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moanthebairns said:
I should add that I assume you are not a 40 odd something, that stays at home with the folks, reading autosport, getting excited about tyre deg.
But it paints a picture of comic book guy from simpsons your post.
To be fair, you come across as a prepubescent child who craves instant gratification every other minute and unable to comprehend a narrative 'cause you don't remember what happened last minute...no doubt craving more attention. But it paints a picture of comic book guy from simpsons your post.
JonRB said:
moanthebairns said:
I'm sick to f
k fed up of the, oh in the good old days it was like this or it never was close etc.
You're basically saying, its been st before, its st again, this is acceptable.
Its a pathetic answer, burry you're head in the sand, wait for it to be all ok again. But it isn't going to be with, huge dwindling tv and attendance audiences, no sponsors and circuits not able to make money from it.
As for, read into it, get autosport, I ask you, I fking asking you, get up of youre arse and watch moto gp this week. Who the fk wants to read about a race, why he never pitted etc, its all bks, you sound like a sad pathetic, stay at home virgin, you want to see 30 or 40 laps with guys fighting it out, every corner, every straight.
That's motor racing, what you have described is world of war craft, or chess.
Quite frankly, chap, I'd rather you got "up of youre arse" (Jesus, how hard is it to run a spell checker?) and bugger off to non-F1 threads rather than moaning on and on in a semi-literate way about how you hate F1. We get it. So why do you bother watching it? So you have have a good moan? k fed up of the, oh in the good old days it was like this or it never was close etc.You're basically saying, its been s
t before, its st again, this is acceptable.Its a pathetic answer, burry you're head in the sand, wait for it to be all ok again. But it isn't going to be with, huge dwindling tv and attendance audiences, no sponsors and circuits not able to make money from it.
As for, read into it, get autosport, I ask you, I f
king asking you, get up of youre arse and watch moto gp this week. Who the fk wants to read about a race, why he never pitted etc, its all bks, you sound like a sad pathetic, stay at home virgin, you want to see 30 or 40 laps with guys fighting it out, every corner, every straight.That's motor racing, what you have described is world of war craft, or chess.
moanthebairns said:
I should add that I assume you are not a 40 odd something, that stays at home with the folks, reading autosport, getting excited about tyre deg.
But it paints a picture of comic book guy from simpsons your post.
I'm too polite to say what your posts paint a picture of. But it paints a picture of comic book guy from simpsons your post.
I shall leave F1 to the purists. Those who continually use the come back it was s
t before so that makes it ok now. Even though it was the only motorsport available to the masses on tele weekly that's why it worked.
Still I'm sure everyone will enjoy it when it's as popular as the wrc
The problem is the detractors like moanthebairns have all the mouth but no positive input, its all entirely negative "it was better in the good old days" "the regs are st" "bernies a wker" "the teams are wkers" and repeated until fade.
Frankly they are wasting their time pushing their chest out and making all their grand proclaimations because it gets F1 and us absolutely nowhere.
But still, it gives them some sort of twisted enjoyment to bh about the sport and then watch the next race so they can bh about that one too.
t" "bernies a wker" "the teams are wkers" and repeated until fade.Frankly they are wasting their time pushing their chest out and making all their grand proclaimations because it gets F1 and us absolutely nowhere.
But still, it gives them some sort of twisted enjoyment to b
h about the sport and then watch the next race so they can bh about that one too.Crafty_ said:
The problem is the detractors like moanthebairns have all the mouth but no positive input, its all entirely negative "it was better in the good old days" "the regs are st" "bernies a wker" "the teams are wkers" and repeated until fade.
err...t" "bernies a wker" "the teams are wkers" and repeated until fade.so you have not seen the plethora of suggestions just in the last month?
moanthebairns said:
I shall leave F1 to the purists.
Any chance you can leave the F1 threads as well? It's not so much your bile filled posts aren't amusing, but they do rather detract from the interesting posts, comments, conversations and information.Oh and if you're worried about what people post painting a picture of the type of person they are.....
