Who's Toto Wolff?

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Red Grant said:

Well its been doing the rounds a lot longer than that magazine. I remember Wolf talking about teams failing the cost cap before the results were made public by the FIA in spring 2022 and a few eyebrows were raised.

And yet completely overlooked that Ferrari were all over it (and Fred V possibly even first?)

[Peacockantony]

Pflanzgarten said:

I’m not suggesting she has anything like the motorsport nouse as Suzi Wolf but if Geri Horner started getting roles with FOM or the FIA there’d have been more than eyebrows raised.

It would. A lot of people are missing the point on this, the exact nature of their link to a team boss is irrelevant, it is the fact they have direct and current links to a team that matters. It doesn't matter whether it is Susie or Mark Mateschitz or even Leone Elkann.

It was really, really dumb of F1 to even consider employing someone within the group that has significant and active ties to those in charge of entrants in one of the series it runs. This is why conflict of interest considerations exist, to protect all parties involved. It is highly unlikely that Susie was able able to pass any information on to Toto, but because she is employed by F1, and Toto has repeatedly appeared to have access to information he shouldn't have been privy to, questions were always going to be asked.

F1's response, especially in telling the teams to put out exact statements at the same time, making it obvious it was an instruction that came from FOM to brass, makes it pretty obvious they know they f*cked up and are crisis aversion mode. The teams aren't united, they have been dictated to and told exactly what to do.

It is only going to get even messier next year when Susie will be overseeing F1 Academy featuring a car running a Mercedes livery too. The question is, just how many senior figures with FOM group need to roll as a result of this.

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This threads a bit embarassing

FIA concludes there’s nothing to see here

https://x.com/andrewbensonf1/status/17328153744234...

[Peacockantony]

HustleRussell said:

Are you seriously making that point?

Susie Wolff has had a lifelong career in professional motorsport. She has been Team principal as well as CEO of a Formula E team and Managing Director of the F1 Academy series.

Roles that largely rely on the opportunities afforded to her thanks to being married to Toto rather than her own racing achievements that whilst not bad are not those of a level you would expect to get management roles in top level motorsport.
Susie Stoddard the 18th placed driver from DTM would not have been given a development & test driver role within the Williams F1 team without the connection to a wealthy investor that bought in to the team. Susie Stoddard would be unlikely to get given a role as a Formula E team principal.

There are some pretty incestuous links between Wolff, Mercedes & Venturi though. Jerome D'Ambrosio was appointed Deputy Team Principal under Susie at Venturi and has now got a role within the Mercedes F1 Team, Venturi powertrains were provided to the HWA/Mercedes Formula E Team under Susie's tenure.

Todt, Brawn & Domenicalli all have been dragged due to links they have to teams, despite them long since leaving their roles and having no direct link to them any more, yet here we have an F1 employee with a significant and current link to a F1 team boss. It should never have happened. They were just asking for trouble. Heads need to roll. F1 has been brought in to disrepute again as a result.

[Peacockantony]

djgritt said:

All teams have issued a statement denying any involvement now.

Well, they have shared FOM's statement claiming the teams weren't involved...

Same wording, released together. In other word's they were given their orders by F1 top brass, wanting to deflect attention away from unfortunate truths.

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[StephenP]

Well that's embarrassing for the FIA....

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13025117/f...

Bets on how long before MBS is ousted? Before or after Christmas?

ETA.... already mentioned a bit earlier....

Edited by StephenP on Thursday 7th December 18:11

[Peacockantony]

520TORQUES said:

You'll have to explain that one.

It was meant to read "Of course it being F1"

There is a reason Wolff is still crying 2 years after yet we have not heard one peep from Masi, he was gagged from telling his side because some people don't want the truth to come out.
You only have to look at the double standards of the stewarding in the 2021 season to see that Mercedes were being treated favourably, there were numerous occasions of Mercedes drivers being given lighter penalties compared to other drivers such as Vettel, an entire days was spent deliberating over what should have been an instant disqualification & lasting on-track advantages from cutting corners unpunished despite other drivers from other teams repeatedly getting penalties for it.

"Wolff also revealed he’d had lunch with Masi in the lead-up to Abu Dhabi and says he told Masi at the time: “You need to take criticism on board and develop from there. Lewis does it every day, but you are a guy who always seems to know better.”
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/immune-to-feedb...

[HustleRussell]

Peacockantony said:

HustleRussell said:

Are you seriously making that point?

Susie Wolff has had a lifelong career in professional motorsport. She has been Team principal as well as CEO of a Formula E team and Managing Director of the F1 Academy series.

Roles that largely rely on the opportunities afforded to her thanks to being married to Toto rather than her own racing achievements that whilst not bad are not those of a level you would expect to get management roles in top level motorsport.
Susie Stoddard the 18th placed driver from DTM would not have been given a development & test driver role within the Williams F1 team without the connection to a wealthy investor that bought in to the team. Susie Stoddard would be unlikely to get given a role as a Formula E team principal.

There are some pretty incestuous links between Wolff, Mercedes & Venturi though. Jerome D'Ambrosio was appointed Deputy Team Principal under Susie at Venturi and has now got a role within the Mercedes F1 Team, Venturi powertrains were provided to the HWA/Mercedes Formula E Team under Susie's tenure.

Todt, Brawn & Domenicalli all have been dragged due to links they have to teams, despite them long since leaving their roles and having no direct link to them any more, yet here we have an F1 employee with a significant and current link to a F1 team boss. It should never have happened. They were just asking for trouble. Heads need to roll. F1 has been brought in to disrepute again as a result.

