Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016

[btcc123]

I would be happy to have a couple more races in the season if the countries that the government pay the race fee to Bernie to promote their countries is used to subsidised the classic European tracks that have no government assistance.I guess this happens to a certain extent but like the top teams have a historical payment the classic European race circuits should get a historic discount.

Testing can be done for two to three days after two or three European races.Teams get paid for this from Bernie,trye manufacturers and some pay drivers.

[lee_fr200]

I think they should allow a 2 day test every gp a day of testing before free practise and a day of testing after the gp

The teams are already there and let it solely be for young drivers a) for experience and b) to develop new parts

I also think as this is the pinnacle that development should be allowed as surely long term costs would reduce

[Vaud]

lee_fr200 said:

I think they should allow a 2 day test every gp a day of testing before free practise and a day of testing after the gp

The teams are already there and let it solely be for young drivers a) for experience and b) to develop new parts

I also think as this is the pinnacle that development should be allowed as surely long term costs would reduce

Wouldn't work for back to back races. The day after might work, but you might need a much bigger parts bin as well.

I think 3-4 tests a year would be good, charge people and also open up the pits, mandate driver autograph sessions, etc. Oh, and run them on a weekend or late Friday so more people can attend.

[350Matt]

MissChief said:

While I'm all for opening the regulations in some way. (Open cockpit, four wheels, RWD, you have this much fuel to race with would be a start) it would very quickly become unsustainable. Manufacturer teams would be able to outspend everyone else and the day F1 becomes completely dominated by manufacturers is the day F1 will be in very real danger of becoming a dead horse. F1 needs manufacturers but should be beholden to them. They can come and go on a whim, often with only a few months notice.

I think that's where we are right now......

[Vaud]

350Matt said:

MissChief said:

While I'm all for opening the regulations in some way. (Open cockpit, four wheels, RWD, you have this much fuel to race with would be a start) it would very quickly become unsustainable. Manufacturer teams would be able to outspend everyone else and the day F1 becomes completely dominated by manufacturers is the day F1 will be in very real danger of becoming a dead horse. F1 needs manufacturers but should be beholden to them. They can come and go on a whim, often with only a few months notice.

I think that's where we are right now......

They can certainly leave on a whim, but they can't come in without years of planning and €100Ms...

..but then look at how many privateers have been and gone over the years.

[MartG]

Renault have a big update for this weekend - I'd laugh if they improved massively then told Red Bullst they won't supply them next season....

[JonRB]

MartG said:

Renault have a big update for this weekend - I'd laugh if they improved massively then told Red Bullst they won't supply them next season....

[glazbagun]

JonRB said:

MartG said:

Renault have a big update for this weekend - I'd laugh if they improved massively then told Red Bullst they won't supply them next season....

Red Bull 2-3 for the rest of the season with Renault complaining that the car is holding them back.

[FourWheelDrift]

glazbagun said:

Red Bull 2-3 for the rest of the season with Renault complaining that the car is holding them back.

Torro Rosso 1-2 with Renault saying the problem with Red Bull is the car.

[Scuffers]

FourWheelDrift said:

glazbagun said:

Red Bull 2-3 for the rest of the season with Renault complaining that the car is holding them back.

Torro Rosso 1-2 with Renault saying the problem with Red Bull is the car.

no matter if they are not 1-2 but so long as they are agead of the RB's and Ferrari's!

[thegreenhell]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121448

Daniel Ricciardo says Red Bull is unlikely to use Renault's new-spec Formula 1 engine for this weekend's United States Grand Prix as it is "probably not worth taking".
The French manufacturer has spent a "significant" number of the 12 development tokens it had available on an upgrade, making it available to customers Red Bull and Toro Rosso from this weekend.

Carlos Sainz Jr has confirmed Toro Rosso will not be running the system at all for the rest of the season, with Mexico, Brazil and Abu Dhabi following Sunday's event in America.
Asked by Autosport whether the team would take the new Renault engine, Sainz replied: "No. We're going to stick for the rest of the year with the old spec."

