**** American Grand Prix ***** (contains spoilers)
Discussion
Hungrymc said:
Final thought : I watched on sky, really don't like the commentary team, I'm not sure what they're watching but for the first half of the race they were constantly out of sync with what was actually happening in terms of gaps between cars (stating gaps were opening when they were closing etc). One of them actually said it would be a shame if any of the cars that were being investigated for speeding under yellow flags were penalised..... Very poor taste and very short memories (I know it was double waved yellows but I stand by the point)
I have to agree. Being sad, I watched both and SKY still seem amateurish in comparison. I think that they are trying to reduce it to football commentary levels where they have to raise the voices to scream pitch every time the slightest thing happens, it is almost like they have never watched F1 before and they are sat screening at the telly. Martin is not seeing things anything like as quickly as DC does and can't remember things that happened minutes before e.g. The effect of 5secs penalty.
rdjohn said:
I have to agree. Being sad, I watched both and SKY still seem amateurish in comparison.
I think that they are trying to reduce it to football commentary levels where they have to raise the voices to scream pitch every time the slightest thing happens, it is almost like they have never watched F1 before and they are sat screening at the telly. Martin is not seeing things anything like as quickly as DC does and can't remember things that happened minutes before e.g. The effect of 5secs penalty.
Hmmm. I find Crofty one of the better commentators and have a lot of time for Brundle. I briefly switched over to the BBC commentary for contrast a few races ago and found it very amateurish and inferior. I much prefer what Sky are doing. I think that they are trying to reduce it to football commentary levels where they have to raise the voices to scream pitch every time the slightest thing happens, it is almost like they have never watched F1 before and they are sat screening at the telly. Martin is not seeing things anything like as quickly as DC does and can't remember things that happened minutes before e.g. The effect of 5secs penalty.
Oh well, each to their own and all that.
Isn't it nice that we have a choice (of sorts) at the moment.
007 VXR said:
Derek Smith said:
I was watching the race with a knowledgeable friend on a chat room. The bloke predicted everything that happened between the two Mercs, his only error was predicting LH's pass at three laps later. He said that what fooled him was LH making up 1.5secs in four laps. He predicted the 2.5 sec gap, it being optimum according to him.
This has been a great season. I was concerned that the changes would mean a boring one.
IIRC it was 2.4sec gap ? This has been a great season. I was concerned that the changes would mean a boring one.
JonRB said:
rdjohn said:
I have to agree. Being sad, I watched both and SKY still seem amateurish in comparison.
I think that they are trying to reduce it to football commentary levels where they have to raise the voices to scream pitch every time the slightest thing happens, it is almost like they have never watched F1 before and they are sat screening at the telly. Martin is not seeing things anything like as quickly as DC does and can't remember things that happened minutes before e.g. The effect of 5secs penalty.
Hmmm. I find Crofty one of the better commentators and have a lot of time for Brundle. I briefly switched over to the BBC commentary for contrast a few races ago and found it very amateurish and inferior. I much prefer what Sky are doing. I think that they are trying to reduce it to football commentary levels where they have to raise the voices to scream pitch every time the slightest thing happens, it is almost like they have never watched F1 before and they are sat screening at the telly. Martin is not seeing things anything like as quickly as DC does and can't remember things that happened minutes before e.g. The effect of 5secs penalty.
Oh well, each to their own and all that.
Isn't it nice that we have a choice (of sorts) at the moment.
The worst thing that can happen now is a reliability issue in the last race affecting one of the Mercedes cars. I suspect Hamilton will be more careful in the next races, but if given the option he will go for the race win. His race craft certainly seems to have improved a lot. He's always been fast, but he seems to have given up that bit of qualifying pace to get the car a bit better for the actual race. Also he's done very well in regards to how he's approached any overtaking. Keep a bit back out of the worst of the dirty air, then put in some fast laps and get the pass done, pull away slightly and then manage the gap. Previously I think he would have just pushed the whole time to try and pass and potentially have messed up his tyres being in the dirty air.
Evo Sean said:
Has anyone done the maths on the remainder of the season?
If Nico wins both races he'll receive 75 points. If Lewis then comes 2nd in both races he'll receive 51 points.
