RE: Wash and wax, sir?
Discussion
I cant beleave the comments some people are making about this blokes work.
I dont know him and havent seen any of his work, but his website and comments from others that have used him speak volumes!!!
If I could afford it I would love to have him come round and do my car.
Detailing isnt easy to get perfect, I know as im trying lol.
Starting up my own valeting buisness soon as its a job I really enjoy doing and hope that i can get as near to Pauls standards as possible in the future.
I dont know him and havent seen any of his work, but his website and comments from others that have used him speak volumes!!!
If I could afford it I would love to have him come round and do my car.
Detailing isnt easy to get perfect, I know as im trying lol.
Starting up my own valeting buisness soon as its a job I really enjoy doing and hope that i can get as near to Pauls standards as possible in the future.
domster said:
An outrageous amount of money for a jacked-up, bucket-and-sponge white van man.
"The views of philistines on art are incalculably stupid."
Oscar Wilde
Precisely. Some of the comments on here by supposedly knowledgable car lovers beggar belief. Some of you guys obviously wouldn't know what turtlewax was if you tripped over it, let alone a reasonable car detailer with polishes. Paul is the schumacher of detailing. That's all you need to know. Muppets!
Cheers,
Steve
>> Edited by Fat Audi 80 on Monday 20th February 20:53
I can't help thinking now that the cheaper detailing is not as good as it is portrayed. I've been considering letting Paul do my 35 year old Capri which has lovely paint. Am I now to assume that for it to be tip top I need to pay £5k?
It's a bit of a catch 20, either the cheaper detailing is so good that you don't need to pay £5k, or the 'pinnacle' detail is so much better than the cheaper ones that you need to pay the £5k to get a proper finish. It's almost parodoxical.
It's a bit of a catch 20, either the cheaper detailing is so good that you don't need to pay £5k, or the 'pinnacle' detail is so much better than the cheaper ones that you need to pay the £5k to get a proper finish. It's almost parodoxical.
moleamol said:
I can't help thinking now that the cheaper detailing is not as good as it is portrayed. I've been considering letting Paul do my 35 year old Capri which has lovely paint. Am I now to assume that for it to be tip top I need to pay £5k?
It's a bit of a catch 20, either the cheaper detailing is so good that you don't need to pay £5k, or the 'pinnacle' detail is so much better than the cheaper ones that you need to pay the £5k to get a proper finish. It's almost parodoxical.
It doesn't quite work like that.
The Pinnacle detail is really the ultimate showcase for Paul's talents, but he can do as little or as much as required. The cost of the Pinnacle really comes from the extensive paint correction processes applied and the time taken to put multiple layers of Royale on the car - it takes a long time to apply, a long time to cure, then a long time to reapply etc.
One coat of Vintage would have most cars looking pretty good and it wouldn't take as long. Plus if your paint doesn't need correcting, you wouldn't have to pay for it.
I know what you mean. You can get some lovely finishes with some middle ground type products such as Meguiars and even AutoGlym if you can put up with the dust.
Its just that if you have "swirls" or "cobwebs" in the paint or clearcoat, nothing short of a random action orbital sander will get rid of it. Its buying that and learning to use it that's the difficult part. You cannot get a perfect finish unless you are able to rectify paint defects to start with.
Don't get me wrong I am not doing down Pauls work, he is an expert using his own talent and experience plus the most expensive waxing products in the world, hence the cost.
You could do it for yourself but you need to spend a few hundred quid on the right tools and then learn...
Cheers,
Steve
Its just that if you have "swirls" or "cobwebs" in the paint or clearcoat, nothing short of a random action orbital sander will get rid of it. Its buying that and learning to use it that's the difficult part. You cannot get a perfect finish unless you are able to rectify paint defects to start with.
Don't get me wrong I am not doing down Pauls work, he is an expert using his own talent and experience plus the most expensive waxing products in the world, hence the cost.
You could do it for yourself but you need to spend a few hundred quid on the right tools and then learn...
Cheers,
Steve
I simply cannot believe some of the posts on here! I was recommended to have a look when I had time as I was told it was all about people who had a passion for cars.
I have a detailing business in sunny Cornwall and find it hard to believe that people cannot comprehend the difference between a jetwash and a complete detail. The hours involved and the painstaking attention to detail. As well as hard learned techniques and globally sourced products to achieve the best posssible finish. I pride myself on the service I am able to offer. Like some have said when you divide the hours involved, all the associated overheads [lots of these I can assure you] it is a fair service price. I admit my charges are not any where near as Pauls but you have to hand it to him he has a market who want his services-so fair play!
Someone said that it is not a dark art that is unachievable by Joe Bloggs. Well thats a bit like saying they could have been a brain surgeon if they had not slacked at school! Come on get real!