Crafty_ said:
The problem is the detractors like moanthebairns have all the mouth but no positive input, its all entirely negative "it was better in the good old days" "the regs are st" "bernies a wker" "the teams are wkers" and repeated until fade.
Frankly they are wasting their time pushing their chest out and making all their grand proclaimations because it gets F1 and us absolutely nowhere.
But still, it gives them some sort of twisted enjoyment to bh about the sport and then watch the next race so they can bh about that one too.
Its not difficult to be honest.t" "bernies a wker" "the teams are wkers" and repeated until fade.Frankly they are wasting their time pushing their chest out and making all their grand proclaimations because it gets F1 and us absolutely nowhere.
But still, it gives them some sort of twisted enjoyment to b
h about the sport and then watch the next race so they can bh about that one too.As of next year, introduce pro and "privateer". Privateer must be done on a below average budget.
Pro as it is just now, engine restrictions, testing etc
Privateer, give super soft tyres for qualifying.
Free pick and no tyre change obligation for race.
Free testing, unlimited engines, gearboxes.
Should they finish in top six, that starts sanctions. So they would loose testing etc.
should they finish on the podium 3 times in a year, they loose their privateer status.
Racing, allow teams to fuel up or choose to start the race on a full tank and not come in.
Remove the restriction on running one compound at least once, you can run whatever you like.
Remove DRS when approaching back markers.
Remove 2 DRS zones (id remove it all together)
Remove driver communication, unless to inform them of dangers on the track.
Driver can only indicate when he wants to come in by pushing a button.
No Data made public, nor to the other teams i.e. fuel loads.
allow teams to decide if they want to run KERS or not.
Edited by moanthebairns on Monday 8th June 19:30
moanthebairns said:
Its not difficult to be honest.
If it wasn't difficult then they would already be doing it. F1 is mired in politics, vested interests, ulterior motives, hidden agenda, and the like - it's one of the things that make it more than just cars going round a circuit. As an example, one of the "it's not difficult" suggestions of the past was to ban refuelling - I was as guilty as the next advocate for thinking that would solve everything. And that really worked didn't it?
One thing that 25 years of armchair F1 'expertise' has taught me is that the people closely involved in F1 know more about it than I ever could. And, I suspect, more than you could too; although I wouldn't presume to say for certain.
True. Let me rephrase that.
It needs more than just one quick fix.
Like the double points rule, one quick change won't fix it's problems.
Refueling if you choose to, ditching the compulsory use of both compounds or even a pit adds in two variables during the course of a race. It's too easy at the moment to match your opponent.
Adding two into the mix means you will be looking over your shoulder all down the field. And with no fuel info on tap you won't know their strategy till they show their cards.
Greater distribution of wealth won't ever happen, so you need to give the lesser teams a boost. Whats the point of them showing up every week and only shouting at them when they get in the way.
A handicap system insures a more balanced field without manufacturing grids and races.
sponsors and punters aren't going to suddenly be interested because someone is filling up with v power once a race. It needs a major shake up.
I thought of these whilst watching the one show. But not one of them is aby worse than the double points rule b
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It needs more than just one quick fix.
Like the double points rule, one quick change won't fix it's problems.
Refueling if you choose to, ditching the compulsory use of both compounds or even a pit adds in two variables during the course of a race. It's too easy at the moment to match your opponent.
Adding two into the mix means you will be looking over your shoulder all down the field. And with no fuel info on tap you won't know their strategy till they show their cards.
Greater distribution of wealth won't ever happen, so you need to give the lesser teams a boost. Whats the point of them showing up every week and only shouting at them when they get in the way.
A handicap system insures a more balanced field without manufacturing grids and races.
sponsors and punters aren't going to suddenly be interested because someone is filling up with v power once a race. It needs a major shake up.