Add that to the currents totals gives you:
316 + 51 = 367
292 + 75 = 367
Championship will go to Lewis on number of race wins. Clearly a very hypothetical situation but pressure is off for Lewis.
I reserve the right to be corrected on my man maths. It's early!
What you need to think of though is this (as I posted last night).If Nico wins both races he'll receive 75 points. If Lewis then comes 2nd in both races he'll receive 51 points.
Add that to the currents totals gives you:
316 + 51 = 367
292 + 75 = 367
Championship will go to Lewis on number of race wins. Clearly a very hypothetical situation but pressure is off for Lewis.
I reserve the right to be corrected on my man maths. It's early!
If Lewis wins in Brazil with Nico having a DNF Lewis goes to Abu with a 49 point lead.
If Nico wins in Abu with a DNF for Lewis then Nico will take the title by 1 (one) solitary point!
All thanks to the poison dwarf & his 'lets improve the show' b
ks.How pissed off would Lewis be if that scenario were to occur?
It's a joke. Double points. That's for Mickey Mouse championships (or the BTCC) & not for F1.
Just saying that it could happen. Don't think it will but who knows?
Jasandjules said:
suffolk009 said:
I think Ham will want to win at Brazil, but will settle for second and a WDC at Abu Doubli.
I will be surprised if he settles for second, ever!If he gets second he will have fought to be there, I don't think he understands 'cruise' unless he is at the front and in control of the race. There is no way he will want to do Nico any favours in the remaining races, in fact based on this seasons events I would say Lewis's need to beat Nico will be stronger than ever.
007 VXR said:
Jasandjules said:
Evo Sean said:
Has anyone done the maths on the remainder of the season?
If Nico wins both races he'll receive 75 points. If Lewis then comes 2nd in both races he'll receive 51 points.
Regardless of the maths, that would mean Lewis "settling" for second places. I don't see that happening. If it is the final corner of the final lap and he thinks there is a spot to overtake Nico, he'd be going for it!If Nico wins both races he'll receive 75 points. If Lewis then comes 2nd in both races he'll receive 51 points.
Not sure that will happen unless Lewis's car is damaged.
NRS said:
A lot of people said Sky was much better in the Japanese GP, and that the BBC had missed out on the accident and so on. So yes, interesting to see people saying the complete opposite now.
The worst thing that can happen now is a reliability issue in the last race affecting one of the Mercedes cars. I suspect Hamilton will be more careful in the next races, but if given the option he will go for the race win. His race craft certainly seems to have improved a lot. He's always been fast, but he seems to have given up that bit of qualifying pace to get the car a bit better for the actual race. Also he's done very well in regards to how he's approached any overtaking. Keep a bit back out of the worst of the dirty air, then put in some fast laps and get the pass done, pull away slightly and then manage the gap. Previously I think he would have just pushed the whole time to try and pass and potentially have messed up his tyres being in the dirty air.
Agree with all f that. Sky did pick the Japan incident way before BBC. And EJ is a buffoon (only there as a controversial foil to DC) but I do think the BBC team generally keep on top of what is happening on track better.The worst thing that can happen now is a reliability issue in the last race affecting one of the Mercedes cars. I suspect Hamilton will be more careful in the next races, but if given the option he will go for the race win. His race craft certainly seems to have improved a lot. He's always been fast, but he seems to have given up that bit of qualifying pace to get the car a bit better for the actual race. Also he's done very well in regards to how he's approached any overtaking. Keep a bit back out of the worst of the dirty air, then put in some fast laps and get the pass done, pull away slightly and then manage the gap. Previously I think he would have just pushed the whole time to try and pass and potentially have messed up his tyres being in the dirty air.
Re Lewis, Nico made a bit of a late half hearted attempt to defend yesterday, I really don't think he expected the pass on that lap. Lewis tried to very deliberately take the line but to keep Nico on the outside and run him wide so there was little or no chance of an immediate fight back. A very professional pass, Lewis hit the apex and didn't even run over the kerb on exit. But there were still two moments very near to contact as Nico tried to squeeze (which was also fair but hard). Can you imagine the uproar if they had touched, there would be lots of nonsense on here saying that Lewis was 'too far back', 'he dived into a closing gap', 'the pass was never on', 'he needs his yellow helmet back'. etc etc etc.
