Mohammed ben Sulayem
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HustleRussell said:
This thread was about Mohammed Ben Sulayem.
He gives me the impression of someone who is not used to changing his mind or backing down. I think this current kerfuffle will escalate, with threats, intimidation and hysterics. Just what we need in what is turning out to be an interesting season.
Derek Smith said:
HustleRussell said:
This thread was about Mohammed Ben Sulayem.
He gives me the impression of someone who is not used to changing his mind or backing down. I think this current kerfuffle will escalate, with threats, intimidation and hysterics. Just what we need in what is turning out to be an interesting season.
So far, he's said or done virtually nothing to suggest that he's capable of doing the job. Quite the opposite, actually.
Derek Smith said:
HustleRussell said:
This thread was about Mohammed Ben Sulayem.
He gives me the impression of someone who is not used to changing his mind or backing down. I think this current kerfuffle will escalate, with threats, intimidation and hysterics. Just what we need in what is turning out to be an interesting season.
It's an interesting season no doubt
sparta6 said:
Derek Smith said:
HustleRussell said:
This thread was about Mohammed Ben Sulayem.
He gives me the impression of someone who is not used to changing his mind or backing down. I think this current kerfuffle will escalate, with threats, intimidation and hysterics. Just what we need in what is turning out to be an interesting season.
It's an interesting season no doubt
Derek Smith said:
Liberty doesn't need the FIA. It can run its own races without governance from outsiders. The FIA can turn stroppy if Liberty run F1 themselves, especially with regards to some, but by no means all, circuits. This threat was used by Mosley, but it's too obscure for me. Back in the day, Silverstone were not happy that they were contracted to run an LMES race because it might upset Ecclestone and negotiations for the GP, the contract expiring that or the following year. Politics: always politics.
On the other hand, the FIA needs F1. It doesn't get as much money from F1 as it used to. Mosley changed that for reasons best known to him and Ecclestone., but their income from it is still significant. Licences and such.
When the FOCA battle looked set to become pitched, I remember reading that a breakaway race could change 'everything' in F1 and if the FIA pulled all its resources it would be liable financially: restraint of trade and such. It would be messy, and would cost the FIA. There had been some such threats made to Le Mans series of races, run under the auspices of the A.C.O. The FIA had been less than cooperative but lawyers sorted them out.
I remember reading that F1 could be run with the A.C.O. replacing most of the FIA's influence.
My feeling is that we don't want all power going to one company. That would destroy F1. There needs to be outside influence. The only question is how much influence should the FIA have.
If MBS is looking to make enemies then who is he befriending?On the other hand, the FIA needs F1. It doesn't get as much money from F1 as it used to. Mosley changed that for reasons best known to him and Ecclestone., but their income from it is still significant. Licences and such.
When the FOCA battle looked set to become pitched, I remember reading that a breakaway race could change 'everything' in F1 and if the FIA pulled all its resources it would be liable financially: restraint of trade and such. It would be messy, and would cost the FIA. There had been some such threats made to Le Mans series of races, run under the auspices of the A.C.O. The FIA had been less than cooperative but lawyers sorted them out.
I remember reading that F1 could be run with the A.C.O. replacing most of the FIA's influence.
My feeling is that we don't want all power going to one company. That would destroy F1. There needs to be outside influence. The only question is how much influence should the FIA have.
In the FISA-FOCA war it was manufacturers (FISA) vs. independent constructors (FOCA)who were mainly British.
Teams vs. Bernie vs. Max it was usually Ferrari siding with the FIA/Bernie via legacy payments and voting rights as well as Bernie playing off the teams against the FIA.
IIRC the talk of the ACO sanctioning F1 races was in the 2000s. A lot has changed in that time. WEC has since been revived with LMGTs have now gone off the boil with GT3 (SRO affiliated to FIA) replacing the GT class in a couple of years time.
I wonder whether the recent issue over payments for extra sprint races Horner and MBS had have talks.
paulguitar said:
sparta6 said:
Derek Smith said:
HustleRussell said:
This thread was about Mohammed Ben Sulayem.
