+++ The Official Italian (Monza) Grand Prix Thread 2015 +++
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moanthebairns said:
Zoobeef said:
moanthebairns said:
leglessAlex said:
RichB said:
moanthebairns said:
...Then complained like a whining b
h that I was now needing to push for 5 laps.
It really gets under your skin doesn't it! h that I was now needing to push for 5 laps. 
Deal with it. Hardly like they asked him to drive without a seatbelt. Its what your paid for.
Meaning, they haven't asked him to do something really dangerous so he should just do it. I.e stop being scared about going fast.
ash73 said:
You can gloat as much as you like, I don't give a st. The fact is when Merc was being investigated every Lewis fan to a man was searching for excuses, even comparing it to Williams fitting mismatched tyres which must be the stupidest thing I've ever read on here. I said if they've broken the rules *both* drivers should be penalised; and you turned that into Lewis hate. Like I said, no class.
I wasnt searching for excuses. I don't effect the outcome. You are incorrect. t. The fact is when Merc was being investigated every Lewis fan to a man was searching for excuses, even comparing it to Williams fitting mismatched tyres which must be the stupidest thing I've ever read on here. I said if they've broken the rules *both* drivers should be penalised; and you turned that into Lewis hate. Like I said, no class.
swisstoni said:
All there needs to be is a bit of bad luck or a few incidents affecting Hamilton, for Rosberg to be right back at him.
Anyone with a passing interest in this sport knows that.
Hamilton is two clear wins ahead of him though; ok it isn't impossible for Rosberg to close but it will need 2 Hamilton DNF's and 2 Rosberg wins for him to do so, which is pretty unlikely.Anyone with a passing interest in this sport knows that.
From Rosberg's demeanour when being interviewed he knows he has been firmly beaten.
swisstoni said:
All there needs to be is a bit of bad luck or a few incidents affecting Hamilton, for Rosberg to be right back at him.
Anyone with a passing interest in this sport knows that.
100% correct. Hence Lewis has to stay at the very highest performance levels as does Nico.Anyone with a passing interest in this sport knows that.
If you believe in luck, you could argue that Lewis had far more than his fair share through the early and mid part of last season and still came out on top. It's all still to race for but Lewis is looking very, very strong.
StevieBee said:
Enzo Ferrari said that becoming a father would cost a driver at least a second a lap.
I think different drivers react in different ways. Vettel has just had a second child and doesn't seem to have lost any of his speed.
I do wonder if Rosberg has simply conceded that he will ever be a very good number two driver in the same vein as Patrese, Massa at Ferrari and countless others.
Enzo would have said that in a time when trying to shave half a second off a lap time could be deadly.I think different drivers react in different ways. Vettel has just had a second child and doesn't seem to have lost any of his speed.
I do wonder if Rosberg has simply conceded that he will ever be a very good number two driver in the same vein as Patrese, Massa at Ferrari and countless others.
Zoobeef said:
moanthebairns said:
Zoobeef said:
moanthebairns said:
leglessAlex said:
RichB said:
moanthebairns said:
...Then complained like a whining bh that I was now needing to push for 5 laps.
It really gets under your skin doesn't it! h that I was now needing to push for 5 laps. Deal with it. Hardly like they asked him to drive without a seatbelt. Its what your paid for.
Meaning, they haven't asked him to do something really dangerous so he should just do it. I.e stop being scared about going fast.
king job. Moominator said:
Lewis was perplexed why he was asked to peg it with just a few laps to go with NO explanation. I was confused too. He knew he was miles ahead so why risk it? Afterall at that point he had 'earned/done his job 22times (secs) ahead of a 4time world champion.
His words? 'That wasnt cool'.
Indeed. But also sometimes you need to trust your team principal and know that they have access to more information than you. Risk was Ferrari picking up on the exact number and the "why"?His words? 'That wasnt cool'.
moanthebairns said:
No, they asked him to do his fking job.
They asked him to do mutually contradictory things - push the lap times to the limit and not take risks. Risks being loss of control as you're on the edge, risks with brake temps/wear, risks of burning tyres out and risks on the kerbing. I suspect they really meant not to take risks with traffic.king job. If Hamilton felt he could not push the times further without significant risk then he was right to question that directive. At no point did he refuse to do his 'f
king' job, he simply informed them he couldn't do what they were asking without increased risk. As we saw he did push the lap times and quickly built the gap up.I don't understand your hatred of Hamilton or why you think he wasn't prepared to do his job or was shirking responsibility. Recent events in F1 and other top levels of Motorsport highlight that it's f
king dangerous and the drivers all risk their lives to try to entertain you.moanthebairns said:
What gets under my skin is a driver getting paid millions, who's meant to be the best in the world, in a car that's 5 or 6 seconds slower than a decade ago, moaning about driving quick for half a dozen laps, with a huge lead in the championship, a 20 second cushion, in a car that's by far the quickest out there and had the easiest race.
Deal with it. Hardly like they asked him to drive without a seatbelt. Its what your paid for.
