F1 sounds crap

[dr_gn]

mistakenplane said:

Dr Z said:

Exactly, the off throttle blowing of the V8s weren't exactly musical was it? Seem to remember the RBs/McLs/Mercs sounding a right bag of spanners through the corners whilst looking like being on rails.

Ugh, you just reminded me of the traction control era...now THAT was bad sound.

Yeah, it sounded crap some of the time, as opposed to all of the time like the current cars.

[JonRB]

dr_gn said:

Yeah, it sounded crap some of the time, as opposed to all of the time like the current cars.

Well, you can always make "brummm brummm" and "neeeeeooooooowwwww" noises whilst you watch some of the best racing we've had in ages.

[dr_gn]

JonRB said:

dr_gn said:

Yeah, it sounded crap some of the time, as opposed to all of the time like the current cars.

Well, you can always make "brummm brummm" and "neeeeeooooooowwwww" noises whilst you watch some of the best racing we've had in ages.

I remember one good race this year...

[Biker 1]

Megaflow said:

Ah yes, the noise of Indycars, with their 2.2 ltr turbocharged V6's, limited to 12k rpm...

At least there maybe some overtaking, action & spectacle at the Indy 500, & no washing machine noises............

[JonRB]

Biker 1 said:

At least there maybe some overtaking, action & spectacle at the Indy 500, & no washing machine noises............

Well go watch Indycar then.

[Inertiatic]

Biker 1 said:

Megaflow said:

Ah yes, the noise of Indycars, with their 2.2 ltr turbocharged V6's, limited to 12k rpm...

At least there maybe some overtaking, action & spectacle at the Indy 500, & no washing machine noises............

Its an oval.........







(i see how this thread works now)

[chonok]

mistakenplane said:

What seems clear is that people only watch racing for the noise and not the racing?!!!

Lets forget about all of the st that has been spouted on here and concentrate on those that have actually been to an F1 race as these are the people that are missing out.

Yes, the noise will not affect the racing and watching on tv you can still enjoy it, but with the current cars, please can someone give me a valid reason why they are prepared to spend the thick end of £200 on a race day ticket to get into the British GP this year?? Valid question....

I have been to 3 British GP's over the last 6 years and the noise was a big factor in justifying the cost in my head. Do people actually go to the GP to watch 'racing'?

In the three GP's that I have been to I can probably count the amount of overakes I haven seen on one hand (But the noise of the cars made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, so that didn't really matter to me!....)

[dr_gn]

chonok said:

mistakenplane said:

What seems clear is that people only watch racing for the noise and not the racing?!!!

Lets forget about all of the st that has been spouted on here and concentrate on those that have actually been to an F1 race as these are the people that are missing out.

Yes, the noise will not affect the racing and watching on tv you can still enjoy it, but with the current cars, please can someone give me a valid reason why they are prepared to spend the thick end of £200 on a race day ticket to get into the British GP this year?? Valid question....

I have been to 3 British GP's over the last 6 years and the noise was a big factor in justifying the cost in my head. Do people actually go to the GP to watch 'racing'?

In the three GP's that I have been to I can probably count the amount of overakes I haven seen on one hand (But the noise of the cars made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, so that didn't really matter to me!....)

No. I went to BGP's at Silverstone in the '70's, '80's, '90's and a couple in the '00's plus many test sessions up to last year. I certainly won't go again, becasue pretty much the only reason I went to a live event was for the incredible noise.

For the TV viewer, the noise is almost completely irrelevant, which is why I fully understand why many people on here say the noise is OK - becasue they've never heard the real thing. I used to look forward to attending a couple of events a year, but now that opportunity is gone.

Of course, money talks, and most things change/get dumbed down to the lowest common denominator eventually. It's still a massive shock to see what has become of F1 in the space of 12 months though.

[JonRB]

dr_gn said:

It's still a massive shock to see what has become of F1 in the space of 12 months though.

You mean that rather than being a total irrelevance to modern motoring, with public (non-fan) opinion saying it is a waste of money in a post credit-crunch world and something that car manufacturers were finding increasingly hard to justify being in, it's become something that has a good chance of continuing? Yes, you could be right there.

