****The Official Belgian (Spa) Grand Prix thread 2015****

[andburg]

rdjohn said:

But they needed to understand what the tyre performance was today, if they expect to have the same engine power as Ferrari on Sunday.

I don't see it happening. Mind you Manor have similar power to Ferrari and McLaren are comfortably ahead of them.

not gospel but I believe manor are still running the 2014 spec power unit

[London424]

We keep hearing about how if you take away the power issues the McLaren is supposed to have a goodman his. Every time you see them its understeering or wobbling all over the place!

[FeelingLucky]

London424 said:

We keep hearing about how if you take away the power issues the McLaren is supposed to have a goodman his. Every time you see them its understeering or wobbling all over the place!

Are you sure they have a goodman his? What is your source?

[thegreenhell]

The problem if you're 150 bhp down, as they've reportedly been for much of the season, is that you don't really get to see what the chassis can do because you have to try to reduce drag to minimise your losses on the straights, which means removing downforce from the car. On the two tracks with minimal straights where they've been able to put downforce back on the car they've been in the points, even with their power deficit. I think as they turn up the power more they'll also start being able to run the levels of downforce they want to.

[jbudgie]

FeelingLucky said:

London424 said:

We keep hearing about how if you take away the power issues the McLaren is supposed to have a goodman his. Every time you see them its understeering or wobbling all over the place!

Are you sure they have a goodman his? What is your source?

[London424]

FeelingLucky said:

London424 said:

We keep hearing about how if you take away the power issues the McLaren is supposed to have a goodman his. Every time you see them its understeering or wobbling all over the place!

Are you sure they have a goodman his? What is your source?

Haha...got to love autocorrect. Should have been chassis.

[Mermaid]

Derek Smith said:

With a 10 place grid penalty for Vestappen, he could be worth watching in the race.

a future champion

[Vaud]

Mermaid said:

Derek Smith said:

With a 10 place grid penalty for Vestappen, he could be worth watching in the race.

a future champion

Yup, I think he is pretty impressive. Silenced a lot of early critics.

My (uninformed) guess is Ferrari already have an option on him and we will see him in red attire in 2017.

[GreigM]

andburg said:

not gospel but I believe manor are still running the 2014 spec power unit

I thought the rules were that all the mods to engines must filter down to the customer units - particularly remember Williams saying this about the Merc engine - saying they were always on exactly the same power unit as the works team.

[MartG]

GreigM said:

andburg said:

not gospel but I believe manor are still running the 2014 spec power unit

I thought the rules were that all the mods to engines must filter down to the customer units - particularly remember Williams saying this about the Merc engine - saying they were always on exactly the same power unit as the works team.

It can take time to filter down - Sauber have only started running the 2015 spec Ferrari engine this weekend, with obvious benefits to their performance

[London424]

MartG said:

GreigM said:

andburg said:

not gospel but I believe manor are still running the 2014 spec power unit

I thought the rules were that all the mods to engines must filter down to the customer units - particularly remember Williams saying this about the Merc engine - saying they were always on exactly the same power unit as the works team.

It can take time to filter down - Sauber have only started running the 2015 spec Ferrari engine this weekend, with obvious benefits to their performance

From what I heard during practice Sauber still don't have the full engine...just a few more upgrades.

[Alicatt1]

mywifeshusband said:

Nico taking a long walk back to collect his thoughts. I bet he was bracing himself for a big thump in the rear.

But he gets in the recovery truck! Got to look after the car.

Much to my shame I've been in that rescue truck as well

[Scuffers]

London424 said:

From what I heard during practice Sauber still don't have the full engine...just a few more upgrades.

I'm assuming this is because they cannot afford the engine changes out of their years allocation, so are having to wait till they have a scheduled change?

[Killer2005]

New engine for Alonso overnight, and it's broken already

[hairyben]

Honda's bigging themselves up for this all mouth again I see

No word on a penalty for kvvat's unsafe release then?

[007 VXR]

Killer2005 said:

New engine for Alonso overnight, and it's broken already

[Teppic]

hairyben said:

No word on a penalty for kvvat's unsafe release then?

Kvyat has received a reprimand and the team received a €10000 fine.

Edited by Teppic on Saturday 22 August 10:48

[Smollet]

Good to see the Honda with Ferrari like power or maybe that claim was well wide of the mark or is the chassis now crap?

[ajprice]

Missed this, but Ricciardo got it sideways going up Eau Rouge https://twitter.com/danielricciardo/status/6347721...

[ajprice]

Which game was Max driving then?