Motorist is banned over speed trap alert
Discussion
gary_tholl said:I'd absolutely be up for it, except there's no way on this earth I could afford a year's driving ban in the time it would take for the appeal to be heard.
I'd be up for it, but it's a bit of a trek...
They're denying us our basic right to justice now, and that stinks....
Is this just going to fade away??
Is there anyway of finding out if the guy has access to a PC , he could then read this thread.
How do we get more publicity for whats happened?
Its such a good story , exposing the 'road safety' lie
and proving its all about cash.
Great shame if it just fades away.
Is there anyway of finding out if the guy has access to a PC , he could then read this thread.
How do we get more publicity for whats happened?
Its such a good story , exposing the 'road safety' lie
and proving its all about cash.
Great shame if it just fades away.
The best place to complain is probably here:
www.hampshire.police.uk/|www.hampshire.police.uk
Ted,
Where should we send our donations?? Rather than send the excess to charity could this fund be held in a savings account (ING for instance) under your control till a similar event occurs. A running fund reserved for exceptional circumstances would I'm sure be useful.
www.hampshire.police.uk/|www.hampshire.police.uk
Ted,
Where should we send our donations?? Rather than send the excess to charity could this fund be held in a savings account (ING for instance) under your control till a similar event occurs. A running fund reserved for exceptional circumstances would I'm sure be useful.
This seems out of order and something must be done.
Ted - Just a though or two, but why don't you try 118 to get the phone number om Mr Harding. The local newspaper link www.shstar.co.uk/story.asp?intid=2010 gives his road etc. He should then appeal. We should ask him he he wants us to hire a specialist traffic offences lawyer with the money collected. I think the collection only be used for his fine as a last resort, as he is innocent and should appeal.
I would then ask the local MP who held up the sign previously to attend court to help out his case.
(1) I would also pusue and argue the following points:-
To quote Zod - "The Policeman with the laser gun is unaware that drivers further back down the road who are being warned of his presence are committing a speeding offence. He is therefore not being obstructed in carrying out his duty."
(2) Maybe follow up on a 1689 Bill of rights for use of freedom of speech
(3) Get some more publicity in this matter .ie Mr Clarkson on TopGear or Talksport or The RightStuff ?
Regards John S
Ted - Just a though or two, but why don't you try 118 to get the phone number om Mr Harding. The local newspaper link www.shstar.co.uk/story.asp?intid=2010 gives his road etc. He should then appeal. We should ask him he he wants us to hire a specialist traffic offences lawyer with the money collected. I think the collection only be used for his fine as a last resort, as he is innocent and should appeal.
I would then ask the local MP who held up the sign previously to attend court to help out his case.
(1) I would also pusue and argue the following points:-
To quote Zod - "The Policeman with the laser gun is unaware that drivers further back down the road who are being warned of his presence are committing a speeding offence. He is therefore not being obstructed in carrying out his duty."
(2) Maybe follow up on a 1689 Bill of rights for use of freedom of speech
(3) Get some more publicity in this matter .ie Mr Clarkson on TopGear or Talksport or The RightStuff ?
Regards John S
Mon Ami Mate made contact with Mr Harding via the journalist on the Telegraph. He informed us about the fact that he doesn't want to appeal. The journo then forgot to pass on our offer to pay his fine. We're waiting on him to speak to him again as far as I know.
I'd rather continue to channel this through Mon Ami Mate and the Telegraph as it ensures the correct publicity and we don't end up causing Mr Harding more hassle than he wants.
If he accepts our offer then I'll arrange collection of the money and respect his wishes with regard to what is done with any surplus.
I'd rather continue to channel this through Mon Ami Mate and the Telegraph as it ensures the correct publicity and we don't end up causing Mr Harding more hassle than he wants.
If he accepts our offer then I'll arrange collection of the money and respect his wishes with regard to what is done with any surplus.
atom290 said:
The ban doesnt get backdated to the date of the offence.
If he gets convicted soon thats when the ban will start from
I think he should re think his thoughts
He got a month's ban and the magistrate would not allow the ban to be postponed pending appeal.
So, by the time his appeal comes through, he's already served the ban......and forfeited his holiday.
More info on driving bans whilst not driving for anyone interested ...
Crime (Sentences) Bill (1997)
www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld199697/ldhansrd/vo970220/text/70220-28.htm
Crime (Sentences) Act 1997
www.homeoffice.gov.uk/docs/hoc9754.html
CRIMINALS FACE DRIVING LICENCE BAN
www.newsrelease-archive.net/coi/depts/GHO/coi3942c.ok
From BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/44191.stm
"Ms Matthews said magistrates would have discretion to use the driving ban but in practice, she predicted, it would only be suitable for those who had committed more serious offences. "
But, from www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/c_and_a/advice/dangerous_driving/proposals.htm
"While those convicted of causing death by dangerous driving are likely to regard disqualification as an onerous part of the punishment for the offence, the main purpose of disqualification is forward-looking and preventative, rather than backward-looking and punitive. A driving ban is designed to protect road users in the future from an offender who, through his conduct on this occasion, and perhaps other occasions, has shown himself to be a real risk on the roads. "
Pretty scant pickings, unfortunately
put me down for a tenner
Crime (Sentences) Bill (1997)
www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld199697/ldhansrd/vo970220/text/70220-28.htm
Crime (Sentences) Act 1997
www.homeoffice.gov.uk/docs/hoc9754.html
CRIMINALS FACE DRIVING LICENCE BAN
www.newsrelease-archive.net/coi/depts/GHO/coi3942c.ok
From BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/44191.stm
"Ms Matthews said magistrates would have discretion to use the driving ban but in practice, she predicted, it would only be suitable for those who had committed more serious offences. "
But, from www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/c_and_a/advice/dangerous_driving/proposals.htm
"While those convicted of causing death by dangerous driving are likely to regard disqualification as an onerous part of the punishment for the offence, the main purpose of disqualification is forward-looking and preventative, rather than backward-looking and punitive. A driving ban is designed to protect road users in the future from an offender who, through his conduct on this occasion, and perhaps other occasions, has shown himself to be a real risk on the roads. "
Pretty scant pickings, unfortunately
put me down for a tenner
marlboro said:
Cheers for the update Ted. Will wait for Mon Ami to spread the word....