Also, people have been saying for years that the cars need more power than grip (or, more specifically, more torque than grip) and we now have that this year. And it's bloody brilliant.

dr_gn said:

No. I went to BGP's at Silverstone in the '70's, '80's, '90's and a couple in the '00's plus many test sessions up to last year. I certainly won't go again, becasue pretty much the only reason I went to a live event was for the incredible noise.

If you really have followed F1 for that long, then you must be aware of how much change there has been in that time. Did you moan about every change in regulations over those years, or just this one?

dr_gn said:

Of course, money talks, and most things change/get dumbed down to the lowest common denominator eventually.

The most dumbed-down times were the Active Suspension and Traction Control years (especially the latter). Thank god we no longer have either.


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Edited by JonRB on Tuesday 20th May 08:37

[coppice]

F1 has never had much relevance to 'modern motoring', in whatever era.Nor should it have. It only has to curtsey in that direction now because big manufacturers dominate it and are thus able to dictate what they want.This is not always a good thing . I am far from convinced most of the manufacturers have any real passion for the sport , Ferrari apart. The rest come and go as they please- their choice and some of their contributions have been terrific - hello Renault, Ford and Honda . But much as I am enjoying the amount of grunt the 2014 cars have, the noise is underwhelming(not the end of the world) and the level of gratuitous complication - ERS , DRC etc is nonsensical .

[Biker 1]

coppice said:

F1 has never had much relevance to 'modern motoring', in whatever era.Nor should it have. It only has to curtsey in that direction now because big manufacturers dominate it and are thus able to dictate what they want.This is not always a good thing . I am far from convinced most of the manufacturers have any real passion for the sport , Ferrari apart. The rest come and go as they please- their choice and some of their contributions have been terrific - hello Renault, Ford and Honda . But much as I am enjoying the amount of grunt the 2014 cars have, the noise is underwhelming(not the end of the world) and the level of gratuitous complication - ERS , DRC etc is nonsensical .

About sums it up really............

[JonRB]

The reality of the world we live in right now is that things like F1 have to (at least be seen to) have some relevance to the real world. It's just the reality of the fact that everyone is meant to be tightening their belts and not over-spending, and thinking of the planet (and the children), hugging trees, lowering our carbon footprint, and all that tosh.

Far better that F1 can respond to claims of "pointless gas-guzzling" (and other stupid headline-grabbing phrases) by being at the absolute cutting edge of hybrid technology, than to be legislated out of existence. The fact that the cutting edge of hybrid technology means that the engines produce less noise is an unfortunate side effect.

Also, manufacturer involvement is an absolute reality of modern F1. And they need to justify their enormous spend to their shareholders and their marketing departments. And that is a whole lot easier and more justifiable this year.

It's no use stamping your feet and saying "but I WANT it like it was" - change happens. Let's be pragmatic here and try to bear in mind that these new regulations were fairly inevitable and necessary for the future of our sport.

[Scuffers]

JonRB said:

You mean that rather than being a total irrelevance to modern motoring, with public (non-fan) opinion saying it is a waste of money in a post credit-crunch world and something that car manufacturers were finding increasingly hard to justify being in, it's become something that has a good chance of continuing? Yes, you could be right there.

so in the face of a credit crunch and global slow-down, the best thing to do is commit billions of $ developing new engines for F1?

really is laughable in the face of teams heading for bankruptcy etc...

[zac510]

Well they also reduced the number of engines you need per year too so that's a long term cost. They also committed to regulations for long term so that saves costs in the long run.
Always in large manufacturing the cost is distributed over years and takes time to return savings.

[chonok]

chonok said:

Lets forget about all of the st that has been spouted on here and concentrate on those that have actually been to an F1 race as these are the people that are missing out.

Yes, the noise will not affect the racing and watching on tv you can still enjoy it, but with the current cars, please can someone give me a valid reason why they are prepared to spend the thick end of £200 on a race day ticket to get into the British GP this year?? Valid question....

I have been to 3 British GP's over the last 6 years and the noise was a big factor in justifying the cost in my head. Do people actually go to the GP to watch 'racing'?

