Pics of 27 litre Rolls Royce Meteor engine installation
Discussion
Hi Mark,
Thanks. No, they're not fitted yet. As they are, the car may require some serious structural mods to make them even physically fit. Their capacity is such too, that the lag may be horrendous, so we might end up changing them for either just one, or two smaller ones. They are works of art though, bootiful jobs, AET know their onions. They're looking at the turbos we found for our track day Rolls, next week.
The aim with the Rover this year was always to get the car up and running, and we'd have liked to probe its performance before the summer was out. Realistically, I don't think thats going to happen now, we're still waiting for the custom exhausts to be finished. We can run it at Bruntingthorpe and get some good times, but we aren't going to have the time to start seriously looking at problems which'll affect the car's upper limits. The car has to be painted too (prob gloss black), never enough time eh?
www.bruntingthorpe.com/
www.aet-turbos.co.uk/
Thanks. No, they're not fitted yet. As they are, the car may require some serious structural mods to make them even physically fit. Their capacity is such too, that the lag may be horrendous, so we might end up changing them for either just one, or two smaller ones. They are works of art though, bootiful jobs, AET know their onions. They're looking at the turbos we found for our track day Rolls, next week.
The aim with the Rover this year was always to get the car up and running, and we'd have liked to probe its performance before the summer was out. Realistically, I don't think thats going to happen now, we're still waiting for the custom exhausts to be finished. We can run it at Bruntingthorpe and get some good times, but we aren't going to have the time to start seriously looking at problems which'll affect the car's upper limits. The car has to be painted too (prob gloss black), never enough time eh?
www.bruntingthorpe.com/
www.aet-turbos.co.uk/
G,day Al, New to this site...anyway you have done one hell of a job shoe horning that beast into a rover, I must admit that is one thing I never thought I would see in the mighty SD. I was wondering why you were thinking of putting turbos on rather than superchargers as superchargers would fix any turbo lag problems.If you are interested a bloke over here in Oz built a 55 chev with a merlin in it and kept the 2 stage superchargers on it, here is the website.
www.rodshop.com.au/project55.htm
Top job I look forward to seeing the finished project.
Cheers
www.rodshop.com.au/project55.htm
Top job I look forward to seeing the finished project.
Cheers
"There they were, the flashing lights of the marshall’s wagon reaching out to us like flak. Al must have had a flashback, because he screamed at me to start weaving, so I slapped him, told him to get a grip and reminded him that we weren’t over the Ruhr, we were in Sussex".
'kin hilarious
'kin hilarious
Al Rush said:
What every man needs in one photo - a massively powered and potentially rapid motor vehicle, some large power tools, what looks like a wok and some nice refreshing liquid to ease it all down - all contained in a nice wooden hut away from outsiders
Got any ideas when she will be completed yet or is it a case of when you can fit it in? Surely after this, you cannot think of an even better project?!
simon 308 said:
G,day Al, New to this site...anyway you have done one hell of a job shoe horning that beast into a rover, I must admit that is one thing I never thought I would see in the mighty SD. I was wondering why you were thinking of putting turbos on rather than superchargers as superchargers would fix any turbo lag problems.If you are interested a bloke over here in Oz built a 55 chev with a merlin in it and kept the 2 stage superchargers on it, here is the website.
www.rodshop.com.au/project55.htm
Top job I look forward to seeing the finished project.
Cheers
www.rodshop.com.au/project55.htm
Top job I look forward to seeing the finished project.
Cheers
Thanks chaps, for the kind words and Heavy, you're abloke after our own hearts!
Simon,
I suppose we need to be realistic about cost. The supercharger is working all the time, whereas turbos are on demand, and can be more efficient. They're cheaper second hand, and a lot easier to work with too, in terms of spare parts and the rest of it. We'll set it up right, there won't be too much lag with the right one, and anyway, the torque should be enough to see us through any of that.
Good website, cheers. Passed that one onto Charles.
Were you at the 'ring in the Rolls about 2 weeks ago on sunday 13th? I saw the Rolls parked up around 7:30ish outside a cafe with the hood up (still looked very cool!) We stopped off en route from the UK to Frankfurt, for a bite to eat and to soke up some atmosphere. If you saw a Volvo 960 with a very noisy sounding clutch that was us!
Greetings from Finland. Sad I can't afford traveling there to watch, hear and feel the meteor firing up <3
But I must admit, you guys do an amazing job and the project looks astonishing, I've been following this topic for awhile now, and I'm eagerly looking forward into seeing it finished and on track
I was wondering, what kind of exhaust manifolds are there going to be? I had a thought of making such manifolds that will bring the exhausts to the front of the car, it seems in the pictures that in the front there still is some space left? And the hood can be always modified
Although the engine wouldn't lack efficiency almost at all with superchargers, with such exhaust flowing rates and energy of the 27-litre V12, even bigger turbo chargers should have almost no lag at all. And you wouldn't have to burden the engine all that much to gain the same charge pressure. And I suggest you should seriously think of those truck turbos, you know, big pressures from almost idle, and the efficient rpm rates could fit the rpm-range of the Meteor..