We don't say well I could do my own dentistry or sculpt an amazing piece of art if I had a spare 10 minutes do we. Respect this as you would any other profession, as most of us have perfected are passion over many more years than it take to qualify as a doctor.
A detail is slightly different to having a spotty youth scratch your car up with a yard brush and a caustic paint drying chemical on a sunday for a tenner!
It's as different as chalk and cheese.
Kind regards
Dave
Autoshine
I have a detailing business in sunny Cornwall and find it hard to believe that people cannot comprehend the difference between a jetwash and a complete detail. The hours involved and the painstaking attention to detail. As well as hard learned techniques and globally sourced products to achieve the best posssible finish. I pride myself on the service I am able to offer. Like some have said when you divide the hours involved, all the associated overheads [lots of these I can assure you] it is a fair service price. I admit my charges are not any where near as Pauls but you have to hand it to him he has a market who want his services-so fair play!
Someone said that it is not a dark art that is unachievable by Joe Bloggs. Well thats a bit like saying they could have been a brain surgeon if they had not slacked at school! Come on get real!
We don't say well I could do my own dentistry or sculpt an amazing piece of art if I had a spare 10 minutes do we. Respect this as you would any other profession, as most of us have perfected are passion over many more years than it take to qualify as a doctor.
A detail is slightly different to having a spotty youth scratch your car up with a yard brush and a caustic paint drying chemical on a sunday for a tenner!
It's as different as chalk and cheese.
Kind regards
Dave
Autoshine
Autoshine said:
I simply cannot believe some of the posts on here! I was recommended to have a look when I had time as I was told it was all about people who had a passion for cars.
I have a detailing business in sunny Cornwall and find it hard to believe that people cannot comprehend the difference between a jetwash and a complete detail. The hours involved and the painstaking attention to detail. As well as hard learned techniques and globally sourced products to achieve the best posssible finish. I pride myself on the service I am able to offer. Like some have said when you divide the hours involved, all the associated overheads [lots of these I can assure you] it is a fair service price. I admit my charges are not any where near as Pauls but you have to hand it to him he has a market who want his services-so fair play!
Someone said that it is not a dark art that is unachievable by Joe Bloggs. Well thats a bit like saying they could have been a brain surgeon if they had not slacked at school! Come on get real!
We don't say well I could do my own dentistry or sculpt an amazing piece of art if I had a spare 10 minutes do we. Respect this as you would any other profession, as most of us have perfected are passion over many more years than it take to qualify as a doctor.
A detail is slightly different to having a spotty youth scratch your car up with a yard brush and a caustic paint drying chemical on a sunday for a tenner!
It's as different as chalk and cheese.
Kind regards
Dave
Autoshine
I think most people here are intelligent enough to realise that a £5 'hand car wash' is a bit different to a full detail. However, comparing it to being a brain surgeon or a doctor? In your own words 'get real!'.I have a detailing business in sunny Cornwall and find it hard to believe that people cannot comprehend the difference between a jetwash and a complete detail. The hours involved and the painstaking attention to detail. As well as hard learned techniques and globally sourced products to achieve the best posssible finish. I pride myself on the service I am able to offer. Like some have said when you divide the hours involved, all the associated overheads [lots of these I can assure you] it is a fair service price. I admit my charges are not any where near as Pauls but you have to hand it to him he has a market who want his services-so fair play!
Someone said that it is not a dark art that is unachievable by Joe Bloggs. Well thats a bit like saying they could have been a brain surgeon if they had not slacked at school! Come on get real!
We don't say well I could do my own dentistry or sculpt an amazing piece of art if I had a spare 10 minutes do we. Respect this as you would any other profession, as most of us have perfected are passion over many more years than it take to qualify as a doctor.
A detail is slightly different to having a spotty youth scratch your car up with a yard brush and a caustic paint drying chemical on a sunday for a tenner!
It's as different as chalk and cheese.
Kind regards
Dave
Autoshine
moleamol said:
Autoshine said:
I simply cannot believe some of the posts on here! I was recommended to have a look when I had time as I was told it was all about people who had a passion for cars.
I have a detailing business in sunny Cornwall and find it hard to believe that people cannot comprehend the difference between a jetwash and a complete detail. The hours involved and the painstaking attention to detail. As well as hard learned techniques and globally sourced products to achieve the best posssible finish. I pride myself on the service I am able to offer. Like some have said when you divide the hours involved, all the associated overheads [lots of these I can assure you] it is a fair service price. I admit my charges are not any where near as Pauls but you have to hand it to him he has a market who want his services-so fair play!
Someone said that it is not a dark art that is unachievable by Joe Bloggs. Well thats a bit like saying they could have been a brain surgeon if they had not slacked at school! Come on get real!
We don't say well I could do my own dentistry or sculpt an amazing piece of art if I had a spare 10 minutes do we. Respect this as you would any other profession, as most of us have perfected are passion over many more years than it take to qualify as a doctor.
