**** American Grand Prix ***** (contains spoilers)

**** American Grand Prix ***** (contains spoilers)

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fatboy69

9,375 posts

188 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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I don't think he would be wasted - I think he would be a breath of fresh air.

He would be able to bring fresh ideas into the sport, he would listen to what was & he would act in the best interest of F1 & NOT himself.

Added to that he gets on well with Todt & all of the team principals & drivers so how could he do any worse than the current bunch of idiots?

Only downside would be that he would be lost as the best presenter on any TV channel.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

275 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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fatboy69 said:
I don't think he would be wasted - I think he would be a breath of fresh air.

He would be able to bring fresh ideas into the sport, he would listen to what was & he would act in the best interest of F1 & NOT himself.

Added to that he gets on well with Todt & all of the team principals & drivers so how could he do any worse than the current bunch of idiots?

Only downside would be that he would be lost as the best presenter on any TV channel.
don't agree..

whilst he is undoubtedly the best commentator out there with very good understanding of what's what and who is who, that does not make him qualified to do Berni's job.

Berni is a deal maker, of the poker-playing kind, who can also add up in his head faster than just about anybody else and play politics that make our current residents of Westminster look like a kinder-garden.

you may not like him, but you cannot ignore the fact that he is F1 as we know it.

I am sure he would rather have retired by now, his problem is though, nobody else that has been looked at for the job come close to what is required and who Berni has not already seen straight though.

I have in the past worked with one or two people like this (in business), and they are pretty much irreplaceable, the usual problem is that if they are in-place for any real length of time, the whole companies operation/processes/attitudes tend to get moulded around their way of working, making change extremely difficult.

One of these guys was THE best commercial negotiator I have ever seen, it was plain scary the way he could plan his play ahead, then be able to not only adapt on the fly to what was being offered, but re-calculate the outcome, work out how to steer it, and put it across like the others wanted this all along, usually having taken their pants down in the process, all with a smile on his face and the others thinking they had done well out of it, his mental arithmetic was just scary.








cayman-black

12,700 posts

217 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Jonsnow606 said:
How soo many openly hate Lewis Hamilton, particularly on this forum is beyond me. If other drove the way he drives, win or lose, f1 would be a far greater spectacle.

Imo, if we had a field with 6 Lewis Hamilton's, 6 Daniel Ricciardo's, 2 Alonso's, and 2 Jenson's would do me. F**k the rest (excuse my language)
Funny you say that as when i read this forum i think its is full of hamilton supporters.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

275 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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cayman-black said:
Jonsnow606 said:
How soo many openly hate Lewis Hamilton, particularly on this forum is beyond me. If other drove the way he drives, win or lose, f1 would be a far greater spectacle.

Imo, if we had a field with 6 Lewis Hamilton's, 6 Daniel Ricciardo's, 2 Alonso's, and 2 Jenson's would do me. F**k the rest (excuse my language)
Funny you say that as when i read this forum i think its is full of hamilton supporters.
think your in the minority then?

over the years we have had more than a few that will knock LH for just being LH.

He is hard to ignore, especially at the moment.

smithyithy

7,271 posts

119 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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On a lighter note.. Among the usual American celeb spotting, it was pretty cool to hear Matt Le Blanc talk about his Porsche obsession!

I'm sure I'd heard before that we was a Porsche guy, but he clearly knows his stuff, claiming he has a GT2RS, a 930, an '88 Carrera and has just bought a new Turbo S, then went on about why likes the cars so much cool

Gad-Westy

14,671 posts

214 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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smithyithy said:
On a lighter note.. Among the usual American celeb spotting, it was pretty cool to hear Matt Le Blanc talk about his Porsche obsession!

I'm sure I'd heard before that we was a Porsche guy, but he clearly knows his stuff, claiming he has a GT2RS, a 930, an '88 Carrera and has just bought a new Turbo S, then went on about why likes the cars so much cool
Proof:


smithyithy

7,271 posts

119 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Ah, what an episode laugh





I didn't know it extended beyond his character though, fair play.

NRS

22,254 posts

202 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Scuffers said:
cayman-black said:
Jonsnow606 said:
How soo many openly hate Lewis Hamilton, particularly on this forum is beyond me. If other drove the way he drives, win or lose, f1 would be a far greater spectacle.

