F1 engine note - Why all the haters?
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ITV 4 Tomorrow night. TT 2014. One of the events will be the E bikes. Battery powered flyers which lap well in excess of 100 mph on the most demanding Mountain Circuit on the Isle or man. Eerily swift and silent ... 
The shape of things to come as Homo sapiens consumes everything ...
I'm off to hug a tree whilst they're still there to hug ... We're all dooomed ...
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The shape of things to come as Homo sapiens consumes everything ...
I'm off to hug a tree whilst they're still there to hug ... We're all dooomed ... .... .. Having watched my first GP on the telly this year, I have to say I approve of the new engine noise, different but no worse than the older V8s IMO and it's good you can actually hear other things (turbos/fans/tyres/Massa crashing again etc.)
Speaking of bikes... does anyone else think the MotoGP bikes sound a bit kak on the telly? Do they sound better in person at all?
Speaking of bikes... does anyone else think the MotoGP bikes sound a bit kak on the telly? Do they sound better in person at all?
I have just returned from Montreal (what a race...!) and I got the chance to compare old and new (sort of) as there was a Masters F1 race as part of the whole package.
I have been a huge F1 fan and been to races since the 80's and the first time I heard the new F1 engine, I thought oh no, was that it?? However, by the end of the weekend I could also see some big positives which may have actually improved the whole experience for me...
You can talk to the person next to you about the race without shouting or taking your headphones on and off.
You can hear the crowd reacting.
You can hear the commentator.
You don't need bulky (and sometimes hot and sticky) headphones.
You can hear the tyres locking up under braking.
You can sometimes hear the tyres sliding through corners, especially if a driver was really pushing the limits (Hamilton especially).
You could hear wheelspin as they got it sideways out of the corner.
You don't get a splitting headache from the combination of sun, headphones and 2hrs of loud noise.
For me, this made the race so much more interactive, you could ask the person next to you what just happened, and discuss different theories about what was happening/about to happen.
When I watched the F1 historic race, if I am honest, the sound was actually a little annoying after a while (shoot me).
I have now radically changed my view, and I never, ever thought I would say that!
I have been a huge F1 fan and been to races since the 80's and the first time I heard the new F1 engine, I thought oh no, was that it?? However, by the end of the weekend I could also see some big positives which may have actually improved the whole experience for me...
You can talk to the person next to you about the race without shouting or taking your headphones on and off.
You can hear the crowd reacting.
You can hear the commentator.
You don't need bulky (and sometimes hot and sticky) headphones.
You can hear the tyres locking up under braking.
You can sometimes hear the tyres sliding through corners, especially if a driver was really pushing the limits (Hamilton especially).
You could hear wheelspin as they got it sideways out of the corner.
You don't get a splitting headache from the combination of sun, headphones and 2hrs of loud noise.
For me, this made the race so much more interactive, you could ask the person next to you what just happened, and discuss different theories about what was happening/about to happen.
When I watched the F1 historic race, if I am honest, the sound was actually a little annoying after a while (shoot me).
I have now radically changed my view, and I never, ever thought I would say that!
Edited by JTRacelogic on Tuesday 10th June 17:20
MarkRSi said:
Having watched my first GP on the telly this year, I have to say I approve of the new engine noise, different but no worse than the older V8s IMO and it's good you can actually hear other things (turbos/fans/tyres/Massa crashing again etc.)
Speaking of bikes... does anyone else think the MotoGP bikes sound a bit kak on the telly? Do they sound better in person at all?
Yes. They make all manner noises at the track. Not quite as loud as the F1 V8s but bloody close. Earplug loud. And they fart, bang, pop and snarl on full load. Especially the M1 Yamahas.Speaking of bikes... does anyone else think the MotoGP bikes sound a bit kak on the telly? Do they sound better in person at all?
"The tone in the F1 paddock this weekend is one of soul-searching, as people speak openly of a sport “in decline” and requiring a and branch refresh."
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/06/uneasy-feeli...
Yup. About time.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/06/uneasy-feeli...
Yup. About time.
Oh ffs, is there no end to the negativity and people who think they know better?
The last race was great, the year has been generally good entertainment. Just shut up and watch it.
3-4 months is an age in motorsport as cars and drivers change or improve. The 2nd half of this season will be different. If you're unhappy you just have to wait a few races and it will change naturally.
Change yourself, not the sport.
The last race was great, the year has been generally good entertainment. Just shut up and watch it.
3-4 months is an age in motorsport as cars and drivers change or improve. The 2nd half of this season will be different. If you're unhappy you just have to wait a few races and it will change naturally.
