Fernando Alonso
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Vaud said:
Exige77 said:
Fred is not my favourite driver but it must be said he’s not one to fold under pressure.
Not on the racing track, instead he blocked his team mate in the pits and tried to blackmail Ron Dennis... after having significant pressure from his rookie team mate.That's folding under pressure. He should have just proven his speed vs Hamilton.
"McLaren's solution to this after the controversy of Monaco was to ensure both drivers had equal fuel loads for their qualifying runs - and to alternate who had the favourable race fuel strategy. In Hungary, it was Alonso's turn to have priority. That should have meant that he left the pits first and did the most fuel-burn laps. This conferred a double advantage - it would not only give him a lighter car when he did his final qualifying run, but also more fuel for the first stint of the race. But that is not what happened. Hamilton left the garage first and was at the head of the queue waiting to go out at the start of the session, with Alonso behind. As soon as the cars had left the pits, the team radioed Hamilton to let Alonso past so they could run to the plan. But he ignored repeated requests. Dennis even came on the radio to him, but still Hamilton did not comply. Alonso was now at a disadvantage - he would not only have more fuel in his car when he did his qualifying runs, but he would get less back for the start of the race. He was shouting on the radio, asking why Hamilton was not letting him by. Then, he took matters into his own hands."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46226823
Vaud said:
Yes, I know. But he also trued to blackmail Ron Dennis to beat Lewis.
That is folding under pressure.
That's not folding under pressure, that's reacting angrily and out-of-order to the situation.That is folding under pressure.
If he folded under the pressure, he wouldn't have rebounded in the race to finish 4th in the race from 6th on the grid the next day, or beat Lewis in 5 of the next 6 races, with the team very much against him from that point on. It was a team-suicidal stupid thing for Alonso to say in that heat of moment, but on grand prix weekends (where it matters) he certainly didn't fold under pressure - despite all of that.
Even though Hamilton started the argument, both should have been punished, to be fair. Clearly both drivers were putting themselves above the team in their efforts to win the title. And as a result, neither won.
Would Lewis have got away with his Hungary qualifying behaviour in another team? Almost certainly not. How would we all feel on here if Bottas did the same to Lewis in a Qualifying session and ignore multiple requests to let Lewis pass as per team strategy and thus put him at a significant disadvantage? We would all be jumping up-and-down... and rightly so.
Ultimately, in the 2007 season Hamilton and Alonso got exactly what they deserved by failing to get on with the job at hand.
A classic case of sibling rivalry: I'm going to outdo you at all costs.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/212557/1/dennis-poin...
Edited by TobyTR on Monday 29th July 22:59
37chevy said:
You’re assuming the Hungary qualifying situation was the first strike, who knows what went on behind closed doors to get to that point....
...I suspect Alonso was rattled and tensions grew, long befor that point
Not at all. I posted in the Lewis Hamilton thread in great detail how it kicked off big time at Monaco that year, and wasn't the same after. Have a read of what happened at Monaco:...I suspect Alonso was rattled and tensions grew, long befor that point
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46225204
TobyTR said:
Not at all. I posted in the Lewis Hamilton thread in great detail how it kicked off big time at Monaco that year, and wasn't the same after. Have a read of what happened at Monaco:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46225204
Top Tip 1: don't expect no.1 status if it's not in your contracthttps://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46225204
Top Tip 2: don't join a team notorious for driver parity, if you want no.1 status
I suspect Alonso didn't think he needed to bother with the hassle of negotiating no.1 status, as he'd have had a pretty good idea who would (or more precisely -wouldn't) be in the second car
He only started asking for no.1 status when he realised how quick the rookie was
Edited by angrymoby on Tuesday 30th July 08:12
Ah the first nail in the coffin..
https://youtu.be/mLG-POZihAw
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FA great racing driver, rubbish F1 driver
https://youtu.be/mLG-POZihAw
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FA great racing driver, rubbish F1 driver
Deesee said:
Ah the first nail in the coffin..
https://youtu.be/mLG-POZihAw
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FA great racing driver, rubbish F1 driver
And what were the finishing results for that race?...https://youtu.be/mLG-POZihAw
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FA great racing driver, rubbish F1 driver
"rubbish F1 driver" - LOL.
angrymoby said:
TobyTR said:
Not at all. I posted in the Lewis Hamilton thread in great detail how it kicked off big time at Monaco that year, and wasn't the same after. Have a read of what happened at Monaco:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46225204
Top Tip 1: don't expect no.1 status if it's not in your contracthttps://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46225204
Top Tip 2: don't join a team notorious for driver parity, if you want no.1 status
I suspect Alonso didn't think he needed to bother with the hassle of negotiating no.1 status, as he'd have had a pretty good idea who would (or more precisely -wouldn't) be in the second car
He only started asking for no.1 status when he realised how quick the rookie was
Edited by angrymoby on Tuesday 30th July 08:12
ash73 said:
The bottom line is if Lewis had played the team game in his rookie season and supported Alonso they would have cleared up; instead they won nothing and lost everything. So Alonso was right.
Contrast with Leclerk's approach this year. The team comes first and he waits for the right opportunities to show everyone just how fast he is.
Leclerc. It's bloody Leclerc! L-e-c-l-e-r-c.Contrast with Leclerk's approach this year. The team comes first and he waits for the right opportunities to show everyone just how fast he is.
Leclerk.
Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh!
...and: breathe.
ash73 said:
The bottom line is if Lewis had played the team game in his rookie season and supported Alonso they would have cleared up; instead they won nothing and lost everything. So Alonso was right.
Contrast with Leclerk's approach this year. The team comes first and he waits for the right opportunities to show everyone just how fast he is.
if Lewis had "played the team game" (as instructed by alonso) he'd still be chasing his first title. Contrast with Leclerk's approach this year. The team comes first and he waits for the right opportunities to show everyone just how fast he is.
In formula e.
angrymoby said:
don't think you can label Alonso anything but one of F1's greatest drivers ...if he'd timed his career moves better, or negotiated his contracts a bit better he'd be at least a x4 WDC by now
But he didn’t, so he isn’t.If buts and maybes, Lewis could be a 7 time champion already.....it doesn’t work like that.
Let’s face it, he’s not been able to prove his talent for the best part of 10 years, so we don’t really know how good he is as an F1 driver in terms of all time greats.
One hell of a driver? Yes. In the top 10? Yes...in the top 5? Not even close
ash73 said:
The bottom line is if Lewis had played the team game in his rookie season and supported Alonso they would have cleared up; instead they won nothing and lost everything. So Alonso was right.
Contrast with Leclerk's approach this year. The team comes first and he waits for the right opportunities to show everyone just how fast he is.
team game? you do realise Alonso cost McL the WCC when he threw his toys out of the pramContrast with Leclerk's approach this year. The team comes first and he waits for the right opportunities to show everyone just how fast he is.
& how exactly was Hamilton supposed to play this 'team game' ...by going a bit slower for Fred?
& how do you know what's in Leclerc's/ Vettels contracts re: driver status? ...because we certainly know what was/ wasn't in Alonso's
Edited by angrymoby on Tuesday 30th July 20:11
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