I thought of these whilst watching the one show. But not one of them is aby worse than the double points rule b
I
Edited by moanthebairns on Monday 8th June 20:19
moanthebairns said:
The removal of run off zones.
If I go to most UK circuits on a trackday and muck up I'm in the kitty litter and om my arse.
Why Are top drivers exempt from this. The track limits should be the track. If you go plowing into the scenery thats tough luck.
Kitty litter has it's limits, especially at higher speeds. If I go to most UK circuits on a trackday and muck up I'm in the kitty litter and om my arse.
Why Are top drivers exempt from this. The track limits should be the track. If you go plowing into the scenery thats tough luck.
And... because it isn't the 1970s/80s any more and the viewing public for what is now a mass market sport will not stand for seeing multiple deaths in a season.
moanthebairns said:
The removal of run off zones.
If I go to most UK circuits on a trackday and muck up I'm in the kitty litter and om my arse.
Why Are top drivers exempt from this. The track limits should be the track. If you go plowing into the scenery thats tough luck.
Several reasons. If I go to most UK circuits on a trackday and muck up I'm in the kitty litter and om my arse.
Why Are top drivers exempt from this. The track limits should be the track. If you go plowing into the scenery thats tough luck.
- It's been proven that at the speeds F1 cars can exit a track that they skip over gravel, or else dig in and flip, and that asphalt actually slows them down more efficiently and safely.
- Beached cars can't rejoin the race and we used to end up with only a handful of cars finishing.
- It's far more difficult (and hence dangerous) to recover a beached F1 car from kitty litter.
- Someone going off on gravel, and then rejoining, scatters gravel all over the racing line.
As for your attitude of "if it's good enough for me at a track day then it's good enough for an F1 driver", well, words fail me.
Edited by JonRB on Monday 8th June 21:17
LordGrover said:
Maybe it's just info-overload.
If we weren't given so much superfluous information we could concentrate on the racing instead of moaning about team orders, excessive 'deg', delta times, etc.
ETA typo.
I actually think that this is half of the problem. Even Bernie told MB, 'you know too much.'If we weren't given so much superfluous information we could concentrate on the racing instead of moaning about team orders, excessive 'deg', delta times, etc.
ETA typo.
Edited by LordGrover on Monday 8th June 16:02
But we never know all of the facts, just a lot about some of the facts. And that makes us think we could do better.
What I find funny if you take out the people moaning about f1 then the post from the f1 fans moaning about the moaners you end up with about 10-15 pages for a f1 weekend.
You can tell something is wrong when a full weekend gets 15 pages.
Missed this race like a lot this year and tbh it doesn't bother me anymore.
You can tell something is wrong when a full weekend gets 15 pages.
Missed this race like a lot this year and tbh it doesn't bother me anymore.
Gaz. said:
moanthebairns said:
The removal of run off zones.
If I go to most UK circuits on a trackday and muck up I'm in the kitty litter and om my arse.
Why Are top drivers exempt from this. The track limits should be the track. If you go plowing into the scenery thats tough luck.
Dorna & FIM had a lot to do with the tarmac run off zones as it was safer for the riders to slide & not tumble and the bikes were less likely to get airbourne and go over the catch fencing. The FIA then noticed the reduction in serious accidents like this one:If I go to most UK circuits on a trackday and muck up I'm in the kitty litter and om my arse.
Why Are top drivers exempt from this. The track limits should be the track. If you go plowing into the scenery thats tough luck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtyY50gMEts
Stroll was always going to turn over, but the soft run off made it much worse and caused the car to tumble.
moanthebairns said:
Its not difficult to be honest.
As of next year, introduce pro and "privateer". Privateer must be done on a below average budget.
Pro as it is just now, engine restrictions, testing etc
Privateer, give super soft tyres for qualifying.
Free pick and no tyre change obligation for race.
Free testing, unlimited engines, gearboxes.
Should they finish in top six, that starts sanctions. So they would loose testing etc.
should they finish on the podium 3 times in a year, they loose their privateer status.