It was an excellent pass as have most of Lewis's been this year (the pass in Japan was magnificent).
Hungrymc said:
NRS said:
A lot of people said Sky was much better in the Japanese GP, and that the BBC had missed out on the accident and so on. So yes, interesting to see people saying the complete opposite now.
The worst thing that can happen now is a reliability issue in the last race affecting one of the Mercedes cars. I suspect Hamilton will be more careful in the next races, but if given the option he will go for the race win. His race craft certainly seems to have improved a lot. He's always been fast, but he seems to have given up that bit of qualifying pace to get the car a bit better for the actual race. Also he's done very well in regards to how he's approached any overtaking. Keep a bit back out of the worst of the dirty air, then put in some fast laps and get the pass done, pull away slightly and then manage the gap. Previously I think he would have just pushed the whole time to try and pass and potentially have messed up his tyres being in the dirty air.
Agree with all f that. Sky did pick the Japan incident way before BBC. And EJ is a buffoon (only there as a controversial foil to DC) but I do think the BBC team generally keep on top of what is happening on track better.The worst thing that can happen now is a reliability issue in the last race affecting one of the Mercedes cars. I suspect Hamilton will be more careful in the next races, but if given the option he will go for the race win. His race craft certainly seems to have improved a lot. He's always been fast, but he seems to have given up that bit of qualifying pace to get the car a bit better for the actual race. Also he's done very well in regards to how he's approached any overtaking. Keep a bit back out of the worst of the dirty air, then put in some fast laps and get the pass done, pull away slightly and then manage the gap. Previously I think he would have just pushed the whole time to try and pass and potentially have messed up his tyres being in the dirty air.
Re Lewis, Nico made a bit of a late half hearted attempt to defend yesterday, I really don't think he expected the pass on that lap. Lewis tried to very deliberately take the line but to keep Nico on the outside and run him wide so there was little or no chance of an immediate fight back. A very professional pass, Lewis hit the apex and didn't even run over the kerb on exit. But there were still two moments very near to contact as Nico tried to squeeze (which was also fair but hard). Can you imagine the uproar if they had touched, there would be lots of nonsense on here saying that Lewis was 'too far back', 'he dived into a closing gap', 'the pass was never on', 'he needs his yellow helmet back'. etc etc etc.
It was an excellent pass as have most of Lewis's been this year (the pass in Japan was magnificent).
I have to agree with other posters - the Austin GP looks like an all round top event (aside from the overwrought rendition of the US National Anthem, which made me queasy), and people rave about Austin itself. I think I will have to say the pennies and go one year.
How soo many openly hate Lewis Hamilton, particularly on this forum is beyond me. If other drove the way he drives, win or lose, f1 would be a far greater spectacle.
Imo, if we had a field with 6 Lewis Hamilton's, 6 Daniel Ricciardo's, 2 Alonso's, and 2 Jenson's would do me. F**k the rest (excuse my language)
Imo, if we had a field with 6 Lewis Hamilton's, 6 Daniel Ricciardo's, 2 Alonso's, and 2 Jenson's would do me. F**k the rest (excuse my language)
I know we'd all kill for the jobs but it's been a long season for the Sky crew and they have lost a bit of sharpness. Still far better than the Beeb (love the Beeb as an institution).
The way Sky handled the Bianchi incident and aftermath was fantastic and Brundle has become a fantastic presenter IMHO.
The way Sky handled the Bianchi incident and aftermath was fantastic and Brundle has become a fantastic presenter IMHO.
Brundle is a staunch supporter of F1 and I got the distinct impression yesterday that he was more than a little pissed off at the negative talk surrounding the sport and probably, the editorial direction of the pre-race coverage that he had no doubt been obliged to follow. As a result, he wasn't quite as on it as he normally is until the race started to come alive.
Jonsnow606 said:
How soo many openly hate Lewis Hamilton, particularly on this forum is beyond me. If other drove the way he drives, win or lose, f1 would be a far greater spectacle.
