Motorist is banned over speed trap alert
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I complained about this to the police. Got this reply after they tried suggesting that it wasn't the police but the safety camera partnership that had him. (As if there's any difference !)
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The pensioner was not arrested but reported for summons by a police
officer from the Force Roads' Policing Unit at Farnborough. This Unit
lodges at Farnborough Police Station and acts in partnership with the
the Safety Camera Partnership for speed enforcement issues. It is not
under my control but that of Supt Bradford, thus I have described the
incident as not a local matter.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
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Sounds like a fair and square buck passing exercise with a bit of damage limitation attempted too. It's still the police who have harrased this old pensioner to a state where he now doesn't even want to hear from us with some money, doesn't matter who they report to, they're still the same.
Have to see what the scamera partnership have to say but I doubt they'll even bother replying, I'm not expecting anything.
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The pensioner was not arrested but reported for summons by a police
officer from the Force Roads' Policing Unit at Farnborough. This Unit
lodges at Farnborough Police Station and acts in partnership with the
the Safety Camera Partnership for speed enforcement issues. It is not
under my control but that of Supt Bradford, thus I have described the
incident as not a local matter.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
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Sounds like a fair and square buck passing exercise with a bit of damage limitation attempted too. It's still the police who have harrased this old pensioner to a state where he now doesn't even want to hear from us with some money, doesn't matter who they report to, they're still the same.
Have to see what the scamera partnership have to say but I doubt they'll even bother replying, I'm not expecting anything.
update on what's going on...
www.shstar.co.uk/story.asp?intid=2069
LOCAL NEWS://
LORDS DEBATE SPEED TRAP MARTYR CASE - by PAT FRANKLIN
Concern over the A325 “speed trap martyr”, Stuart Harding, has gone all the way to the House of Lords.
Aldershot MP Gerald Howarth was showing some visitors round the Palace of Westminster last week, and when he took them into the Lords’ chamber he was surprised to hear the Harding case being discussed.
Mr Harding, a pensioner, was banned from driving for 28 days and ordered to pay costs of £364 after holding up a placard along the A325 Farnborough Road warning drivers to slow down for the 30mph speed trap.
Several members of the Lords questioned the new power given to magistrates to ban people from driving for non-motoring offences.
Baroness Anelay of St Johns said: “My Lords, if it is the Government’s intention that people such as Mr Harding should be prosecuted for warning others that there is a speed trap, what is their view of the criminality or otherwise of the West Midlands police, who have been working with local councils across their area to produce a CD-ROM for use by the public, specifically so that the police can tell the public the exact location of each and every speed trap in their area?”
Former Chancellor Nigel Lawson, now Lord Lawson of Blaby, added: “How can it be right that it is sensible for the police to warn about speed traps to deter drivers from driving too fast, yet it is apparently an offence for a private individual to warn of a speed trap?”
Viscount Falkland waded in with the comment that “to the man or woman in the street – or even to a child – the handing out of driving bans for offences that are not connected with driving seems to lack one of the main elements of natural justice…”
He said: “Could the minister (Baroness Scotland of Asthal) allay the fears of the House and the general public by confirming that this is not the thin end of the wedge and that young people will not have to look forward to a future when they will receive driving bans for not separating their rubbish or for smoking in public places?”
But ex-Labour MP Dale Campbell-Savours, now Lord Campbell-Savours, spoke in favour of the new power and said “a very large body of public opinion is highly supportive” of using driving bans instead of fines, which were often not paid.
The Minister, Baroness Scotland, said the power to slap a driving ban on anyone convicted of an offence was granted in 2000 and “may be seen as an additional deterrent in the context of anti-social behaviour, environmental crime and other offences when a case has a link to the use of vehicles, such as kerb crawling.”
She said it was entirely up to the discretion of the judge or magistrate to impose a driving ban. “The sentence is available to the court if the court deems it appropriate for that particular offender
www.shstar.co.uk/story.asp?intid=2069
LOCAL NEWS://
LORDS DEBATE SPEED TRAP MARTYR CASE - by PAT FRANKLIN
Concern over the A325 “speed trap martyr”, Stuart Harding, has gone all the way to the House of Lords.
Aldershot MP Gerald Howarth was showing some visitors round the Palace of Westminster last week, and when he took them into the Lords’ chamber he was surprised to hear the Harding case being discussed.
Mr Harding, a pensioner, was banned from driving for 28 days and ordered to pay costs of £364 after holding up a placard along the A325 Farnborough Road warning drivers to slow down for the 30mph speed trap.
Several members of the Lords questioned the new power given to magistrates to ban people from driving for non-motoring offences.
Baroness Anelay of St Johns said: “My Lords, if it is the Government’s intention that people such as Mr Harding should be prosecuted for warning others that there is a speed trap, what is their view of the criminality or otherwise of the West Midlands police, who have been working with local councils across their area to produce a CD-ROM for use by the public, specifically so that the police can tell the public the exact location of each and every speed trap in their area?”
Former Chancellor Nigel Lawson, now Lord Lawson of Blaby, added: “How can it be right that it is sensible for the police to warn about speed traps to deter drivers from driving too fast, yet it is apparently an offence for a private individual to warn of a speed trap?”
