George Russell's teammate for 2025?
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Evanivitch said:
isaldiri said:
It's a useful excuse to wheel out about 'oh it's Red Bull being biased to make the car for Verstappen' as well though?
albon also did say 'the car is what it is' - i have never heard from anyone from any of the teams saying they would go out of their way to build a car to fit a driver's handling preferences at the design stage as compared to simply trying to make the car with as much aero and mechanical grip as possible. Surely what Albon goes on about a very sensitive front end is something handled by each driver's engineers in trying to find a setup that suits them depending on track characteristics than a basic profile of the car's design.
Clearly Verstappen seems to want the car setup in a certain way that not many other driver's like - it should just mean attempting to go a similar route to what his side of the garage is doing mighty not be useful rather than the car is being designed in a certain way given a lot of handling characteristics can be set after.
We all (should) know that there are decisions made fundamentally in car design and setup that impact the properties of stability and rotation. You can't undo that all in adjusting setup. Whether it's by decision or just good coincidence, the fundamental properties of the RB suits Max's preference for a very responsive car. I think it's fair to say that Albon is experienced enough to recognise this isn't typical of other drivers.albon also did say 'the car is what it is' - i have never heard from anyone from any of the teams saying they would go out of their way to build a car to fit a driver's handling preferences at the design stage as compared to simply trying to make the car with as much aero and mechanical grip as possible. Surely what Albon goes on about a very sensitive front end is something handled by each driver's engineers in trying to find a setup that suits them depending on track characteristics than a basic profile of the car's design.
Clearly Verstappen seems to want the car setup in a certain way that not many other driver's like - it should just mean attempting to go a similar route to what his side of the garage is doing mighty not be useful rather than the car is being designed in a certain way given a lot of handling characteristics can be set after.
And then when you're not as fast as your (more talented) teammate you do look to take what you can from their setup and racing line. But clearly, as has been shown across several team mates, it's very challenging for anyone to drive the same car as Max in the same style.
I'm not trying to saw Alex is as good as Max, but I do believe he's one of the better teammates he's had.
I don’t think his Red Bull stint is the best we’re going to get out of him.
rich861 said:
Antonelli if he wins F2. Otherwise I think they'll buy Norris out as Toto did say he was looking at either Norris or Leclerc.
I would like to see Antonelli or Alonso. They'd be the most interesting, especially if the car is competitive.
Merc with an italian surely at some point if he proves to be the next messiah the tifosi will want him big time.I would like to see Antonelli or Alonso. They'd be the most interesting, especially if the car is competitive.
Hustle_ said:
Albon was promoted to Red Bull prematurely after half a season in Toro Rosso. He then had a season and a half in Red Bull during which he held good account for himself and should’ve won a race or two.
I don’t think his Red Bull stint is the best we’re going to get out of him.
Yes agreed too early in a top carI don’t think his Red Bull stint is the best we’re going to get out of him.
Also a strange period of f1.
Lewis had done 100s of laps in old f1 cars
Now the young drivers get a good few sessions but Albons era they didnt get so much did they?
Evanivitch said:
We all (should) know that there are decisions made fundamentally in car design and setup that impact the properties of stability and rotation. You can't undo that all in adjusting setup. Whether it's by decision or just good coincidence, the fundamental properties of the RB suits Max's preference for a very responsive car. I think it's fair to say that Albon is experienced enough to recognise this isn't typical of other drivers.
And then when you're not as fast as your (more talented) teammate you do look to take what you can from their setup and racing line. But clearly, as has been shown across several team mates, it's very challenging for anyone to drive the same car as Max in the same style.
I'm not trying to saw Alex is as good as Max, but I do believe he's one of the better teammates he's had.
You had said, according to Albon, 'Max influences the development of the car'. My point is that the red bull technical team isn't going to be going out of their way to design a car with a hyper responsive car but rather simply one that is as quick as possible. You can't undo some of the fundamentals of the way the car behaves with setup alone but what Albon was talking about seems to be much more something driven by setup choices rather than intentionally designed in. And then when you're not as fast as your (more talented) teammate you do look to take what you can from their setup and racing line. But clearly, as has been shown across several team mates, it's very challenging for anyone to drive the same car as Max in the same style.
