Citroen Saxo VTR/VTS

[anonymous-user]

FreeLitres said:

Wow - reading this thread could almost make you believe that a VTS is a fast car.

It's a relatively tunable 16V engine in a lightweight shell when compared to modern day warmhatches - What's not to like?

The point of these cars isn't really to be "fast" but to feel it. My 16V 205 only kicks out about 160BHP, but with the close ratio box and lightweight shell low down acceleration it feels manic. I often have my kidneys relocated by riding shotgun in 552BHP Bentleys and they don't 'feel' nearly as fast as my little pug. Although I'm under no illusion that a Conti GT would not utterly destroy my 205, the sense of speed with a rattly French hatch with a modest amount of power can only really be rivalled by a kit car or superbike.

Edited by Simps on Monday 28th December 20:30

[PaulGT3]

Why are people suggesting VTR's as fun cars when VTS's exist?

A VTR is for 17-19 year olds who can't afford to insure a VTS or for someone wanting a cheap economical car to nip to the shops in.

I have had many many Saxos, too many to admit to thats for sure including 90BHP VTR's, 98BHP VTR's and VTS's. The difference between the VTR's is very very very minimal. Performance is almost identical. FYI the 98BHP cars were introduced in late 2000-X registration easily identified by 3 plug ecu and cat in manifold. This lack of performance is mainly due to the horrifically long gearbox fitted to all VTR models, coupled to an engine that runs out of puff around the 5500rpm mark makes the car a little uninspiring to drive.

The VTS even in standard form is not a bad hot hatch, with a rev-happy engine and a close ratio gearbox. The VTS is 2 seconds quicker to 60, around 10 seconds quicker to 100 and due to gearbox, revs, power is a lot more satisfying to hammer round the lanes. If modifying a VTS on a budget the best mods are 4 branch manifold, decat and 206 GTI 266mm brakes. With a larger budget bilstein shocks, stiffer springs, 4 pot brakes and 2.25" bore exhaust. A step further would be catcam 708/newman ph3 camshafts and remap giving 155-160bhp, along with giving the car a healthy diet this gets the car close to 200bhp/ton making it a very fun car indeed. I miss mine and certainly no VTR comes close, if insurance/running costs are an issue chose an s1 106 xsi/rallye - a mere 100ish bhp but miles of smiles.

[B'stard Child]

Insert obvious troll is obvious here

[Lefty Two Drams]

mr confused said:

0-60 in 9.1 is not slow from a 1.6 8v. That is a quick time and with a K&N filter & full exhaust system ya looking at 8 seconds flat , and u have to remember the light shell gives u the feel of going triple the speed so that in itself makes it quick. It doesn't accelerate like my bike does but it still feels quick when i drive it and my bike hits 100mph 2 seconds before my vtr hits 60mph , so please 250bhp cars don't impress me i got A on my licence no car will catch me on my rocket.

9.1 seconds is perfectly reasonable for a 1.6l shopping car but surely you don't think it's fast?

[B'stard Child]

mr confused said:

B'stard Child said:

Insert obvious troll is obvious here

Yeah why don't u leave troll.

I'm pleased you are settling in so well but I feel you time here may be brief

[Emubiker]

obv it is aint it! its quicker than what uv got kid


nothing like a good saxo thread to show up the fools

[PaulGT3]

mr confused said:

What a load of bks hahaha 100bhp vtr hardly quicker than 90bhp? VTS 10 seconds quicker to 100mph WTF??? so a VTS is 10 seconds quicker than a Fiesta ST to 100mph? i raced loads of them and the stock ones are no quicker from 10mph to 100mph so don't try and bullst me kid with the vts in a different league story , u can kid yourself all u like but bullst get's proved in reality not some stupid forum full of coke addicts. Only thing better on VTS is the ABS brakes , vtr has the more reliable engine and less faults and no dodgy alarm system that keeps going off and better equipment like a glovebox , nice black seats not grey , better looking alloys and 42mpg . 7 mph on top speed is hardly noticeable is it? oh i bet i get story's now saying vts does 140mph LOL.

I really couldn't care less, I haven't owned either in years. I have no bias, just stating facts. Both VTR's have the same gearbox, same weight, same powerband but a mere 8bhp difference. It's nothing at all.

I didn't say anything about a Fiesta ST as I have no experience with them. I agree the VTR has the bulletproof engine, non-dodgy idle, non weird faults, no alarm faults (although just cut wires to ultrasonics sorts alarm going off) and nicer black interior. Yes the VTR is a lot easier on fuel and insurance. Alloys are personal preference of course and the 97-98 VTS came with VTR alloys anyway. I also said nothing about top speed because lets face it who cares, you'll only get banned anyway.

However the VTS is a league above, its faster all round not only due to the 22-30bhp advantage but the larger powerband, more revs and mainly the sport-ratio gearbox. Not forgetting the more tunable engine.