In the three GP's that I have been to I can probably count the amount of overakes I haven seen on one hand (But the noise of the cars made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, so that didn't really matter to me!....)

Any other responses to my question?

Does anyone actually attend a GP to watch 'racing' as you see much more of it on the TV?

[toppstuff]

chonok said:

Lets forget about all of the st that has been spouted on here and concentrate on those that have actually been to an F1 race as these are the people that are missing out.

Yes, the noise will not affect the racing and watching on tv you can still enjoy it, but with the current cars, please can someone give me a valid reason why they are prepared to spend the thick end of £200 on a race day ticket to get into the British GP this year?? Valid question....

I have been to 3 British GP's over the last 6 years and the noise was a big factor in justifying the cost in my head. Do people actually go to the GP to watch 'racing'?

In the three GP's that I have been to I can probably count the amount of overakes I haven seen on one hand (But the noise of the cars made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, so that didn't really matter to me!....)

I go to GP regularly around Europe. Plan to go to maybe 3 this year.

I prefer the noise of the new cars. The old V8 cars just had huge VOLUME and nothing else.

I also prefer how the new cars are much looser on the track, much less planted. This is because of the reduced aero, but also because of the huge torque from the leccy motors.

F1 in 2014 is much more interesting than F1 in 2013 and previously. IMO.

[JonRB]

Scuffers said:

so in the face of a credit crunch and global slow-down, the best thing to do is commit billions of $ developing new engines for F1?

True. But, like so much of politics these days, it's not what you do but what you are seen to be doing.

It's the same argument that applies for continuing to run an older car vs. buying a newer more efficient one. Never mind the hidden costs of disposing of the old one, and the costs of building the new one and the usage of raw materials to build the new one.

That's just now a lot of peoples' minds work and pragmatism says we have to pander to it.

toppstuff said:

I also prefer how the new cars are much looser on the track, much less planted. This is because of the reduced aero, but also because of the huge torque from the leccy motors.

F1 in 2014 is much more interesting than F1 in 2013 and previously. IMO.

I totally agree.

[unpc]

I, for one, find F1 infinitely more interesting this year. Whether they are relevant to road cars or not, they are much more of a handful to drive and better to watch.

I also think the new noise is far more interesting and technical than the previous monotone blare but it took me a couple of races to get in to it.

To answer chonok's question, whenever I went to a GP it was to watch the racing. I think it might be a bit more pleasant now to be able to hear yourself think.

[dr_gn]

JonRB said:

dr_gn said:

It's still a massive shock to see what has become of F1 in the space of 12 months though.

You mean that rather than being a total irrelevance to modern motoring, with public (non-fan) opinion saying it is a waste of money in a post credit-crunch world and something that car manufacturers were finding increasingly hard to justify being in, it's become something that has a good chance of continuing? Yes, you could be right there.

Also, people have been saying for years that the cars need more power than grip (or, more specifically, more torque than grip) and we now have that this year. And it's bloody brilliant.

dr_gn said:

No. I went to BGP's at Silverstone in the '70's, '80's, '90's and a couple in the '00's plus many test sessions up to last year. I certainly won't go again, becasue pretty much the only reason I went to a live event was for the incredible noise.

If you really have followed F1 for that long, then you must be aware of how much change there has been in that time. Did you moan about every change in regulations over those years, or just this one?

dr_gn said:

Of course, money talks, and most things change/get dumbed down to the lowest common denominator eventually.

The most dumbed-down times were the Active Suspension and Traction Control years (especially the latter). Thank god we no longer have either.


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I don't see how any of the above would change the fact that I now have no interest in attending a live F1 event. Even if in past years the racing wasn't amazing, the live spectacle certainly was. The cars now look ridiculous and sound rubbish. The improvement in the racing seems a bit stretched, since with the exception of one race, the processions are the same as they always were and the domination by one team is massively more than we've seen in the recent past.

[CharlesAL]

Went to Italy and Silverstone last year and doing it again this year. Giving it a chance at least. The noise wasn't the only thing I love about going to races.