Was it Nico or Lewis at fault in Spain?
Poll: Was it Nico or Lewis at fault in Spain?
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Because it's a split second in time.
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t a car. st grass. st a car.
On the basis he ended up on the grass less than a second later, safe to say it's was a very momentary input...
Just a perfect storm really. Two blokes in hyper aggressive mode . Occasionally these things end in tears I'm afraid
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t a car. st grass. st a car.On the basis he ended up on the grass less than a second later, safe to say it's was a very momentary input...
Just a perfect storm really. Two blokes in hyper aggressive mode . Occasionally these things end in tears I'm afraid
Edited by Vocal Minority on Monday 16th May 22:28
If Merc built the cars for proper racing, they could've had a bit of argy bargey, rejoined the track and continued racing.
These delicate toys come apart if you sneeze on them.
F1 is for wimps. All the drivers are tiny, like Prince.
BTCC is for powerfully built company directors. Yessir!
These delicate toys come apart if you sneeze on them.
F1 is for wimps. All the drivers are tiny, like Prince.
BTCC is for powerfully built company directors. Yessir!
Turquoise said:
Why the hell is Hamilton steering towards Rosberg in the above picture?
Because both his and Nico's cars are heading off the circuit to the right. At this point Hamilton needs to turn left to stay on the tarmac because his right turn for the gap was a lot of steering angle. A few ms after this he would have stopped turning left, otherwise they would have crashed there instead of further down the track.Yep 50/50 Racing incident IMO.
Lewis was pissed off at his poor start (again!), Nico was in the wrong mode and when he changed it he probably looked down for a split second, looked back up and saw Lewis in the mirror trying to overtake, so panicked and tried to close the door but didn't realise Lewis had his foot firmly in the door....only going to end in one outcome.
Just a good job they collected each other as if Nico had avoided the collision, the WDC wouldn't be as interesting with Nico well clear. Also it left us with a fantastic race!
No-one seems to have questioned how Nico made such a great start in the wrong mode.....maybe thats the best mode for starts for Lewis in the future!
Lewis was pissed off at his poor start (again!), Nico was in the wrong mode and when he changed it he probably looked down for a split second, looked back up and saw Lewis in the mirror trying to overtake, so panicked and tried to close the door but didn't realise Lewis had his foot firmly in the door....only going to end in one outcome.
Just a good job they collected each other as if Nico had avoided the collision, the WDC wouldn't be as interesting with Nico well clear. Also it left us with a fantastic race!
No-one seems to have questioned how Nico made such a great start in the wrong mode.....maybe thats the best mode for starts for Lewis in the future!
audi321 said:
Yep 50/50 Racing incident IMO.
Lewis was pissed off at his poor start (again!), Nico was in the wrong mode and when he changed it he probably looked down for a split second, looked back up and saw Lewis in the mirror trying to overtake, so panicked and tried to close the door but didn't realise Lewis had his foot firmly in the door....only going to end in one outcome.
Just a good job they collected each other as if Nico had avoided the collision, the WDC wouldn't be as interesting with Nico well clear. Also it left us with a fantastic race!
No-one seems to have questioned how Nico made such a great start in the wrong mode.....maybe thats the best mode for starts for Lewis in the future!
You may wish to deliberate your poor start hypothesis with Rosbeg falling into regeneration mode all by his lonesome...Lewis was pissed off at his poor start (again!), Nico was in the wrong mode and when he changed it he probably looked down for a split second, looked back up and saw Lewis in the mirror trying to overtake, so panicked and tried to close the door but didn't realise Lewis had his foot firmly in the door....only going to end in one outcome.
Just a good job they collected each other as if Nico had avoided the collision, the WDC wouldn't be as interesting with Nico well clear. Also it left us with a fantastic race!
No-one seems to have questioned how Nico made such a great start in the wrong mode.....maybe thats the best mode for starts for Lewis in the future!
lostkiwi said:
For me this image says it all.
Article 27.7 requires the leading driver to leave room, if there is a “significant portion” of the car attempting to pass alongside.”
A significant portion is deemed to be the front wing.
At this point Hamilton is clearly fully on the track and has his front wing overlapping Rosbergs car.
Rosberg clearly in my view did not follow the rule.
This ones good though:Article 27.7 requires the leading driver to leave room, if there is a “significant portion” of the car attempting to pass alongside.”
