****Winter Testing #1 Jerez****
Discussion
PeXy said:
007 VXR said:
PhillipM said:
PeXy said:
But this isn't there first test they had two days at the end of last season to iron out the niggles.
With a completely different engine, chassis, packaging, wiring loom, sensors.....yeah, course they could iron out the niggles.Seriously, do you really have that little idea how much work goes into a car that's constantly being developed right up to and including the first time you run it on track? The things probably only been screwed together properly a couple of days, and I bet they've changed/upgraded plenty of parts already...
Edited by PhillipM on Monday 2nd February 23:40
Gaz. said:
PeXy said:
Fair enough the two days testing last year was for nothing, Honda put an engine in the car for nothing, designed it for no purpose as in your words this is a "completely" different engine. I understand completely that this is testing, but this isn't a good start.
I'm with you on this, the points that get handed out in Melbourne don't have an asterisk for cars 12 months behind everyone else.007 VXR said:
As i understand it they 3 engines 2 test beds and one that will race, if you go back to free testing of years gone by, then they would not have these issues.... but as with last year for everyone, testing in car on track is/was not aload!!!! SO ....................
They should have stuck the engine in the back of a P1 and run it around their own track if they had one (equivalent of Fiorano) but no F1 team would do anything like that, would they I find it almost unbelievable they are in this position.
they have had 2 years to get this right, last year there was nothing stopping them bolting the development engine into a car and running it on a dyno, or taking it to windshear, etc etc.
they can't seem to get the engine to run cleanly in a car yet, this is stuff that should have been sorted before the test, they have now lost the test time that would have been invaluable in learning about the new car to trying to sort basic installation issues out.
its all well and good saying they are being adventurous, but it;s a bit fundamental if the engine won't run right.
they have had 2 years to get this right, last year there was nothing stopping them bolting the development engine into a car and running it on a dyno, or taking it to windshear, etc etc.
they can't seem to get the engine to run cleanly in a car yet, this is stuff that should have been sorted before the test, they have now lost the test time that would have been invaluable in learning about the new car to trying to sort basic installation issues out.
its all well and good saying they are being adventurous, but it;s a bit fundamental if the engine won't run right.
Scuffers said:
I find it almost unbelievable they are in this position.
they have had 2 years to get this right, last year there was nothing stopping them bolting the development engine into a car and running it on a dyno, or taking it to windshear, etc etc.
they can't seem to get the engine to run cleanly in a car yet, this is stuff that should have been sorted before the test, they have now lost the test time that would have been invaluable in learning about the new car to trying to sort basic installation issues out.
its all well and good saying they are being adventurous, but it;s a bit fundamental if the engine won't run right.
So why didn't Red Bull do that before the tests last year?they have had 2 years to get this right, last year there was nothing stopping them bolting the development engine into a car and running it on a dyno, or taking it to windshear, etc etc.
they can't seem to get the engine to run cleanly in a car yet, this is stuff that should have been sorted before the test, they have now lost the test time that would have been invaluable in learning about the new car to trying to sort basic installation issues out.
its all well and good saying they are being adventurous, but it;s a bit fundamental if the engine won't run right.
Without inside knowledge we don't know what they have or haven't done, and I don't know specifically what they are and aren't allowed to do within the rules. Somehow, though, I doubt they haven't done all that is possible and worthwhile.
But at the end of the day, this thread is about a test on a race track and that is what the cars need to do and will present issues not discovered elsewhere. Which is why they go to a race track and test.
andyps said:
So why didn't Red Bull do that before the tests last year?
Without inside knowledge we don't know what they have or haven't done, and I don't know specifically what they are and aren't allowed to do within the rules. Somehow, though, I doubt they haven't done all that is possible and worthwhile.
But at the end of the day, this thread is about a test on a race track and that is what the cars need to do and will present issues not discovered elsewhere. Which is why they go to a race track and test.
red-bull (and all the renault teams) were screwed by Renault last year, the powertrain simply did not work together last year.Without inside knowledge we don't know what they have or haven't done, and I don't know specifically what they are and aren't allowed to do within the rules. Somehow, though, I doubt they haven't done all that is possible and worthwhile.
But at the end of the day, this thread is about a test on a race track and that is what the cars need to do and will present issues not discovered elsewhere. Which is why they go to a race track and test.
I find it extremely unlikely that Honda have mess up in the same way.
Scuffers said:
andyps said:
So why didn't Red Bull do that before the tests last year?
Without inside knowledge we don't know what they have or haven't done, and I don't know specifically what they are and aren't allowed to do within the rules. Somehow, though, I doubt they haven't done all that is possible and worthwhile.
But at the end of the day, this thread is about a test on a race track and that is what the cars need to do and will present issues not discovered elsewhere. Which is why they go to a race track and test.
red-bull (and all the renault teams) were screwed by Renault last year, the powertrain simply did not work together last year.Without inside knowledge we don't know what they have or haven't done, and I don't know specifically what they are and aren't allowed to do within the rules. Somehow, though, I doubt they haven't done all that is possible and worthwhile.
But at the end of the day, this thread is about a test on a race track and that is what the cars need to do and will present issues not discovered elsewhere. Which is why they go to a race track and test.
I find it extremely unlikely that Honda have mess up in the same way.
Scuffers said:
007 VXR said:
It worked, but just not IN the car which it had never been run in until the test day.
that's the inexcusable bit.Merc ran their car at silverstone before going to this test...
hell, why was it not in a car 2 months ago running on a rotatest or the like?
suffolk009 said:
Interesting that amongst all the doom and gloom about McLaren, they remain second favourites with the bookies for the WDC.
what do they know that we don't? - wonder by the end of this test if the odds will still be the same?Not really being doom and gloom about it, I always was a bit of a Mclaren fan, I am simply just amazed at what I am seeing, test days are invaluable, limited, etc. and to waste them on basic running issues seems to be to be not only wasteful but likely to hamstring them significantly.
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