Imo, if we had a field with 6 Lewis Hamilton's, 6 Daniel Ricciardo's, 2 Alonso's, and 2 Jenson's would do me. F**k the rest (excuse my language)
It's beyond me as well - since Spa Lewis hasn't been beaten. He seems to have upped his race diving to another level & he now drives with his head & not his heart.Imo, if we had a field with 6 Lewis Hamilton's, 6 Daniel Ricciardo's, 2 Alonso's, and 2 Jenson's would do me. F**k the rest (excuse my language)
Witness yesterday. There was no 'first corner lunge' towards Rosberg. He KNEW he could beat him over the race distance so he took his time, looked after his tyres & then breezed past Rosberg who yielded with barely a murmur.
That is the style of a champion, the style of a man who knows that so long as his car stays together he cannot be beaten.
He is supremely happy where he is & that showed in the drivers room after the race. He didn't b
h about Massa, he didn't bh about Nico or the team.He took the plaudits for a great drive, another 25 points, a 24 point lead & a job (almost) done.
War.fatboy69 said:
What you need to think of though is this (as I posted last night).
If Lewis wins in Brazil with Nico having a DNF Lewis goes to Abu with a 49 point lead.
If Nico wins in Abu with a DNF for Lewis then Nico will take the title by 1 (one) solitary point!
What odds for 2 Merc DNFs in the last race? Due to a 'racing incident'. If Lewis wins in Brazil with Nico having a DNF Lewis goes to Abu with a 49 point lead.
If Nico wins in Abu with a DNF for Lewis then Nico will take the title by 1 (one) solitary point!
vetrof said:
fatboy69 said:
What you need to think of though is this (as I posted last night).
If Lewis wins in Brazil with Nico having a DNF Lewis goes to Abu with a 49 point lead.
If Nico wins in Abu with a DNF for Lewis then Nico will take the title by 1 (one) solitary point!
What odds for 2 Merc DNFs in the last race? Due to a 'racing incident'. If Lewis wins in Brazil with Nico having a DNF Lewis goes to Abu with a 49 point lead.
If Nico wins in Abu with a DNF for Lewis then Nico will take the title by 1 (one) solitary point!
Lewis will not do anything daft - as he showed yesterday. The new Lewis now knows that the race isn't won on the first corner - not a criticism of Lewis in any way - & he knows that he can beat Nico in a straight fight.
I doubt very much that Nico would get involved in a first corner incident with Lewis again because he knows how much s
t would be thrown at him & he knows that it would be frowned upon, at the very least, by Messrs Lauda, Wolff, Lowe etc so he will avoid it.StevieBee said:
Brundle is a staunch supporter of F1 and I got the distinct impression yesterday that he was more than a little pissed off at the negative talk surrounding the sport and probably, the editorial direction of the pre-race coverage that he had no doubt been obliged to follow. As a result, he wasn't quite as on it as he normally is until the race started to come alive.
Brundle would be the ideal choice to take over from Bernie.Sensible, smart, extremely well respected & very knowledgeable when it comes to all things F1.
Give him a month & he would knock the business, sorry sport, into shape.
fatboy69 said:
Brundle would be the ideal choice to take over from Bernie.
Sensible, smart, extremely well respected & very knowledgeable when it comes to all things F1.
Give him a month & he would knock the business, sorry sport, into shape.
Brundle was never a favourite at the FIA. In fact he was severely criticised for some of his comments during a period when there was someone else at the top. His comments were in the Times or Sundays Times and they were carefully considered. It was to the effect that the fine against McLaren had the appearance of a witch-hunt, or something similar. Mosley, in his normal open handed view of the press, issued a writ against him for libel. I was told that it had little/no chance of going anywhere but the mere fact of it being issued was enough. It frightened other commentators. Sensible, smart, extremely well respected & very knowledgeable when it comes to all things F1.
Give him a month & he would knock the business, sorry sport, into shape.
This was against an F1 commentator who had received awards for his professionalism from just about anyone who could give them. He was, and remains, one of the highest regarded commentators in the sport.
Just to show his bottle, Brundle did no more than go on the attack a couple of weeks later in the same column.
He was vociferous about the spanky Mosley scandal, pointing out that it was double standards as his conduct was likely to bring the sport into disrepute, a common catch-all that Mosley used.
Brundle would be wasted as head of F1. He's magic in his present role but I'm not sure he has the ability to drag the sport back from the precipice that Ecclestone has pushed it towards - and let's hope not over.
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