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Oh goddammit, I didn't see RobDickinson's post!
Make that a few people's posts..oops
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Oh goddammit, I didn't see RobDickinson's post!
Make that a few people's posts..oops
Edited by lap_time on Tuesday 8th August 05:48
Edited by lap_time on Tuesday 8th August 05:52
eddy_hyde said:
alhuyshe said:
Nice car, but....
For me, the shame is the use of the V TEC engine. I find these 'two tone' engines irksome. There's a connection for me between torque and handling, in that in a car with a 'screaming engine', in order to have the best handling, you NEED to be in the power band. All very well for the track, but not realistic on a road you don't already intimately know.
Especially with today's engine management systems, surely it'd be better to have an engine with a decent spread of torque, so the car'll still have the power to handle effectively if you happen to be a grand or so short of the optimum power band revs?
It's what lets down the Toyota engined Elise for me - the need to keep it on the boil...
Grr,
guessing you dont get VTEC, especially i-VTEC
+ve
1)2 camshafts, low rpm for bottom end torque, equivalent to say a 2L Focus, and top end power similar to the clio 197. Compare the torque curve and you will see the !
2) 2 cam profiles means much better efficiency = better fuel efficiency
3) High revs=shorter gearing = more torque at the wheels ( A K20 type R motor has similar peak torque to a modern TDi at the wheels, which is where it matters)
Reving the nuts out of it is FUN, what do you want in a fast 2 seater sportscar, a diesel!
-ve
1) Ok due to optimising for peak power up high you do loose a bit of peak torque in the motor
2) you have to learn to change gear!
3) everyone thinks they are torqueless!!!!!
And stop comparing it to the Toyoto motor, which is very poorly finished, the i-VTEC is a lot more tractable, tunable and better geared!
I think they are fantastic little engines, love the wife's civic, and if I were to do another (smaller) project I think it would definitely be the engine of choice.
Seems like you don't know anything about the Honda K..Completely different beast than the Yota.
The honda K pulls all the way from 2k and up. It's about as flat a torque curve as you can get and great potential for tuning naturally aspirated. Honda k =
OKOK!! I haven't driven the civic. I have driven the S2000, and the Toyota engined Elise (and the 111S K series...) I found the S 2000 GREAT when everything was just right. The rest of the time/most of the time, it was frankly a bit mundane.....
I DO like changing gear, I DO like revving the nuts of a good engine. Lots.
And I hate diesels. Apart from the smell, they have such a NARROW power band. (And it's ALL low down....)
What I don't like is 'Jekyll and Hyde' motors. Engines with two power bands that are markedly different. Great for track work, where you know exactly what each corner's about to do. On an unknown road, or a road that I know but might have obstacles, I REALLY don't like it when I discover half way round that I ought to be in one gear lower as I flex my right foot and almost nothing happens. I don't get the grip to pull me on round. I get a choice in cars like this of either full on or gentle, nothing in between.
Full on's great, but I also like to live. Give me a bigger engine any day, as long as it's not stuck out the front Audi style. Fr'instance, I took a Cosworth 2 l turbo out of a sierra, and put in a Cosworth 2.9 24v normally asp. Same power, more torque, wider power band (nicer noise!). Not quite so good on the track (heavier engine), but better car on an the road. Much.
But if "The honda K pulls all the way from 2k and up. It's about as flat a torque curve as you can get " then OK!! I stand corrected. Guess I'd better go and drive one!
Thanks for the tip!
alhuyshe said:
Nice car, but....
For me, the shame is the use of the V TEC engine. I find these 'two tone' engines irksome. There's a connection for me between torque and handling, in that in a car with a 'screaming engine', in order to have the best handling, you NEED to be in the power band. All very well for the track, but not realistic on a road you don't already intimately know.
Especially with today's engine management systems, surely it'd be better to have an engine with a decent spread of torque, so the car'll still have the power to handle effectively if you happen to be a grand or so short of the optimum power band revs?
It's what lets down the Toyota engined Elise for me - the need to keep it on the boil...
Grr,
guessing you dont get VTEC, especially i-VTEC
+ve
1)2 camshafts, low rpm for bottom end torque, equivalent to say a 2L Focus, and top end power similar to the clio 197. Compare the torque curve and you will see the !
2) 2 cam profiles means much better efficiency = better fuel efficiency
3) High revs=shorter gearing = more torque at the wheels ( A K20 type R motor has similar peak torque to a modern TDi at the wheels, which is where it matters)
Reving the nuts out of it is FUN, what do you want in a fast 2 seater sportscar, a diesel!