A detail is slightly different to having a spotty youth scratch your car up with a yard brush and a caustic paint drying chemical on a sunday for a tenner!
It's as different as chalk and cheese.
Kind regards
Dave
Autoshine
I think most people here are intelligent enough to realise that a £5 'hand car wash' is a bit different to a full detail. However, comparing it to being a brain surgeon or a doctor? In your own words 'get real!'.I have a detailing business in sunny Cornwall and find it hard to believe that people cannot comprehend the difference between a jetwash and a complete detail. The hours involved and the painstaking attention to detail. As well as hard learned techniques and globally sourced products to achieve the best posssible finish. I pride myself on the service I am able to offer. Like some have said when you divide the hours involved, all the associated overheads [lots of these I can assure you] it is a fair service price. I admit my charges are not any where near as Pauls but you have to hand it to him he has a market who want his services-so fair play!
Someone said that it is not a dark art that is unachievable by Joe Bloggs. Well thats a bit like saying they could have been a brain surgeon if they had not slacked at school! Come on get real!
We don't say well I could do my own dentistry or sculpt an amazing piece of art if I had a spare 10 minutes do we. Respect this as you would any other profession, as most of us have perfected are passion over many more years than it take to qualify as a doctor.
A detail is slightly different to having a spotty youth scratch your car up with a yard brush and a caustic paint drying chemical on a sunday for a tenner!
It's as different as chalk and cheese.
Kind regards
Dave
Autoshine
I understand (some) of your sentiments but mangaged this all on my own:
Edited by Fat Audi 80 on Monday 21st August 11:45
moleamol said:
Autoshine said:
I simply cannot believe some of the posts on here! I was recommended to have a look when I had time as I was told it was all about people who had a passion for cars.
I have a detailing business in sunny Cornwall and find it hard to believe that people cannot comprehend the difference between a jetwash and a complete detail. The hours involved and the painstaking attention to detail. As well as hard learned techniques and globally sourced products to achieve the best posssible finish. I pride myself on the service I am able to offer. Like some have said when you divide the hours involved, all the associated overheads [lots of these I can assure you] it is a fair service price. I admit my charges are not any where near as Pauls but you have to hand it to him he has a market who want his services-so fair play!
Someone said that it is not a dark art that is unachievable by Joe Bloggs. Well thats a bit like saying they could have been a brain surgeon if they had not slacked at school! Come on get real!
We don't say well I could do my own dentistry or sculpt an amazing piece of art if I had a spare 10 minutes do we. Respect this as you would any other profession, as most of us have perfected are passion over many more years than it take to qualify as a doctor.
A detail is slightly different to having a spotty youth scratch your car up with a yard brush and a caustic paint drying chemical on a sunday for a tenner!
It's as different as chalk and cheese.
Kind regards
Dave
Autoshine
I think most people here are intelligent enough to realise that a £5 'hand car wash' is a bit different to a full detail. However, comparing it to being a brain surgeon or a doctor? In your own words 'get real!'.I have a detailing business in sunny Cornwall and find it hard to believe that people cannot comprehend the difference between a jetwash and a complete detail. The hours involved and the painstaking attention to detail. As well as hard learned techniques and globally sourced products to achieve the best posssible finish. I pride myself on the service I am able to offer. Like some have said when you divide the hours involved, all the associated overheads [lots of these I can assure you] it is a fair service price. I admit my charges are not any where near as Pauls but you have to hand it to him he has a market who want his services-so fair play!
Someone said that it is not a dark art that is unachievable by Joe Bloggs. Well thats a bit like saying they could have been a brain surgeon if they had not slacked at school! Come on get real!
We don't say well I could do my own dentistry or sculpt an amazing piece of art if I had a spare 10 minutes do we. Respect this as you would any other profession, as most of us have perfected are passion over many more years than it take to qualify as a doctor.
A detail is slightly different to having a spotty youth scratch your car up with a yard brush and a caustic paint drying chemical on a sunday for a tenner!
It's as different as chalk and cheese.
Kind regards
Dave
Autoshine
What I said was that people are saying that what we do is not a mystical art. I agree anyone with an eye for detail and years of experience could do it. But as with anything there is a huge amount of natural ability that allows one person to do something better than another-thats just life!!!! So if people realise there is a difference between a jet wash and a detail why are people happy with the former?
I don't think you read my post correctly as I did not say that I was comparing what we do to a brain surgeon. What was implied was that if people think what we do is bung some turtle wax on and chuck a bucket and sponge at it. That is like me saying well if only I had got my Biology nailed at school I could have been one. Which is I agree tosh.
I simply don't understand the thinking behind buying an expensive motor and then putting it through the scratch machine on a Sunday!
I simply don't understand the thinking behind buying an expensive motor and then putting it through the scratch machine on a Sunday!
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