Racing, allow teams to fuel up or choose to start the race on a full tank and not come in.
Remove the restriction on running one compound at least once, you can run whatever you like.
Remove DRS when approaching back markers.
Remove 2 DRS zones (id remove it all together)
Remove driver communication, unless to inform them of dangers on the track.
Driver can only indicate when he wants to come in by pushing a button.
No Data made public, nor to the other teams i.e. fuel loads.
allow teams to decide if they want to run KERS or not.
Right then, F1 and F1.5 is what you propose. Ok, fine.As of next year, introduce pro and "privateer". Privateer must be done on a below average budget.
Pro as it is just now, engine restrictions, testing etc
Privateer, give super soft tyres for qualifying.
Free pick and no tyre change obligation for race.
Free testing, unlimited engines, gearboxes.
Should they finish in top six, that starts sanctions. So they would loose testing etc.
should they finish on the podium 3 times in a year, they loose their privateer status.
Racing, allow teams to fuel up or choose to start the race on a full tank and not come in.
Remove the restriction on running one compound at least once, you can run whatever you like.
Remove DRS when approaching back markers.
Remove 2 DRS zones (id remove it all together)
Remove driver communication, unless to inform them of dangers on the track.
Driver can only indicate when he wants to come in by pushing a button.
No Data made public, nor to the other teams i.e. fuel loads.
allow teams to decide if they want to run KERS or not.
Edited by moanthebairns on Monday 8th June 19:30
So, given the b
hing about engine costs currently, how are the F1.5 teams going to afford unlimited engines ? keep in mind that the "big" teams will make the engines to suit themselves and their required engine life. Aside from that, they do quite well, but can't afford to go to F1, so therefore back off to avoid scoring 6th places / podiums as necessary, run a unnecessary pit stop to top off fuel late in the race to shunt them backwards etc. So this will create great racing will it ? Not really.
Meanwhile the F1 teams know that they don't need to go flat out, because the F1.5 teams won't be pushing. Great racing there too then ? Hardly.
Instead of creating a close field of racing, you simply create two with exactly the same problems and issues you saw yesterday.
On top of that the "small" teams don't want a race series of their own - they are rejecting customer cars for that very reason, they want to compete on a level playing field with the big boys and have a go at giant slaying - fair enough.
I do not think you'd find much, if any support for a split regulation series with any team.
Its also going to be massively confusing for the view "why has he got a penalty and that other driver doesn't ?" "why has he got to change tyres and the guy behind him hasn't?" "why doesn't he stop for fuel?" and so on.
Different fuel loads between cars is as fake as DRS. The refuelling era of F1 was mundane and boring once the teams got the hang of planning the strategies.
I'd strongly echo the other comments about armchair enthusiasts.. F1 is far more complex than any of us actually realise.
Allow as many manufacturer's cars to race as they want - what's wrong with 3 or 4 Ferraris?
Allow privateers to buy manufacturer's cars? Why not allow teams to run last years Mercedes or Ferarri?
Allow leading drivers to swap into a team mate's car when they break down - why shouldn't Alonso take over Jenson's car when his own one breaks?
Replace kerbs, rumble strips and sausages with oil cans and bales of hay - that'd stop them cutting the corners!
Give a point (or two) for fastest lap and a point for pole.
Stop stupid penalties - just stop them...
Sure I can think of a few more, just let me carry on reading Stirling Moss's book
Allow privateers to buy manufacturer's cars? Why not allow teams to run last years Mercedes or Ferarri?
Allow leading drivers to swap into a team mate's car when they break down - why shouldn't Alonso take over Jenson's car when his own one breaks?
Replace kerbs, rumble strips and sausages with oil cans and bales of hay - that'd stop them cutting the corners!
Give a point (or two) for fastest lap and a point for pole.
Stop stupid penalties - just stop them...
Sure I can think of a few more, just let me carry on reading Stirling Moss's book
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