Change yourself, not the sport.
zac510 said:
Oh ffs, is there no end to the negativity and people who think they know better?
You mean like the people who actually run and compete in the sport? I think you'll find that it's the people enthusiastic enough to attend races, or who are involved even more directly that are the ones who hate what F1 is becoming. The rest, ie the dumbed-down TV-only audience might be willing to accept compromise, but there's no great surprise there.
anonymous said:
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That is a complete red herring argument, to leap from the what we have now to 100mph diesels. We can trust the regulators to keep the sport's DNA.anonymous said:
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Where are these facts? I haven't seen them, only that viewership was down 10% last year. Aside from that it seems to be mostly hearsay and fans chucking their toys out of their prams. I don't see the need for doom and panic.dr_gn said:
You mean like the people who actually run and compete in the sport?
I think you'll find that it's the people enthusiastic enough to attend races, or who are involved even more directly that are the ones who hate what F1 is becoming. The rest, ie the dumbed-down TV-only audience might be willing to accept compromise, but there's no great surprise there.
Yes them too, they're usually always just covering their own interests or to manipulate the situation in a way that favours their team.I think you'll find that it's the people enthusiastic enough to attend races, or who are involved even more directly that are the ones who hate what F1 is becoming. The rest, ie the dumbed-down TV-only audience might be willing to accept compromise, but there's no great surprise there.
(aside from the last part, because I must be one of the afore-mentioned fans!)zac510 said:
Where are these facts? I haven't seen them, only that viewership was down 10% last year. Aside from that it seems to be mostly hearsay and fans chucking their toys out of their prams. I don't see the need for doom and panic.
Viewing figures are down partly because of the march towards pay TV channels. The casual viewer won't ever spend money on something they only have a passing interest in. Take me and test match cricket as an example - I loved cricket as a kid and would always watch it on the BBC, but these days I wouldn't dream of getting Sky so I just listen to the radio.zac510 said:
dr_gn said:
You mean like the people who actually run and compete in the sport?
I think you'll find that it's the people enthusiastic enough to attend races, or who are involved even more directly that are the ones who hate what F1 is becoming. The rest, ie the dumbed-down TV-only audience might be willing to accept compromise, but there's no great surprise there.
Yes them too, they're usually always just covering their own interests or to manipulate the situation in a way that favours their team.I think you'll find that it's the people enthusiastic enough to attend races, or who are involved even more directly that are the ones who hate what F1 is becoming. The rest, ie the dumbed-down TV-only audience might be willing to accept compromise, but there's no great surprise there.
anonymous said:
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It's a fallacy because that extreme situation will not occur (until there really is no oil left and we have to run bio-diesel machines!) Taking an event with minuscule probability and using it to discount my argument not a healthy debate.I'll explain my position better: I don't think the governing body are infallible, but I trust them to keep the DNA of fast, piston powered open wheeled cars, but they will move around within that scope on things like levels of fuel/downforce, numbers of cylinders, etc. And you can take that as a model for how the sport has been for 60 years: fast, piston powered open wheeled cars. The exact technical details of those 3 things have changed a lot in the 60 years but throughout they've always been fast, piston powered and open-wheeled.
dr_gn said:
zac510 said:
dr_gn said:
You mean like the people who actually run and compete in the sport?
I think you'll find that it's the people enthusiastic enough to attend races, or who are involved even more directly that are the ones who hate what F1 is becoming. The rest, ie the dumbed-down TV-only audience might be willing to accept compromise, but there's no great surprise there.
Yes them too, they're usually always just covering their own interests or to manipulate the situation in a way that favours their team.I think you'll find that it's the people enthusiastic enough to attend races, or who are involved even more directly that are the ones who hate what F1 is becoming. The rest, ie the dumbed-down TV-only audience might be willing to accept compromise, but there's no great surprise there.
Beautifully balanced by the miserably unhappy guy who drives for the red team. You couldn't make it up.You wonder why. I believe you ... yeah right ..
Tis human nature. Diagrams for the slow on the uptake can be provided.
Right, I'm off to check the odds for the FPs and Qs. One should always be mindful of your ps and qs ... old compositor maxim ...
Unlike some PHers I could mention, no names, no pack drill, I'm thoroughly enjoying this season. Plenty of bonus issues like HAM v. Ros, who'd have though RIC would get consistently better results than VET ? Didn't expect McL to struggle this much. Like with the England International Football Team, my expectations were low for McL, but, not THAT low! Now that's boring!
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