What do you think of all the many men who work in F1 who carved out a career in non-racecar driving roles after coming up short as a racing driver? Or the men who are connected to other commercial entities? Or the men who have previously worked for, or go on to work for, other employers within the industry before or after their current role?

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Peacockantony said:

Roles that largely rely on the opportunities afforded to her thanks to being married to Toto rather than her own racing achievements that whilst not bad are not those of a level you would expect to get management roles in top level motorsport.

Management roles in top level Motorsport are a long, loooong way off being filled by people with top tier racing achievements.

This is exactly the sort of nonsense that she has to put up with (and eluded to in her statement).

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Peacockantony said:

Well, they have shared FOM's statement claiming the teams weren't involved...

Same wording, released together. In other word's they were given their orders by F1 top brass, wanting to deflect attention away from unfortunate truths.

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Yeah, I can really see the likes of Ferrari, Red Bull et al. taking orders from F1 'top brass' and meekly obeying orders.

[HighwayStar]

Peacockantony said:

520TORQUES said:

You'll have to explain that one.

It was meant to read "Of course it being F1"

There is a reason Wolff is still crying 2 years after yet we have not heard one peep from Masi, he was gagged from telling his side because some people don't want the truth to come out.
You only have to look at the double standards of the stewarding in the 2021 season to see that Mercedes were being treated favourably, there were numerous occasions of Mercedes drivers being given lighter penalties compared to other drivers such as Vettel, an entire days was spent deliberating over what should have been an instant disqualification & lasting on-track advantages from cutting corners unpunished despite other drivers from other teams repeatedly getting penalties for it.

"Wolff also revealed he’d had lunch with Masi in the lead-up to Abu Dhabi and says he told Masi at the time: “You need to take criticism on board and develop from there. Lewis does it every day, but you are a guy who always seems to know better.”
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/immune-to-feedb...

You’ve got some pretty big blinkers on there! Masi fked up royally for Toto at AD then.

[520TORQUES]

Peacockantony said:

Everything

Bonkers.

[InformationSuperHighway]

StephenP said:

Well that's embarrassing for the FIA....

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13025117/f...

Bets on how long before MBS is ousted? Before or after Christmas?

ETA.... already mentioned a bit earlier....

Edited by StephenP on Thursday 7th December 18:11

What an embarrassing and pathetic few days in the sport. Not forgetting the people (Susie) involved who've probably been put through an emotional wringer.

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Is Peacockantony Sparta’s new user?

Red Grant said:

Thing is Wolf was in possession of private information and we all know which ex Mercedes employee that works at the FIA gave it to him (subsequently left her job Shaila Rao). Surely this is a non story

Nope, we’ve been told quite a few times that because Masi was not fired it shows the rules were followed perfectly. Clearly there was no rules broken with Shaila given she was not fired. It came from another source.

[rscott]

Red Grant said:

NRS said:

Is Peacockantony Sparta’s new user?

Red Grant said:

Thing is Wolf was in possession of private information and we all know which ex Mercedes employee that works at the FIA gave it to him (subsequently left her job Shaila Rao). Surely this is a non story

Nope, we’ve been told quite a few times that because Masi was not fired it shows the rules were followed perfectly. Clearly there was no rules broken with Shaila given she was not fired. It came from another source.

What’s it got to do with Masi or AD21?

Go back a few pages and read Peacock Anthony's post - he claimed Toto was good friends with Masi.

[NRS]

Several Max fanbois have insisted since Masi was not fired it proves there was nothing wrong with his decisions. Therefore this case proves she did nothing wrong because she was not fired either when using that logic.

[EmailAddress]

Oh look, another thread that's turned to Verstappen and AD21.

[HighwayStar]

EmailAddress said:

Oh look, another thread that's turned to Verstappen and AD21.

There are threads F1 threads and many others I have a look at and then decide nah, not interested in this one leave it alone… why try and police it?
Nothing untrue re the post you’re referring to.

[Hungrymc]

HighwayStar said:

EmailAddress said:

Oh look, another thread that's turned to Verstappen and AD21.

There are threads F1 threads and many others I have a look at and then decide nah, not interested in this one leave it alone… why try and police it?
Nothing untrue re the post you’re referring to.

The post that states Masi got sacked for not following FIA direction to ensure LH won the 21 WDC ?

[budgie smuggler]

Red Grant said:

budgie smuggler said:

Red Grant said:

Well its been doing the rounds a lot longer than that magazine. I remember Wolf talking about teams failing the cost cap before the results were made public by the FIA in spring 2022 and a few eyebrows were raised.

That's nothing to do with this and in fact pre-dates Susie's appointment in her current role.

Read what i wrote originally, the rumours of leaked knowledge from the FIA to Toto were doing the rounds at the time of the 2021 cost cap results as Toto appeared to know a lot about it before it was announced and then magically not long afterwards the ex mercedes employee (Shaila Rao) working at the FIA legal team left her job after only a few months...

I know, I was replying to this:

Red Grant said:

What i cant get over is Suzi moaning about the fact she's potentially implicated and branding it misogynistic.

I don't know how to say this other than repeating what I said - that's nothing to do with this and in fact pre-dates Susie's appointment in her current role.

Susie thinks she was targetted for misogynistic reasons, i.e. that as a wife she could not possibly be a professional, despite having a long motorsport career off her own back. There is no evidence whatsoever that Susie did anything, and the magazine which published the rumour made misogynistic statements about W series and F1 Academy in the past, both of which she's involved with. It isn't a big stretch.

Edited by budgie smuggler on Friday 8th December 09:10