-ve
1) Ok due to optimising for peak power up high you do loose a bit of peak torque in the motor
2) you have to learn to change gear!
3) everyone thinks they are torqueless!!!!!
And stop comparing it to the Toyoto motor, which is very poorly finished, the i-VTEC is a lot more tractable, tunable and better geared!
I think they are fantastic little engines, love the wife's civic, and if I were to do another (smaller) project I think it would definitely be the engine of choice.
Seems like you don't know anything about the Honda K..Completely different beast than the Yota.
The honda K pulls all the way from 2k and up. It's about as flat a torque curve as you can get and great potential for tuning naturally aspirated. Honda k =
OKOK!! I haven't driven the civic. I have driven the S2000, and the Toyota engined Elise (and the 111S K series...) I found the S 2000 GREAT when everything was just right. The rest of the time/most of the time, it was frankly a bit mundane.....
I DO like changing gear, I DO like revving the nuts of a good engine. Lots.
And I hate diesels. Apart from the smell, they have such a NARROW power band. (And it's ALL low down....)
What I don't like is 'Jekyll and Hyde' motors. Engines with two power bands that are markedly different. Great for track work, where you know exactly what each corner's about to do. On an unknown road, or a road that I know but might have obstacles, I REALLY don't like it when I discover half way round that I ought to be in one gear lower as I flex my right foot and almost nothing happens. I don't get the grip to pull me on round. I get a choice in cars like this of either full on or gentle, nothing in between.
Full on's great, but I also like to live. Give me a bigger engine any day, as long as it's not stuck out the front Audi style. Fr'instance, I took a Cosworth 2 l turbo out of a sierra, and put in a Cosworth 2.9 24v normally asp. Same power, more torque, wider power band (nicer noise!). Not quite so good on the track (heavier engine), but better car on an the road. Much.
But if "The honda K pulls all the way from 2k and up. It's about as flat a torque curve as you can get " then OK!! I stand corrected. Guess I'd better go and drive one!
Thanks for the tip!
Maybe I am like a lamb to slaughter but I feel I should put some of your comments and questions to rest about the Javan R1. Firstly, the R1 is indeed derived from the Strathcarron but has turned out to be different in every way apart from body mouldings. I bought the original production moulds and tooling after the demise of Strathcarron and own the interlectual property. Which brings me to your comments on the Marlin 5exi.. Marlin, like many kit car people, plagierise body shapes of other cars to save costs and Marlin presumably took moulds directly from an existing Strathcarron. Yes, the mouldings are identical to the Strathcarron/Javan R1 but Marlin made suble changes including (I think) Citroen AX headlamps and a different panel on the engine cover. However, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I wish them luck, but please, please dont confuse a kit car based on a scrap Rover with the Javan R1 of which every component is beautifully made, often machined out of solid billet aluminium in race car practise, with a monocoque in aircraft spec. epoxy bonded honeycomb. The Javan R1 is a racers car and those in the industry who have watched its progress have been delighted. I think I could buy 4 complete scrap Rovers for the price of (for instance)the braking system of the R1. So, it depends what you prefer, a donkey or a racehorse? Please fell free to email me if you have questions - Javan
Good on you for posting on here Javan taking on the Elise appears bold but you are offering an alternative, mind you the last chap "Joe90" I seem to remember got slaughtered because he was so arrogant, mind you his company and car sank without trace - remember the FBS (Future of British Sportscars) 
Edited by richb on Tuesday 8th August 10:53
G-27 said:
I also spoke to Javan at Goodwood FOS and he said that Marlin had copied the Strathcarron without his authority. Javan owns the rights to the Strathcarron shape and Marlin doesn't.
Have a look at www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=712
Have a look at www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=712
That's what I suspected and ties in well with the frosty reception my innocent question got from the Marlin MD. Marlin were insistant that it was their shape and that the "outline" was the only resemblance to the SC.
are there not design students who could design a real showstopper body for these cars. Im sure they would jump at the chance. IMHO, i think the shape is awkward. Engine choice is inspired though, but at that price, i'd expect the engine to be seriously worked and showing a better than 220 stock output.
I wish you luck old bean, but your going to have to do better to convice elise/noble/and other low volume but well regarded marques, owners to purchase one.