Viscount Falkland waded in with the comment that “to the man or woman in the street – or even to a child – the handing out of driving bans for offences that are not connected with driving seems to lack one of the main elements of natural justice…”
He said: “Could the minister (Baroness Scotland of Asthal) allay the fears of the House and the general public by confirming that this is not the thin end of the wedge and that young people will not have to look forward to a future when they will receive driving bans for not separating their rubbish or for smoking in public places?”
But ex-Labour MP Dale Campbell-Savours, now Lord Campbell-Savours, spoke in favour of the new power and said “a very large body of public opinion is highly supportive” of using driving bans instead of fines, which were often not paid.
The Minister, Baroness Scotland, said the power to slap a driving ban on anyone convicted of an offence was granted in 2000 and “may be seen as an additional deterrent in the context of anti-social behaviour, environmental crime and other offences when a case has a link to the use of vehicles, such as kerb crawling.”
She said it was entirely up to the discretion of the judge or magistrate to impose a driving ban. “The sentence is available to the court if the court deems it appropriate for that particular offender
puggti said:
But ex-Labour MP Dale Campbell-Savours, now Lord Campbell-Savours, spoke in favour of the new power and said “a very large body of public opinion is highly supportive” of using driving bans instead of fines, which were often not paid.
That MUST be complete tripe. I warrant the majority of the public would find the whole idea of driving bans for "offences" having sod all to do with driving completely illogical! It is so easy for these gits to say "public opinion is in favour" without any actual evidence that it is the case - spin, spin and spin again!
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puggti said:
But ex-Labour MP Dale Campbell-Savours, now Lord Campbell-Savours, spoke in favour of the new power and said “a very large body of public opinion is highly supportive” of using driving bans instead of fines, which were often not paid.
Ok, so instead of not paying a fine you get to ignore a driving ban instead...
puggti said:
But ex-Labour MP Dale Campbell-Savours, now Lord Campbell-Savours, spoke in favour of the new power and said “a very large body of public opinion is highly supportive” of using driving bans instead of fines, which were often not paid.
And how will a driving ban help the situation? In most cases it would in fact worsen the situation, as many people rley on their own transport to get to work, etc... Removing a driving license may in fact lead to a loss of employment...
andy mac said:
Removing a driving license may in fact lead to a loss of employment...
Unless you're a government minister and get a car and chauffeur provided by the taxpayer....
Which may be part of the problem. Politicians used to enter public life after another 'life' in business etc. They had some idea of how life is. Now we have a rash of career politicians who have never known anything other than party politics and the hallowed halls of Westminster.
We now face the situation where those sitting in the Lords are more clued up than those in the Commons. And we're about to lose them too!
Go figure.
Psychobert said:
Mon Ami, I also personally think this may affect those who manufacture and supply devices such as Origin, Morpheus, Bel etc etc.
Thats whats concerning me.. I'm just about to invest in a Road Angel and if an individual can be convicted of reducing revenue, errr.. obstruction etc I'm wondering what may happen to the legalities of these systems.
I'm hoping there isn't too much more to this case than it seems from what we've read here. We'd better check really before an 'official' PH involvement..
Our Local Radio station, Coast 96.3FM broadcast every hour, on the hour, the location of the "ARRIVE ALIVE"(scamera)Van on Anglesey, so does this mean that they are equally liable to prosecution? Would they have to take away the Radio stations` braodcasting license? (I`d personally advocate a life-sentence in solitary for their DJ Steve Sims.....what a tw4t.)
So, Mr Harding has decided to let things lie, his ban is now served, and the fuss is dying down. I wonder if he got his holiday? Might I suggest that, if there is to be no official support from PH, that anyone who wanted to 'assist' Mr Harding with his fine simply stick a tenner in an envelope with no return address,to:
Stuart Harding,
Mytchett Road,
Mytchett,
Surrey.
just a note saying:'here`s something towards your fine,best wishes from ...{insert first name here!} '
(address c/o the Surrey Hants Star article)
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So if I get caught shop-lifting at lunchtime (can't afford a sandwich due the price of motoring taxes) do I lose my licence?
>> Edited by chris_freebie on Friday 27th August 13:27
>> Edited by chris_freebie on Sunday 29th August 00:30
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So if I get caught shop-lifting at lunchtime (can't afford a sandwich due the price of motoring taxes) do I lose my licence?
>> Edited by chris_freebie on Friday 27th August 13:27
>> Edited by chris_freebie on Sunday 29th August 00:30
Actually, although licences is correct in the UK, it's license in the USA; In fact OED mentions both spellings as correct and alternative.
I wonder what a non driving based ban would do for future motor insurance premiums? Also what do they do about somebody who has no licence or already lost it?
I wonder what a non driving based ban would do for future motor insurance premiums? Also what do they do about somebody who has no licence or already lost it?
cdp said:
Actually, although licences is correct in the UK, it's license in the USA; In fact OED mentions both spellings as correct and alternative.
I wonder what a non driving based ban would do for future motor insurance premiums? Also what do they do about somebody who has no licence or already lost it?
You will be sent to the 'gulag'.
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