I'm not trying to saw Alex is as good as Max, but I do believe he's one of the better teammates he's had.
It might well be that Verstappen is lucky that his particular driving style suits the current style of ground effect cars in a similar way that Vettel could get a lot out of the blown diffusers and I agree Albon had a tough time at Red Bull (not helped by crashes with Hamilton that weren't exactly down to Albon) but the suggestion that the car is being designed to expressly suit Verstappen and to the detriment of his team-mates is not reasonably proven imo.
Muzzer79 said:
Deesee said:
It’ll be Mick
"Hello? Mr Petronas?Yes sir, he is leaving.
Yes sir, 7 world titles........6 with us.
Yes sir, over 100 wins. A very good record. Much oil sold.
His replacement sir?
Well, he finished 6th at the Austrian Grand Prix once....."
isaldiri said:
You had said, according to Albon, 'Max influences the development of the car'. My point is that the red bull technical team isn't going to be going out of their way to design a car with a hyper responsive car but rather simply one that is as quick as possible. You can't undo some of the fundamentals of the way the car behaves with setup alone but what Albon was talking about seems to be much more something driven by setup choices rather than intentionally designed in.
It might well be that Verstappen is lucky that his particular driving style suits the current style of ground effect cars in a similar way that Vettel could get a lot out of the blown diffusers and I agree Albon had a tough time at Red Bull (not helped by crashes with Hamilton that weren't exactly down to Albon) but the suggestion that the car is being designed to expressly suit Verstappen and to the detriment of his team-mates is not reasonably proven imo.
Why would they not go out of the way to develop the car in a manner which makes their fastest driver even faster?It might well be that Verstappen is lucky that his particular driving style suits the current style of ground effect cars in a similar way that Vettel could get a lot out of the blown diffusers and I agree Albon had a tough time at Red Bull (not helped by crashes with Hamilton that weren't exactly down to Albon) but the suggestion that the car is being designed to expressly suit Verstappen and to the detriment of his team-mates is not reasonably proven imo.
That's exactly what good drivers do. They tell the team where they think the car could be better. If Max is constantly saying he needs better rotation then that is where the effort goes when you have practical and competition limitations.
Evanivitch said:
Why would they not go out of the way to develop the car in a manner which makes their fastest driver even faster?
That's exactly what good drivers do. They tell the team where they think the car could be better. If Max is constantly saying he needs better rotation then that is where the effort goes when you have practical and competition limitations.
And as I said, that's then an issue for the track engineering teams to solve with respect to setup to better suit the driver based on what they are being told rather than the design technical team that is simply trying to find more time to make the car faster. If the car has a fundamental handling issue that cannot be resolved by setup without costing a drastic amount of time to get that handling characteristic then yes the latter has to look to address that but otherwise, drivers don't tell designers how to make cars faster. That's exactly what good drivers do. They tell the team where they think the car could be better. If Max is constantly saying he needs better rotation then that is where the effort goes when you have practical and competition limitations.
Toto has stated this a chance to do something bold. To me a bold move sounds like Alonso or even Seb (Merc do like a German driver in their ranks) or even to be extremely bold and give a season to Mick before deciding on a more stable line up for 26.
To me bold does not sound like Albon or Ocon or even Sainz even though Carlos is the guy I would like to see in the seat. Him and George is pretty strong line up.
To me bold does not sound like Albon or Ocon or even Sainz even though Carlos is the guy I would like to see in the seat. Him and George is pretty strong line up.
Zammy said:
Toto has stated this a chance to do something bold. To me a bold move sounds like Alonso or even Seb (Merc do like a German driver in their ranks) or even to be extremely bold and give a season to Mick before deciding on a more stable line up for 26.
To me bold does not sound like Albon or Ocon or even Sainz even though Carlos is the guy I would like to see in the seat. Him and George is pretty strong line up.
If Hamiltom isn't a championship contender by halfway point of season then put him on gardening leave...To me bold does not sound like Albon or Ocon or even Sainz even though Carlos is the guy I would like to see in the seat. Him and George is pretty strong line up.
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