Lorries to be banned from middle lane
Discussion
jeremyadamson said:
I'm actually surprised that more of the freight running on the roads during the day isn't transported over night. Surely it's miles better from the HGV driver's points of view for stress free, traffic free motoring. And the haulage company concerned is getting goods out to places in considerably less time, using less fuel and less wear on the vehicles.
The down side being unsociable hours for the drivers.....but I feel really sorry for these poor drivers that have to sit in traffic all day (rather than the hour a day that I do, which is maddening enough). Surely the haulage companies could organise things better with their clients?
This would only be of any benifit if the destination of the vehicle was actually open at the time of arrival, most are not. HGV vehicles are often cited as part of the problem, caused by other people. The ones that don't want delivery vehicles passing their houses, or clanking about at a delivery point at 3.00am. Hence the numerable envioromental constrants placed on opperators licences the lenght and breath of the country and the city centre bans such as the London lorry ban. Add to this the fact that HGV Drivers are a rare breed these days, the fact that the ones who are out there are amongst the highest paid in Europe, and the fact that they don't want to have to work all hours, and you have the flaws in your statement. How long will it yake for peolpe to realise that no lorries = nothing in the shops. If you bought it a lorry brought it. Although I am quite amazed to read the amount of supportive posts for HGVs.
This only makes sense on 2-lane mways as we havew in Germany, and then for only short stretches...as this makes a general speed limit as Mrs Numpty will then blcok at 101,99kph the outside lane as she's too scared to get back into the inside lane!!! However on 3-laners as in GB it's absolute nonsense!!!!
The Hauliers keep the country moving, NOT these socio-fascists in Shitehall!!!
The Hauliers keep the country moving, NOT these socio-fascists in Shitehall!!!
bor said:
The no overtaking rule is in force on the autobahn between Munich and Stutgart, at least in part. The ban is during daylight hours and is due to the hilly nature of the area and the limitations of a two lane road.
I have little sympathy for truck drivers. You have selfishly blocked motorways while they inch past each other. If they had some sympathy and co-operated with each other during the O/T, and the slower truck backed off for a couple of seconds, then it wouldn't be necessary to legislate against this type of driving.
It's your own fault.
Bollocks I drive a 38ton truck with 420hp which means it is quick up hill so when I come up behind a truck doing 35mph what am I meant to do hit it up the arse or overtake it, and why should he back off we are only allowed to work 15 hours a day and we have homes to go to.and when we get to the top of the hill the heavier vehicle will become quicker meaning it will go past the vehicle overtaking it,The only way round this is to do away with speed limiters.Why should I have a speed limiter when I do a 120000 miles a year when a 6000 mile a year sunday car driver doesn't have to have one.
Don't forget motoways were invented for the haulage industry.
>> Edited by raf dug on Sunday 5th December 12:53
bor said:
And before anyone posts that this is how it`s done in Germany - I know. I have spent many frustrating hours crawling along in a convoy stuck behind some piece of crap east european truck. The system doesn`t work!
Steve
It works if you are a car driver.
Truckers drive cars as well, what are you after some sort of aparthied against truckers?
Oh dear, another numpty idea, and it'll come to fruition, mark my words.
Speed limiters were asked for and brought in by numpties. They thought it would make things better, but as we all know, its made things worse, and more dangerous at that.
Even the title of this thread is wrong - because the original story is wrong. This isn't a ban on trucks in the middle lane, but in the right hand lane of certain 2 lane stretches. Nevertheless, the evening standard has printed the story and bu**er the facts. They've even ran a little poll, and all those numpties have voted on a ban for the MIDDLE lane. It shows they haven't a clue what they're talking about. The numpties have been in charge of the asylum for some time now.
Think about this hard, I reckon I can see motorways at a standstill, with no obvious reason for a holdup. Or I can see one lane of nose to tail traffic doing 35 mph being passed by traffic doing twice that speed. So a much bigger speed differential will occur. Is that safer?
The point of this idea seems to have come about to alleviate the dangers that have been introduced by speed limiters. So what was the point of speed limiters, precisely?
Another point. If you want to increase road capacity, a higher speed means you need longer gaps of empty road between the vehicles. If you actually want to increase the number of cars on a given stretch of road, you need to reduce the speed, not increase it. At the moment, the trucks are doing a good job of slowing average speeds down, thanks to their limiters.
So, if they want to increase the capacity, how will they achieve that by speeding up the flow of traffic?
And just one more thing: Comparing our situation with that on the continent doesn't work. In my hunble opinion, Europe isn't plagued by slow, thick numpty car drivers like we are. Next time you're in France, Germany, Italy ot wherever, see how often you see trucks passing cars. It hardly ever happens. But here, I'm having to pass cars all the time when in my truck, and they're a bigger bloody menace when I'm in my car 'cos I catch them up so much quicker.
Numpties will be the death of us all!
Speed limiters were asked for and brought in by numpties. They thought it would make things better, but as we all know, its made things worse, and more dangerous at that.