A significant portion is deemed to be the front wing.
At this point Hamilton is clearly fully on the track and has his front wing overlapping Rosbergs car.
Rosberg clearly in my view did not follow the rule.
"I didn't realise lewis was there"
williamp said:
or Lewis knew another good chance gone. Lewis has had years like this before, and they have never ended well..
Isn't it odd that Lewis didn't swerve and block Rosberg when he overtook him the previous corner? Lewis gave him room, let him past, didnt run him off the track or anything. Rosberg did just that, went way, way off the racing line to block Lewis, knowing he had less power and was slower and was going to lose one, possibly even 2 places. It was amateur and reckless. Had Lewis not swerved, he would have hit him up the back.
This of course goes back to last year. Nico accused lewis a couple of times of agressively running him off circuit, one time resulted in the hat throwing.Isn't it odd that Lewis didn't swerve and block Rosberg when he overtook him the previous corner? Lewis gave him room, let him past, didnt run him off the track or anything. Rosberg did just that, went way, way off the racing line to block Lewis, knowing he had less power and was slower and was going to lose one, possibly even 2 places. It was amateur and reckless. Had Lewis not swerved, he would have hit him up the back.
Nico tried to pay him back, assuming it was accepted as fair game between them and got it wrong.
Jackie Stewart says it was Hamiltons fault and should be disciplined by the team.
Jackie Stewart said:
‘It was all emotion. First lap. Desperation. That’s not the way to win, not consistently. Hamilton is to blame. Rosberg is allowed to protect himself. You don’t go for it on the first lap.
‘It’s just completely wrong. And then to throw the steering wheel out of the car. Probably £30,000-£40,000 of steering wheel.
‘It’s difficult for them to leave Lewis out for a race when they need to win the world championship. But there does need to be discipline.
‘I would certainly have penalised the driver who made that mistake on the first lap. It would have to be financial. But Lewis is making such a lot of money that it might not be a big penalty to him.
‘It’s just completely wrong. And then to throw the steering wheel out of the car. Probably £30,000-£40,000 of steering wheel.
‘It’s difficult for them to leave Lewis out for a race when they need to win the world championship. But there does need to be discipline.
‘I would certainly have penalised the driver who made that mistake on the first lap. It would have to be financial. But Lewis is making such a lot of money that it might not be a big penalty to him.
SeeFive said:
Clevers said:
...snip
Rosberg's got form - the fake aborted qualifying lap at Monaco, the incident at Spa and now this one.
The guy comes across as 'all Britney Spears' in interviews, but he knows what he is doing.
Got form? Never, not mr butter-wouldn't-melt. This was the first thing I thought of and I couldn't remember where or when it was until this post appears on the other thread, just knew it was dusty not grassy...Rosberg's got form - the fake aborted qualifying lap at Monaco, the incident at Spa and now this one.
The guy comes across as 'all Britney Spears' in interviews, but he knows what he is doing.
FourWheelDrift said:
Rosberg has form for doing that. Bahrain 2012
Bahrain 2012 incidents.
On Alonso - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_sMZG0MLcc
On Hamilton - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC05YfPIBVc
Bahrain 2012 incidents.
On Alonso - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_sMZG0MLcc
On Hamilton - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC05YfPIBVc
I voted 50/50 for this one.
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LandR said:
Jackie Stewart says it was Hamiltons fault and should be disciplined by the team.
Sir Jackie is talking crap. Again.Jackie Stewart said:
‘It was all emotion. First lap. Desperation. That’s not the way to win, not consistently. Hamilton is to blame. Rosberg is allowed to protect himself. You don’t go for it on the first lap.
‘It’s just completely wrong. And then to throw the steering wheel out of the car. Probably £30,000-£40,000 of steering wheel.
‘It’s difficult for them to leave Lewis out for a race when they need to win the world championship. But there does need to be discipline.
‘I would certainly have penalised the driver who made that mistake on the first lap. It would have to be financial. But Lewis is making such a lot of money that it might not be a big penalty to him.
‘It’s just completely wrong. And then to throw the steering wheel out of the car. Probably £30,000-£40,000 of steering wheel.
‘It’s difficult for them to leave Lewis out for a race when they need to win the world championship. But there does need to be discipline.
‘I would certainly have penalised the driver who made that mistake on the first lap. It would have to be financial. But Lewis is making such a lot of money that it might not be a big penalty to him.
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