He gives me the impression of someone who is not used to changing his mind or backing down. I think this current kerfuffle will escalate, with threats, intimidation and hysterics. Just what we need in what is turning out to be an interesting season.
It's an interesting season no doubt
Your best one yet. Keep 'em coming
With 80 million members MBS has plenty of responsibility, so far he's paying attention to rule enforcement.
Seems less passive than Todt, time will tell.
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
sparta6 said:
Derek Smith said:
HustleRussell said:
This thread was about Mohammed Ben Sulayem.
He gives me the impression of someone who is not used to changing his mind or backing down. I think this current kerfuffle will escalate, with threats, intimidation and hysterics. Just what we need in what is turning out to be an interesting season.
It's an interesting season no doubt
Your best one yet. Keep 'em coming
With 80 million members MBS has plenty of responsibility, so far he's paying attention to
Seems less passive than Todt, time will tell.
jm doc said:
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
sparta6 said:
Derek Smith said:
HustleRussell said:
This thread was about Mohammed Ben Sulayem.
He gives me the impression of someone who is not used to changing his mind or backing down. I think this current kerfuffle will escalate, with threats, intimidation and hysterics. Just what we need in what is turning out to be an interesting season.
It's an interesting season no doubt
Your best one yet. Keep 'em coming
With 80 million members MBS has plenty of responsibility, so far he's paying attention to
Seems less passive than Todt, time will tell.
No irony whatsoever
Derek Smith said:
Liberty doesn't need the FIA. It can run its own races without governance from outsiders. The FIA can turn stroppy if Liberty run F1 themselves, especially with regards to some, but by no means all, circuits. This threat was used by Mosley, but it's too obscure for me. Back in the day, Silverstone were not happy that they were contracted to run an LMES race because it might upset Ecclestone and negotiations for the GP, the contract expiring that or the following year. Politics: always politics.
On the other hand, the FIA needs F1. It doesn't get as much money from F1 as it used to. Mosley changed that for reasons best known to him and Ecclestone., but their income from it is still significant. Licences and such.
When the FOCA battle looked set to become pitched, I remember reading that a breakaway race could change 'everything' in F1 and if the FIA pulled all its resources it would be liable financially: restraint of trade and such. It would be messy, and would cost the FIA. There had been some such threats made to Le Mans series of races, run under the auspices of the A.C.O. The FIA had been less than cooperative but lawyers sorted them out.
I remember reading that F1 could be run with the A.C.O. replacing most of the FIA's influence.
My feeling is that we don't want all power going to one company. That would destroy F1. There needs to be outside influence. The only question is how much influence should the FIA have.
Liberty are free to hold any race they want under any governing/sanctioning body they like, but they can only run a Formula 1 World Championship with the FIA. The championship belongs to the FIA, they've only leased the commercial rights to organise the championship to Liberty for 100 years.On the other hand, the FIA needs F1. It doesn't get as much money from F1 as it used to. Mosley changed that for reasons best known to him and Ecclestone., but their income from it is still significant. Licences and such.
When the FOCA battle looked set to become pitched, I remember reading that a breakaway race could change 'everything' in F1 and if the FIA pulled all its resources it would be liable financially: restraint of trade and such. It would be messy, and would cost the FIA. There had been some such threats made to Le Mans series of races, run under the auspices of the A.C.O. The FIA had been less than cooperative but lawyers sorted them out.
I remember reading that F1 could be run with the A.C.O. replacing most of the FIA's influence.
My feeling is that we don't want all power going to one company. That would destroy F1. There needs to be outside influence. The only question is how much influence should the FIA have.
Wow this guy is so out of touch. F1 hardly known for diversity etc and this guy criticising Norris, Vettel and Hamilton for raising such issues. You can’t lead an international organisation these days with views like that. Which journalist will raise it in the press conference.
https://www.givemesport.com/88018953-hamilton-vett...
https://www.givemesport.com/88018953-hamilton-vett...
Edited by cc3 on Wednesday 8th June 21:53
Drive Blind said:
it's stunning to see a leader of an international organisation coming out with those comments.