Even the title of this thread is wrong - because the original story is wrong. This isn't a ban on trucks in the middle lane, but in the right hand lane of certain 2 lane stretches. Nevertheless, the evening standard has printed the story and bu**er the facts. They've even ran a little poll, and all those numpties have voted on a ban for the MIDDLE lane. It shows they haven't a clue what they're talking about. The numpties have been in charge of the asylum for some time now.
Think about this hard, I reckon I can see motorways at a standstill, with no obvious reason for a holdup. Or I can see one lane of nose to tail traffic doing 35 mph being passed by traffic doing twice that speed. So a much bigger speed differential will occur. Is that safer?
The point of this idea seems to have come about to alleviate the dangers that have been introduced by speed limiters. So what was the point of speed limiters, precisely?
Another point. If you want to increase road capacity, a higher speed means you need longer gaps of empty road between the vehicles. If you actually want to increase the number of cars on a given stretch of road, you need to reduce the speed, not increase it. At the moment, the trucks are doing a good job of slowing average speeds down, thanks to their limiters.
So, if they want to increase the capacity, how will they achieve that by speeding up the flow of traffic?
And just one more thing: Comparing our situation with that on the continent doesn't work. In my hunble opinion, Europe isn't plagued by slow, thick numpty car drivers like we are. Next time you're in France, Germany, Italy ot wherever, see how often you see trucks passing cars. It hardly ever happens. But here, I'm having to pass cars all the time when in my truck, and they're a bigger bloody menace when I'm in my car 'cos I catch them up so much quicker.
Numpties will be the death of us all!
raf dug said:
Bollocks I drive a 38ton truck with 420hp which means it is quick up hill so when I come up behind a truck doing 35mph what am I meant to do hit it up the arse or overtake it, and why should he back off we are only allowed to work 15 hours a day and we have homes to go to.and when we get to the top of the hill the heavier vehicle will become quicker meaning it will go past the vehicle overtaking it,The only way round this is to do away with speed limiters.Why should I have a speed limiter when I do a 120000 miles a year when a 6000 mile a year sunday car driver doesn't have to have one.
Don't forget motoways were invented for the haulage industry.
>> Edited by raf dug on Sunday 5th December 12:53
Well double bollocks to you, Raf. Next time you're in your "Ferrari of trucks", stuck behind the "hyundai of trucks" slowly inching past "the Trabant of trucks", take a look in your mirror (it's that strange, rectangular thing with the reflective surface) and you'll see a rapidly growing line of cars stacking up as the trucks block what is meant to be a rapid highway system. As you have refused to drive with any sympathy for car users, you can't complain when we show no sympathy for you.
Motorways are not for the exclusive use of trucks.
Bor, I don't side with Rafs tone, but do yourself a favour. Do some research on our 'rapid highway system'. Check out the growth in numbers of cars in use to that of trucks in use, say over the last 30 years, and you'll find out who is really clogging up the system.
The highways are the arteries of the nation. The trucks are the corpuscles. Cars are the cholestrol.
The highways are the arteries of the nation. The trucks are the corpuscles. Cars are the cholestrol.
the answer in part is a simple one re-invent the railways that would help congestion no end, as for single lane use, it is in essence a good idea, the M6 through Lymm near me is a 3 lane motorway, but because of waggons it becomes a 1 lane motorway for 30 miles, it should also be considered that haulage companys operate at night..
can you imaging how the rush hour motorway would look if all the above were true..
yes we all need goods but there are ways of solving the problem, if the companys and authorities just get there heads together...think on..
can you imaging how the rush hour motorway would look if all the above were true..
yes we all need goods but there are ways of solving the problem, if the companys and authorities just get there heads together...think on..
bor said:
Bollocks I drive a 38ton truck with 420hp which means it is quick up hill so when I come up behind a truck doing 35mph what am I meant to do hit it up the arse or overtake it, and why should he back off we are only allowed to work 15 hours a day and we have homes to go to.and when we get to the top of the hill the heavier vehicle will become quicker meaning it will go past the vehicle overtaking it,The only way round this is to do away with speed limiters.Why should I have a speed limiter when I do a 120000 miles a year when a 6000 mile a year sunday car driver doesn't have to have one.
Don't forget motoways were invented for the haulage industry.
>> Edited by raf dug on Sunday 5th December 12:53
Well double bollocks to you, Raf. Next time you're in your "Ferrari of trucks", stuck behind the "hyundai of trucks" slowly inching past "the Trabant of trucks", take a look in your mirror (it's that strange, rectangular thing with the reflective surface) and you'll see a rapidly growing line of cars stacking up as the trucks block what is meant to be a rapid highway system. As you have refused to drive with any sympathy for car users, you can't complain when we show no sympathy for you.
Motorways are not for the exclusive use of trucks.
If your stuck behind a truck in the middle lane why would you not overtake it in the outside lane or would that involve too much intelligence.I am pissed off with cars flashing me in the middle lane when the outside lane is empty.(triple bollocks by the way
).bor said:
you'll see a rapidly growing line of cars stacking up
Come on, when I see a line of cars in the mirror, I look through the windscreen and see the line of cars stretching into the distance. I've never got an empty road in front of me.