BTW there's one guy here in Finland building a Monster truck, with the same engine. (And with the same heating problems, check it out!)
www.antero-olkkola.com
http://chuckstrucks.iforumer.com/view
But I must admit, you guys do an amazing job and the project looks astonishing, I've been following this topic for awhile now, and I'm eagerly looking forward into seeing it finished and on track
I was wondering, what kind of exhaust manifolds are there going to be? I had a thought of making such manifolds that will bring the exhausts to the front of the car, it seems in the pictures that in the front there still is some space left? And the hood can be always modified
Although the engine wouldn't lack efficiency almost at all with superchargers, with such exhaust flowing rates and energy of the 27-litre V12, even bigger turbo chargers should have almost no lag at all. And you wouldn't have to burden the engine all that much to gain the same charge pressure. And I suggest you should seriously think of those truck turbos, you know, big pressures from almost idle, and the efficient rpm rates could fit the rpm-range of the Meteor..
BTW there's one guy here in Finland building a Monster truck, with the same engine. (And with the same heating problems, check it out!)
www.antero-olkkola.com
http://chuckstrucks.iforumer.com/view
Hi Gilran,
Nice to hear from you, thanks for your thoughts.
We're inclined to agree about the turbo lag issue too. The manifolds are home made by Charley (which means they're as good as anything you'll get made for you by a pro too). They're tubular, very straigtforward and with creases set in concertina fashion throughout to absorb the increases in temps. The first ones didn't have them, and as a result, the manifolds kept blowing off when they got hot(you live and learn etc).
There's not a lot of space under there anyway, and the bonnet has now been modified with the bulge, so straight out exhausts are probably not on the cards. As it is, putting the turbos in is going to get heads scratching. If we can solve it, those turbos may be in there yet.
Great links, thanks, and welcome to the board too.
Al.
Nice to hear from you, thanks for your thoughts.
We're inclined to agree about the turbo lag issue too. The manifolds are home made by Charley (which means they're as good as anything you'll get made for you by a pro too). They're tubular, very straigtforward and with creases set in concertina fashion throughout to absorb the increases in temps. The first ones didn't have them, and as a result, the manifolds kept blowing off when they got hot(you live and learn etc).
There's not a lot of space under there anyway, and the bonnet has now been modified with the bulge, so straight out exhausts are probably not on the cards. As it is, putting the turbos in is going to get heads scratching. If we can solve it, those turbos may be in there yet.
Great links, thanks, and welcome to the board too.
Al.
By the way, since the Meteor is a gasoline engine, have you been thinking about ceramical coating? As far as I have understood, it could reduce the heat in the engine, since most of the produced heat would be extracted from the engine through the exhaust system. I understood they have been coating piston heads, combustion chambers, valves and vents to prevent the heat from absorbing into the cylinder block, deck and coolant system, and exhaust manifolds from the outside in order to reduce the heat radiating to the engine room. Of course I don't know better about this, but I've heard they've been doing this to dragster engines at least.
And I don't know how long-lasting the ceramical coating can be, but it might help with the heating-problem? Of course, it costs if you want it properly made..
And btw, sorry for my surely incorrect English
And I don't know how long-lasting the ceramical coating can be, but it might help with the heating-problem? Of course, it costs if you want it properly made..
And btw, sorry for my surely incorrect English
Gilran said:
And btw, sorry for my surely incorrect English
Your command of the language is a damn sight stronger than plenty of indigenous English posting on Pistonheads
No need to apologise!!! I'm not so sure of turbos on the Meteor... the engine has monster torque as it is, I'd have thought that a better tuning plan for a car application would be doing things to help the engine rev higher. It'd sound even more awesome if it could spin up a bit
Besides, heat problems due to the tight packaging could be made much worse with turbos. I would have thought that even ceramic coating would struggle against an engine of that size - it is going to need awesome amounts of cooling air anyway. My experience of big engines stops around the 5 litre mark though, so I'm no authority....
Gilran said:
By the way, since the Meteor is a gasoline engine, have you been thinking about ceramical coating? As far as I have understood, it could reduce the heat in the engine, since most of the produced heat would be extracted from the engine through the exhaust system. I understood they have been coating piston heads, combustion chambers, valves and vents to prevent the heat from absorbing into the cylinder block, deck and coolant system, and exhaust manifolds from the outside in order to reduce the heat radiating to the engine room. Of course I don't know better about this, but I've heard they've been doing this to dragster engines at least.
And I don't know how long-lasting the ceramical coating can be, but it might help with the heating-problem? Of course, it costs if you want it properly made..
And btw, sorry for my surely incorrect English
And I don't know how long-lasting the ceramical coating can be, but it might help with the heating-problem? Of course, it costs if you want it properly made..
And btw, sorry for my surely incorrect English
Your finely crafted prose does you credit sir.
2 things then. Firstly, the entire budget has to come in at under £10,000, which is one of the reasons its taken so long. And that means that every penny spent has to be done so, wisely. Which leads on to Point #2. I wonder if we'd get value for money from ceramic coating? Would it be able to cope with the Meteor, I wonder? If anyone has any experience of it, I'd be grateful for their thoughts. In all honesty, we haven't much thought about it, although the existing set up is pretty efficient.
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