Because he had a big lead, they usually ask him to slow down and be gentle on the engine. Suddenly out of character they tell him to speed up with a brand new spec engine that has already failed on Friday in Rosberg's car and they won't tell him why over the radio. It would make any driver question the team because it's complete madness.Deal with it. Hardly like they asked him to drive without a seatbelt. Its what your paid for.
So in a nutshell, a stall at the grid, a few needless DRS overtakes, a blown engine, and 5 quick laps from the leader with a 25 second cushion worrying about 0.3 psi, Carlsberg don't do exciting races, but if they did....
I'd hate to see Italy loose a race, but fk me Monza is st, cant we have Mugello or something.
I'd hate to see Italy loose a race, but f
k me Monza is st, cant we have Mugello or something. IainT said:
moanthebairns said:
No, they asked him to do his fking job.
They asked him to do mutually contradictory things - push the lap times to the limit and not take risks. Risks being loss of control as you're on the edge, risks with brake temps/wear, risks of burning tyres out and risks on the kerbing. I suspect they really meant not to take risks with traffic.king job. If Hamilton felt he could not push the times further without significant risk then he was right to question that directive. At no point did he refuse to do his 'f
king' job, he simply informed them he couldn't do what they were asking without increased risk. As we saw he did push the lap times and quickly built the gap up.I don't understand your hatred of Hamilton or why you think he wasn't prepared to do his job or was shirking responsibility. Recent events in F1 and other top levels of Motorsport highlight that it's f
king dangerous and the drivers all risk their lives to try to entertain you.Hatred of Hamilton, seriously there is some utter w
kerish fanboys on here of him, when the fk did I say I hated him in this topic. Just the one bit from me; Button.
Fair play to him for fighting where he could. I dont know if it's the way the broadcast was choosy over which car they picked up, but over the season so far I've seen more fighting from Button than Alonso, but I guess Button's done more miles in the car and broken down less often.
It cant be easy being a former world champion and getting blown into the weeds, but he has been fair when being lapped (unlike D.Hill with Schumacher behind him) and has at least tried to fight for position when being overtaken into corners.
I dont see him in F1 next year, the way it's being reported sounds as though he's hanging around with a begging bowl held out and personally think he's better than that and should just tell McLaren to stick it up their arse. IF it turns out that next years McLaren is a title winner, que sera. They've come over as treating him badly, and I'm not a fan of the sterile perfectionist McLaren ethos they're walking around with at the moment considering the lack of results they've got.
Fair play to him for fighting where he could. I dont know if it's the way the broadcast was choosy over which car they picked up, but over the season so far I've seen more fighting from Button than Alonso, but I guess Button's done more miles in the car and broken down less often.
It cant be easy being a former world champion and getting blown into the weeds, but he has been fair when being lapped (unlike D.Hill with Schumacher behind him) and has at least tried to fight for position when being overtaken into corners.
I dont see him in F1 next year, the way it's being reported sounds as though he's hanging around with a begging bowl held out and personally think he's better than that and should just tell McLaren to stick it up their arse. IF it turns out that next years McLaren is a title winner, que sera. They've come over as treating him badly, and I'm not a fan of the sterile perfectionist McLaren ethos they're walking around with at the moment considering the lack of results they've got.
moanthebairns said:
Its really not, we all know that in recent races lift and coast has been coming in, to me this would imply, a few qualifying laps.
Hatred of Hamilton, seriously there is some utter wkerish fanboys on here of him, when the fk did I say I hated him in this topic.
How come you're so worked up about this? Chill out dude.Hatred of Hamilton, seriously there is some utter w
kerish fanboys on here of him, when the fk did I say I hated him in this topic. Qualifiying laps while coming up on backmarkers strikes me as a bit of a risk no?
Why are you so resistant to the idea that what Hamilton heard from the team really unsettled him and he wasn't very happy about that? Seriously, I don't even really like Hamilton but I can appreciate why he was a bit upset. It's not as if he refused to do it either, he did exactly what he was told to do. Why have you got a problem with it?
As others have mentioned, we've had some really recent proof that drivers really are at risk of dying if things go wrong.
As for your other points about Monza, what do you want them to do about it? What ideas have you got? Are you going to start a petition or try and get support for your better ideas? What can make the racing better that will be accepted by the teams, the drivers, Eccleston(spelling?) and the FIA?
I don't think it was a great race, but I didn't think it was terrible. It was boring at the front as usual but then there were some nice things going on further down the grid and lucky for us the TV directors seem to be realising that more and more now, we see more action from mid pack.
I'd love if F1 was more exciting, but I don't know what can be done and even if I did, I wouldn't have the enegry to try and get someone to listen to me. Accordingly, I just try and take it as it is and enjoy it as best I can. You should try it sometime, you'll get a lot less worked up about things!
DJRC said:
How did the goat fare? 
Won't stop bleating on about it, a bit like large chunks of this thread whenever we get into a partisan/tribal debate about Hamilton. 
On the race - I was struggling to think who my driver of the day was.
Massa for a controlled drive under pressure.. or Erricson for outdriving that Sauber.
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