Imo, if we had a field with 6 Lewis Hamilton's, 6 Daniel Ricciardo's, 2 Alonso's, and 2 Jenson's would do me. F**k the rest (excuse my language)
Funny you say that as when i read this forum i think its is full of hamilton supporters.
think your in the minority then?

over the years we have had more than a few that will knock LH for just being LH.

He is hard to ignore, especially at the moment.
I have no idea which way it is oriented, but generally you see a lot of people on both sides. Those who are "against" Hamilton tend to stay quiet when he is doing well and start posting when he does badly. Those who support him tend to post all the time, although many will take his side no matter what happens (i.e. if it was his fault or not). That's why when nothing happens to Hamilton the threads are much smaller, but if there is a big incident involving him (Monaco etc) then it tends to go crazy in here.

Targarama

14,637 posts

284 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Pleased to see Lewis win in this way. However, I'm a little disappointed that Nico didn't come back at him at bit, true sign he knew he wouldn't win the fight. At least Jenson fought back and they had a good tustle at McLaren. Thus I place Jenson higher than Nico.

smithyithy

7,271 posts

119 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Some of the battles were great.. Ricciardo, Alonso, Button, Grosjean - all having some good tussles.. I really like the track.

suffolk009

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5,497 posts

166 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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fatboy69 said:
Brundle would be the ideal choice to take over from Bernie.
I largely agree. Although I was surprised by his comment yesterday (IIRC) that he would like to see 6 works teams, and have them each supply a customer B team.

I can't be too damning of that without hearing more of the idea, but I fundamentally disagree with the idea of having manufacturers running teams. I believe a healthy future is with independent teams of constructors.

suffolk009

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5,497 posts

166 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Gad-Westy said:
Proof:

I thought it a little odd he that went on about his love of Porsche-a at quite such length when he was, I believe, there as a guest of Lotus.

(I know that Lotus F1 have next to nothing to do with the car makers in Norfolk, but you see my point)


Edited by suffolk009 on Monday 3rd November 11:57

Derek Smith

45,841 posts

249 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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To be fair, if you look at it from NR's point of view, it is now down to the last race. He has to hope for a DNF from LH either in Brazil or, preferably for him, the double-pointer. Not a lot of point in pushing hard in a race where he was only likely to get a few extra points. If he'd spun off or had suffered damage from any impact dropping him down the field, he'd be in a position where the final race lottery might not have helped him.

As it is now, whatever happens in the next race, he's still in with a chance of a win.

It is all down to numbers.

However, it might be indicative of his mindset. No driver should be happy to take the easy route.

LH has the mental high ground but I think, from his comments, he knows that this race meant little as regards results. It must have been hard to take though for NR. LH eased past without problems. That must be in the forefront of his mind. He's got two races to go against a driver who seems to have the edge over him.




Mermaid

21,492 posts

172 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Toto did suggest both the drivers would now be unleashed, 2 exciting races to go and do hope Ricciardo should not be ruled out for a race win.

DanielSan

18,851 posts

168 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Not sure he should be the replacement but Brundle in an advisory role to the FIA would be worth doing. He's a pretty sharp businessman himself, he's managed a fair few driver so certainly knows how to put deals and negotiations together, and he's someone who has the sports interest at heart. You can tell he has a true passion about it and wants to see positive changes.

VladD

7,874 posts

266 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Interesting stuff from Mark Hughes again here.

vonuber

17,868 posts

166 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Missed the race, worth catching up on iplayer?

The Surveyor

7,578 posts

238 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Targarama said:
Pleased to see Lewis win in this way. However, I'm a little disappointed that Nico didn't come back at him at bit, true sign he knew he wouldn't win the fight.
This is the main thing that struck me from the race. Nico never made any attempt to even push Lewis once he was past, he seemed to just let him past and let him get on his way to another victory. Great driving from Lewis but it suggests that Nico doesn't have any fight in him, he's just hoping that the unreliability that Lewis had at the start of the season returns to gift Nico the Championship.


Tyre Tread

10,542 posts

217 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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The Surveyor said:
This is the main thing that struck me from the race. Nico never made any attempt to even push Lewis once he was past, he seemed to just let him past and let him get on his way to another victory. Great driving from Lewis but it suggests that Nico doesn't have any fight in him, he's just hoping that the unreliability that Lewis had at the start of the season returns to gift Nico the Championship.

[tinfoilhaton)Or he knows something we don't?[/tinfoilhaton)

VladD

7,874 posts

266 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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vonuber said:
Missed the race, worth catching up on iplayer?
Definitely.