And before you take this the wrong way, this is no indication of a standard VTS but 140mph VTS you say? Hmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptsAIuaudDI that was mine from a steady cruise in 4th at 70 to the near enough top speed.

[slipstream 1985]

i thought a closer 0-60 time for a vts was 7.0 seconds.



btw why is there a power ranger getting all stroppy about saxo's?
0-100mph in 2 seconds on a bike really?? (genuinly dont know but sceptical at that time)

Edited by slipstream 1985 on Monday 28th December 21:55

[Luke.]

mr confused said:

and i could name at least 50 cars from 1.8 to 2.5L that have worse 0-60 time than a vtr.

Cool, looking forward to the list.

[Lefty Two Drams]

fk me, the school holidays always throw up some good entertainment here eh?

[Emubiker]

mr confused said:

That youtube video doesn't prove a thing , car speedos are out by 10% by law so ya not getting a true reading. also that speedo looked doddy as wel And you could not see the road you was on so all i know u could of been going down a hill But nice try.

Please show me this "law" which you are reffering to. I would go and look myself but i dont posses a copy of "Mr confused's heard it said a few times so must be law"

perhaps a change of name would be appropriate. I nominate Mr Delusional

[Emubiker]

mr confused said:

why don't u just fking google the bd, seriously is that too hard for you.

I would but they also dont have your book

but it does throw this up:

"Modern speedometers are said to be accurate within 10% but as this is legislated accuracy"

this means they must be *within* the 10% not be deliberatly out by it.

Edited by Emubiker on Monday 28th December 22:17

[Mr. Potato Head]

mr confused said:

reality is fabrication stuff is sometimes bullst

Genius.

[FreeLitres]

mr confused said:

...I never said the vtr was fast , quick and fast are 2 different things ...

So the vtr is quick, but not fast?

What about the vts? Quick AND fast? Or fast but not quick?

[B'stard Child]

mr confused said:

i driven both cars u have not so until u do son u better be quite.

How

mr confused said:

i know what speed is , i got a superbike , boys.

Not

mr confused said:

I don't lie boy , my car and bike are on youtube and no im not 13 but almost 25 so again like the rest don't have a clue what u r on.

To

mr confused said:

all u know is st. Just install a zipper around ya mouth so that way no1 will have to listen to you.

Win

mr confused said:

And the difference in my bike's power to weight ratio is bigger than your total power of ya silly track car so what , a saxo 1.6 is a quick car and any normal human being will tell you they are quick cars , stop with the hate.

Friends

mr confused said:

so please 250bhp cars don't impress me i got A on my licence no car will catch me on my rocket.

And

mr confused said:

u can kid yourself all u like but bulls t get's proved in reality not some stupid forum full of coke addicts

Influence

mr confused said:

why don't u just fking google the bd, seriously is that too hard for you.

People

[Emubiker]

mr confused said:

...I never said the vtr was fast , quick and fast are 2 different things ...

this is also odd....

the free dictionary describes quick as :

"Moving or functioning rapidly and energetically; speedy"

and fast as:
"Acting, moving, or capable of acting or moving quickly"

so fast = quick
and quick = rapid

i would also say that moving "rapidly" would be at a greater pace than "quickly", so the slower vtr although being slower than the vtr is actually the rapid one while the faster vts is only quick.

(yes now im just stiriing, but confused is confused by many things it seems so throwing this in too couldnt doo too much damage.) Its also helping me to laugh this evening

Edited by Emubiker on Monday 28th December 22:30

[adycav]

mr confused - you appear to have the most appropriate PH username since the legendary 'utterly clueless'.

[sleeper88]

Lets see how long he lasts.

[KB_S1]

sleeper88 said:

Lets see how long he lasts.

I am just surprised he can type anything given there must be restraints involved somewhere.
I think there was even a proper sentence in one post.

Though I may have imagined that bit.

[Yodafone]

mr confused said:

what are you laughing at yourself? cause u talk utter bks m8 Quick is quick and fast is fast , u can copy and paste st from free dictionary's all you like but it doesn't mean it is factual , those sites smoke more coke than the idiots on this forum.

From The Compact Oxford English Dictionary (also searchable on the web), if it helps.

quick

• adjective 1 moving fast. 2 lasting or taking a short time: a quick worker. 3 with little or no delay; prompt. 4 intelligent. 5 (of a person’s eye or ear) keenly perceptive. 6 (of temper) easily roused.

• noun 1 (the quick) the tender flesh below the growing part of a fingernail or toenail. 2 the central or most sensitive part: his laughter cut us to the quick. 3 as plural noun the quick archaic those who are living.



fast1

• adjective 1 moving or capable of moving at high speed. 2 taking place or acting rapidly. 3 (of a clock or watch) ahead of the correct time. 4 firmly fixed or attached. 5 (of a dye) not fading in light or when washed. 6 (of photographic film) needing only a short exposure. 7 involving exciting or shocking activities.

• adverb 1 at high speed. 2 within a short time. 3 so as to be hard to move; firmly or securely. 4 so as to be hard to wake.