The truth is that the journalist felt that Mr Harding really just wanted to put the whole thing behind him and clearly wasn't keen to go back to him again. If/when I hear anything else I'll post an update immediately.
pesty said:
Just a thought.
How about the surplus going to that you lad who was banned and fined heavily for hiting a tree the same day a hit and run un taxed and uninsured driver got FCUK all.
Why should he get anything? Yes his fine was huge, but he was actually in the wrong. He wasn't fined for hitting a tree, he was fined for careless driving. He should be taken off the road for a while to rethink his driving style.
As for the other driver, well....
I think that he is not going to want the money or any further publicity so i vote we put all the money pledged into a 'PH fund' account of some description..
I am sure we will find a worthy cause sooner or later.
For example, I really need a new car.
or we could use it to make up some ready to go 'accident blackspot 500 yards ahead, the police are already there, so don't panic' signs that we can pitch in the ground.
I like that idea too....
>> Edited by hedders on Sunday 6th June 20:40
I am sure we will find a worthy cause sooner or later.
For example, I really need a new car.
or we could use it to make up some ready to go 'accident blackspot 500 yards ahead, the police are already there, so don't panic' signs that we can pitch in the ground.
I like that idea too....
>> Edited by hedders on Sunday 6th June 20:40
Had a reply from Hampshire Constabulary today regarding a mail I sent them about this case:
The bit that got me was, "Helping a motorist avoid detection may actually contribute to a subsequent accident." Anyone care to tell me how being detected prevents an accident when the first you know about it might be 14 days later?
Hapshire Copshop said:
You have contacted this office in relation to media coverage of the
conviction and disqualification of the above named individual. It is not
the role of Hampshire Constabulary to comment on media coverage, its
accuracy or completeness, but we are pleased to provide facts which may
be of assistance to you.
Road signs are carefully regulated to avoid distracting drivers and to
give clear messages to road users and all our Partnership enforcement
sites have clear signs displaying the speed limit and the fact that they
are protected by speed cameras. Should you wish to learn more about the
work of the Safety Camera Partnership nationally, or locally within
Hampshire and the Isle of Wight [HSCP] I would refer you to the
following website, which also includes a link to the local website:
www.nationalsafetycameras.co.uk
Mr Harding was deliberately seeking to nullify a speed enforcement
exercise. Thus, his actions were designed to waste police time and
scarce public resources.
Mr Harding never displayed his sign to deter excessive speeding prior to
the occasion on which he was detected.
The magistrates heard the prosecution evidence and also Mr Harding's
defence in full. The penalty awarded is a matter solely for them and
police play no role in the sentencing exercise.
I have no doubt, however, that the magistrates will have taken Mr
Harding's circumstances and previous record in to consideration when
making their decision.
Hampshire Constabulary covers its costs in relation to speed enforcement
activity, with fine income being allocated by HM Treasury. We recognise
that many people have been misled in to believing that there is a
financial incentive for police to detect more motorists speeding.
However, the Chief Constable has stated that he looks forward to the day
when no one is detected as all motorists respect the rights of others by
observing the prescribed speed limits. Indeed, he has also publicly
called for the Treasury to allocate all speed enforcement fines to A&E
units of the NHS. He believes this would deprive certain lobby groups of
their ability to obscure a public safety issue by claiming agencies are
only interested in acquiring income.
I hope these facts will help you put the media coverage in to context.
Excessive speed kills and the force makes no apology for trying to
reduce serious injury and death by tackling irresponsible driving.
Helping a motorist avoid detection may actually contribute to a
subsequent accident.
Thank you for taking the time to express your views.
Laurie Rickwood [Inspector]
The bit that got me was, "Helping a motorist avoid detection may actually contribute to a subsequent accident." Anyone care to tell me how being detected prevents an accident when the first you know about it might be 14 days later?
The part that i picked up on was this nugget of info:
The absolutely crystal clear inference here is that the scameras are to protect a LIMIT, not a life.
Banged to rights by their own admissions.
All about regulation and cash generation. Utter SCUM.
Copshop Spokesman said:
Road signs are carefully regulated to avoid distracting drivers and to
give clear messages to road users and all our Partnership enforcement
sites have clear signs displaying the speed limit and the fact that they
are protected by speed cameras.
The absolutely crystal clear inference here is that the scameras are to protect a LIMIT, not a life.
Banged to rights by their own admissions.
All about regulation and cash generation. Utter SCUM.
Ex29 Wrote to our local M.P on this issue, and received the following,
" Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention, etc etc..." "I have today written to the Chief Constable of the Hampshire Constabulary, Paul Kernaghan regarding the valid points you have raised regarding this case of the Farnborough pensioner"..... "As soon as I have received his reply, I will write to you again and report my findings.
yours etc,
The Rt Hon Virginia Bottomley
Well, it's a start, and may cause a few reactions
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