, to remove the shades of kit car (which are much better looking these days, but still can look like a CDT teacher has designed them).
After all, look at the Noble M10 - that was way off the mark, and then the wonderful M12 comes out afterwards, lessons having been learnt. Remember the GTD R42 as well? The later R45(?) looked fantastic, even though the R42 looked a bit rubbish in areas.
I think we'd all agree, that if someone could reclothe the Impreza turbo 4WD - maybe even as a 'component car' (despite my comments, I am a fan of kit cars, and love the Ultima immensely) in lovely lightweight GRP, put in two seats and sell it for under 25k, they'd be on to a winner.
But as jaydee points out, 55k is getting slightly optimistic, even if beautifully hand built and appointed!
Happy xmas to all - and hope that Night tucks his Diablo up nice and warm until the ice melts!!!
Cheers
Domster
It should be pointed out that the Mr Allard reported the car stolen to local police who did indeed check it against the cars that had been impounded by the Met's traffic department. However, it was in fact the Met's Fashion Squad that had impounded the car, blah blah blah ....
Just kidding. More power to their elbows. Good to see someone giving it a go.
Edited by ATG on Monday 24th December 15:40
Just kidding. More power to their elbows. Good to see someone giving it a go.
Edited by ATG on Monday 24th December 15:40
Presumably if two million has already been spent on development it's a bit late to make radical changes, but perhaps something can still be done about the front end?
I would revise the whole nose below headlamp level and add simplicity instead - possibly something along the lines of the 'glassnose' Daytona with a plain purposeful spoiler below. The fog lights are probably illegal, and surely the indicators are virtually invisible?
I'll keep my head down
and confess that I think the new Elise is far too fussy - UNFUSS the nose of this device and it won't be too bad at all; side view is rather TVR-like in fact!
Well yes, sorry, maybe I did have a bit too much brandy with the xmas pud....
I would revise the whole nose below headlamp level and add simplicity instead - possibly something along the lines of the 'glassnose' Daytona with a plain purposeful spoiler below. The fog lights are probably illegal, and surely the indicators are virtually invisible?
I'll keep my head down
and confess that I think the new Elise is far too fussy - UNFUSS the nose of this device and it won't be too bad at all; side view is rather TVR-like in fact! Well yes, sorry, maybe I did have a bit too much brandy with the xmas pud....
wonder how much has actually been spent, or whether that was a typical newspaper 'grab a random figure out of thin air cos it sounds exciting' move?
Dom/Jaydee...agree with pretty much everything you've said...I think that small manufacturers should really harness the potential of the 'free' market reseacrh which a site like this can offer. I would love to be able to feel that I was in some way contributing to the development of a new project, and it would surely help those developing stuff.
re: the delphino itself, the only thing I would chnge having seen it is those massive front spots which I think do detract from what is actually a gracefully designed car. It's a bit tricky from pics, cos the angle makes it look bulkier than it really is (think how much a ferarri 360 looks like a barchetta in pics for example)
Ted - have you thought about offering the audience (us)out as market research? I am currently working with a number of companies who have online audiences (healthcare admittedly) who are offering us exactly that service. It has so many advantages over traditional market research (as Im sure you know - am not trying to be patronising git) and is very much cheaper for the company.....you get cash, and we get to be involved in new developments - would be cool!
Night
p.s. diablo has woolly coat on!
Dom/Jaydee...agree with pretty much everything you've said...I think that small manufacturers should really harness the potential of the 'free' market reseacrh which a site like this can offer. I would love to be able to feel that I was in some way contributing to the development of a new project, and it would surely help those developing stuff.
re: the delphino itself, the only thing I would chnge having seen it is those massive front spots which I think do detract from what is actually a gracefully designed car. It's a bit tricky from pics, cos the angle makes it look bulkier than it really is (think how much a ferarri 360 looks like a barchetta in pics for example)
Ted - have you thought about offering the audience (us
)out as market research? I am currently working with a number of companies who have online audiences (healthcare admittedly) who are offering us exactly that service. It has so many advantages over traditional market research (as Im sure you know - am not trying to be patronising git) and is very much cheaper for the company.....you get cash, and we get to be involved in new developments - would be cool! Night
p.s. diablo has woolly coat on!
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