I lose an hour a day due to the amount of cars on the road. Thats about £50 a day, to me. Work that one out. How much time does trucks cost you? 30 mins a week? What on earth are you complaining about? Whether I'm in the truck or car, there are slow moving numptie cars in the way all the while.
blockpower said:
the answer in part is a simple one re-invent the railways that would help congestion no end, as for single lane use, it is in essence a good idea, the M6 through Lymm near me is a 3 lane motorway, but because of waggons it becomes a 1 lane motorway for 30 miles, it should also be considered that haulage companys operate at night..
can you imaging how the rush hour motorway would look if all the above were true..
yes we all need goods but there are ways of solving the problem, if the companys and authorities just get there heads together...think on..
If you can think of a way of getting goods to and from the train without involving lorries, fair play. You'll be a rich man.
And don't forget - any past moves to increase road capacity has simply ended up with the new road/motorway, or extra lanes or whatever, just choked up with cars. Nothing makes any difference. We're a small country with too many people.
er, so occasionally a poorly timed overtaking manouver from a lorry can hold you up but in reality its every other nobber on the motorway that causes the tailback
just done 300 miles worth of motorway driving and spent most of my time either stuck behind someone doing 71mph in the outside lane* with lanes 2 and 3 clear except for that tiny dot on the horizon that could be a slow moving artic... or it could be a spec of dust on the windscreen
or i've been inadvertantly undertaking people as i use the lanes properly (ie keep left except overtaking) and invariably find lanes 1 and 2 to be much faster than lane 3, at one point on the M6 i was doing 90 in lane 1 when the cars were doing <60 in lane 3... with more people moving from lanes 1 and 2 into 3 as its "the overtaking lane"!!! jeez
*silver 406 managed from the M6 to kettering (where he turned off) on the A14 and only moved out of the outside lane once... despite not going as fast as the traffic infront (or going as fast as the traffic he's trying to overtake) or taking any notice of a variety of vehicles trying different methods to get passed...
just done 300 miles worth of motorway driving and spent most of my time either stuck behind someone doing 71mph in the outside lane* with lanes 2 and 3 clear except for that tiny dot on the horizon that could be a slow moving artic... or it could be a spec of dust on the windscreen
or i've been inadvertantly undertaking people as i use the lanes properly (ie keep left except overtaking) and invariably find lanes 1 and 2 to be much faster than lane 3, at one point on the M6 i was doing 90 in lane 1 when the cars were doing <60 in lane 3... with more people moving from lanes 1 and 2 into 3 as its "the overtaking lane"!!! jeez
*silver 406 managed from the M6 to kettering (where he turned off) on the A14 and only moved out of the outside lane once... despite not going as fast as the traffic infront (or going as fast as the traffic he's trying to overtake) or taking any notice of a variety of vehicles trying different methods to get passed...
2 Smokin Barrels said:
2 Smokin Barrels said:
Gazboy said:
How much does an unleaden 38-44 ton (when full) truck weigh- if you can see what I mean.
>> Edited by 2 Smokin Barrels on Monday 6th December 20:32
Oh, I've read it again. Tractor unit 5 tonnes? Empty trailer 2 tonnes? (Guess)
Err no, empty truck and flat bed trailer 13ton, empty truck and empty fridgefreezer trailer like mine is 15ton so a flat bed can carry 25 ton uther artics 23 ton.
Oh and most truckers do work in the middle of the night but you won't notice because on a typical 15 hour day I start at 1am and finsh at 4pm.
Whilst you are only allowed to drive 10 hours a day you can spread these hours over a 15 hour maximum.
>> Edited by raf dug on Monday 6th December 21:01
2 Smokin Barrels said:
Gazboy said:
How much does an unleaden 38-44 ton (when full) truck weigh- if you can see what I mean.
>> Edited by 2 Smokin Barrels on Monday 6th December 20:32
Oh, I've read it again. Tractor unit 5 tonnes? Empty trailer 2 tonnes? (Guess)
Tractor unit 7ton's trailer 8 tons.
blockpower said:
the answer in part is a simple one re-invent the railways that would help congestion no end,
Complete non starter since about 1950.
I seem to remember that it was a standard question in the 1970s 'O' level Geography exams to ask how & why roads are better than railways.
Try and keep up.
More freight on the railway? 
They can't manage to get people from one place to another on time or without crashing now! What chance have the got if the freight capacity were to increase!
Simple answer - All motorways to be Toll roads, that'd keep 'em clear! Ever been on the toll M6? No nor me! Traffics so light on there that they've even brought the price down.
>> Edited by Simonelite501 on Tuesday 7th December 23:59
They can't manage to get people from one place to another on time or without crashing now! What chance have the got if the freight capacity were to increase! Simple answer - All motorways to be Toll roads, that'd keep 'em clear! Ever been on the toll M6? No nor me! Traffics so light on there that they've even brought the price down.
>> Edited by Simonelite501 on Tuesday 7th December 23:59
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