[MartG]

thegreenhell said:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121448

Daniel Ricciardo says Red Bull is unlikely to use Renault's new-spec Formula 1 engine for this weekend's United States Grand Prix as it is "probably not worth taking".
The French manufacturer has spent a "significant" number of the 12 development tokens it had available on an upgrade, making it available to customers Red Bull and Toro Rosso from this weekend.

Carlos Sainz Jr has confirmed Toro Rosso will not be running the system at all for the rest of the season, with Mexico, Brazil and Abu Dhabi following Sunday's event in America.
Asked by Autosport whether the team would take the new Renault engine, Sainz replied: "No. We're going to stick for the rest of the year with the old spec."

They'll probably still whinge about the old spec engine lacking power though

[glazbagun]

Why would you not take an updated engine on at least one car? To prevent Renault getting data for 2016?

[Emeye]

glazbagun said:

Why would you not take an updated engine on at least one car? To prevent Renault getting data for 2016?

They need as many manufacturers points as possible - less points = less share of the financial pie for next year.

[Vaud]

Emeye said:

They need as many manufacturers points as possible - less points = less share of the financial pie for next year.

You still score constructor points for an update engine...?

Reliability and knowledge of the performance - or rather, how to maximise it?

[Emeye]

Vaud said:

Emeye said:

They need as many manufacturers points as possible - less points = less share of the financial pie for next year.

You still score constructor points for an update engine...?

Reliability and knowledge of the performance - or rather, how to maximise it?

But don't they get penalties and therefore end up further down the grid if they take another engine change?

[thegreenhell]

Vaud said:

Emeye said:

They need as many manufacturers points as possible - less points = less share of the financial pie for next year.

You still score constructor points for an update engine...?

Of course they do, but they have to weigh up whether they think the potential extra performance will overcome the grid penalty they will get by taking it. If they think they will finish higher in the race by sticking with the existing engine, and starting 10 grid places higher, then that is what they will do.

[JonRB]

Emeye said:

glazbagun said:

Why would you not take an updated engine on at least one car? To prevent Renault getting data for 2016?

They need as many manufacturers points as possible - less points = less share of the financial pie for next year.

Indeed.

And this is one of the things that is so wrong about the apportion of money in F1 currently. I don't want to sound all Socialist, but the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The teams that have fkloads of budget get free air freight, for example, and the poorest teams have to pay for it. Considering a new team have to "buy in" with a hell of an ante to even get to compete, I reckon that should be some kind of membership fee that gives all members certain perks - like free air freight for all members.

[mollytherocker]

JonRB said:

Indeed.

And this is one of the things that is so wrong about the apportion of money in F1 currently. I don't want to sound all Socialist, but the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The teams that have fkloads of budget get free air freight, for example, and the poorest teams have to pay for it. Considering a new team have to "buy in" with a hell of an ante to even get to compete, I reckon that should be some kind of membership fee that gives all members certain perks - like free air freight for all members.

Its a bit like the real world eh? Welcome.

[Emeye]

JonRB said:

Indeed.

And this is one of the things that is so wrong about the apportion of money in F1 currently. I don't want to sound all Socialist, but the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The teams that have fkloads of budget get free air freight, for example, and the poorest teams have to pay for it. Considering a new team have to "buy in" with a hell of an ante to even get to compete, I reckon that should be some kind of membership fee that gives all members certain perks - like free air freight for all members.

I missed the last race and wasn't that bothered - not a good sign as the same has happened for me with WRC last year and I'm just not bothering to watch it now - Austin is a good circuit and IIRC we've had some decent races there so I'm looking forward to it though.

When it comes down to it, I'm an F1 fan, and other than a (non-gay) soft spot for Jenson Button, I don't really care who wins just as long as the races are exciting! I keep on hanging in there each weekend - hell the only reason I didn't cancel Sky recently was for the F1 channel, but I really do think something needs to change - IMO plenty of in season testing and a simplification of the engines or rules and a fair share of the prize money.