I wish you luck old bean, but your going to have to do better to convice elise/noble/and other low volume but well regarded marques, owners to purchase one.
javanR1 said:
Maybe I am like a lamb to slaughter but I feel I should put some of your comments and questions to rest about the Javan R1. Firstly, the R1 is indeed derived from the Strathcarron but has turned out to be different in every way apart from body mouldings. I bought the original production moulds and tooling after the demise of Strathcarron and own the interlectual property. - Javan
Javan,
If you own the intellectual rights to the Strathcarron, where does Martin Miles, fit in. As far as I am aware he has put considerable effort into the MK2 Strathcarron over the last couple of years using the same body shape and construction as your R1.
Something doesnt add up??
JP
The main problem I see here has been overlooked, the Elise, Ginetta etc. all have roofs and doors and boots. This car has none of the above, it would be more appropriate to call it a 'four-wheeled motorbike' than a car...
Not to say that I don't like it, I like the Brooke Double-R, just don't think I'd ever buy one as it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO impractical it's just pointless for me.
Fox
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Not to say that I don't like it, I like the Brooke Double-R, just don't think I'd ever buy one as it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO impractical it's just pointless for me.
Fox
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I don;t believe this competes with the Elise, which you would have as an every day car. More logical to see this as like the Atom - a fun weekend car and track day missile which is just a tad more comfortable to pilot.
I always liked the concept of the Strathcarron. I wish Javan well. A tad peculiar that he should change the WHOLE car but then retain the bodywork, the one thing linking it to a cheaper rival (5exi) and open to the criticisms levelled at Strathcarron.
Anyone remember the Lightning, planned successor to the LCC Rocket? Now THAT would be a nice range topper... ;-)
This one is for JP who is having a problem adding things up!!!! I have been told that Martin Miles is a great enthusiast and was an investor in Strathcarron. He bought the entire contents of the factory together with the Strathcarron name from the receiver, which included (I believe) 4 or 5 cars in process of construction - Martin turned down moulds and tooling etc so I bought the moulds and tooling at a later date - end of story, nothing more to tell.
Got to say I love the "New Supercar Company" setup form, also would like to put my name down as an advisor on the any car builder type soap opera program. The IP issues of doing this stuff make most people lose the will to live!
Anyone doing a sweepstake of when any of this Kit hits ebay? No seriously good luck.
Nice looking little car but looks like its aimed squarly at Elise customers.
May suffer the same sort of marketing problems as the Renault Sport spyder.
Have fun
Joe T
Anyone doing a sweepstake of when any of this Kit hits ebay? No seriously good luck.
Nice looking little car but looks like its aimed squarly at Elise customers.
May suffer the same sort of marketing problems as the Renault Sport spyder.
Have fun
Joe T
javanR1 said:
This one is for JP who is having a problem adding things up!!!! I have been told that Martin Miles is a great enthusiast and was an investor in Strathcarron. He bought the entire contents of the factory together with the Strathcarron name from the receiver, which included (I believe) 4 or 5 cars in process of construction - Martin turned down moulds and tooling etc so I bought the moulds and tooling at a later date - end of story, nothing more to tell.
Have I touched a nerve here? wasnt intential, just interested. I wish you all the best. As I have one of the original strathcarrons and whilst it has it's faults I love its engineering and design. But was a bit dissapointed to see the Marlin version
Serious question though, what are the chances of you being able to supply body panels? As mine is mainly used on track, it is worrying as to what I would do in the event of me even tapping a barrier.
Again, I wish you all the best, as always the car / design looks great.
JP
javanR1 said:
Thanks for that, I would never have guessed!!
Don't take it all so personal, some people have a bit trouble to say things in other ways, we all love cars, we don't all may have the same taste's
I like the alu chassis set up, and ofcorse your excelent choice of the Honda engine, wich can easely be tuned with a SC to 300hp or I've heard about a rotrex version of 360hp anyway, I love to have a go in such lightweight car, the shape is so so though I think you soon forget, I also like the dash, nice dials
and stearingwheel... Is there also some sort of roof or hardtop?
anyway, wish you lots of luck with the car! remember its not a kitcar so even better.
GTRene
this view I like also very much;
and the nice dash;
Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 8th August 18:15
Hi JP. No, you did not hit a nerve at all but I am just amazed at the content of these discussions and what comes out the woodwork. I have never been involved in one before (but this is kinda personal!) Good to hear from a Strathcarron owner and would love to discuus the ups and downs you have had (remember that I have a 1000 miler). As I have the production moulds of course panels are not a problem - in fact I have quite a lot in stock. I also have several front and rear Strathcarron subframes in stock in case any damage is a little more serious! You (as is anyone by appointment) are welcome in our small factory if ever in the Cornish badlands!!
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