I think it will only make the drivers mentioned more determined, and maybe also more drivers more vocal ?
Ridiculous, he sounds like he's been shipped in from the 1950s. I think it will only make the drivers mentioned more determined, and maybe also more drivers more vocal ?
Very, very unimpressive so far.
paulguitar said:
Drive Blind said:
it's stunning to see a leader of an international organisation coming out with those comments.
I think it will only make the drivers mentioned more determined, and maybe also more drivers more vocal ?
Ridiculous, he sounds like he's been shipped in from the 1950s. I think it will only make the drivers mentioned more determined, and maybe also more drivers more vocal ?
Very, very unimpressive so far.
And then within a decade we have drivers saying they'd rather not race in a country or think that the sport should be better for the environment or that gay people should be allowed to live their lives without harrassment and the rights holder with viewer engagement and demographics at the forefront of their mind. Sulayem probably hoped he would waltz in and enjoy an easy life milking the connections of the corrupt and wealthy while Bernie ran around shutting down youtube infringements.
glazbagun said:
paulguitar said:
Drive Blind said:
it's stunning to see a leader of an international organisation coming out with those comments.
I think it will only make the drivers mentioned more determined, and maybe also more drivers more vocal ?
Ridiculous, he sounds like he's been shipped in from the 1950s. I think it will only make the drivers mentioned more determined, and maybe also more drivers more vocal ?
Very, very unimpressive so far.
And then within a decade we have drivers saying they'd rather not race in a country or think that the sport should be better for the environment or that gay people should be allowed to live their lives without harrassment and the rights holder with viewer engagement and demographics at the forefront of their mind. Sulayem probably hoped he would waltz in and enjoy an easy life milking the connections of the corrupt and wealthy while Bernie ran around shutting down youtube infringements.
realjv said:
Liberty are free to hold any race they want under any governing/sanctioning body they like, but they can only run a Formula 1 World Championship with the FIA. The championship belongs to the FIA, they've only leased the commercial rights to organise the championship to Liberty for 100 years.
There was a lot about what to call the breakaway back in the day when it seemed a possibility. The options were numerous, and some of the suggestions were quite exciting. Modern legal teams could challenge the limitations, suggest that the FIA is being restrictive, unfair, hurting their product. The FIA might find it too expensive to defend against and end up with a compromise that was nothing more than paying the FIA money to move into the background.
I once read that Ecclestone held the rights to the term Formula 1.
Derek Smith said:
realjv said:
Liberty are free to hold any race they want under any governing/sanctioning body they like, but they can only run a Formula 1 World Championship with the FIA. The championship belongs to the FIA, they've only leased the commercial rights to organise the championship to Liberty for 100 years.
There was a lot about what to call the breakaway back in the day when it seemed a possibility. The options were numerous, and some of the suggestions were quite exciting. Modern legal teams could challenge the limitations, suggest that the FIA is being restrictive, unfair, hurting their product. The FIA might find it too expensive to defend against and end up with a compromise that was nothing more than paying the FIA money to move into the background.
I once read that Ecclestone held the rights to the term Formula 1.
If they wanted to set up their own series, they would have to call it something else, and the FIA would probably revoke and resell the F1 commercial rights to someone else if Liberty stopped using them.
A rebel F1 series would need to be held exclusively on temporary circuits, or circuits prepared not to hold FIA events, and they’d need their own organisational and safety framework in place, to the satisfaction of their insurers.
There was a good interview on the subject with veteran F1 hack Joe Saward the other day: https://youtube.com/watch?v=N37l8c89zy8
He says that the problem is basically that Jean Todt was a huge micro-manager - so when he left, a lot of institutional knowledge went with him.
After they’d dealt with the Abu Dhabi farce that Todt left on MBS’s desk, the new President now has to set up a team around him and make a start on all the things they need to do. Something of a medium term project, rather than the work of a few months.
So far , in his short spell as head of the FIA , he has exceeded my low expectations in almost every way . Underperforming these expectations is a significant achievement in itself but , early days though it is , I think he will surprise me on so many matters in the future.
And not in a good way !
And not in a good way !
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