The Official 2016 German Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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It's actually like Rosberg believes his own BS
Does he not remember what happened after Spa 2014?
It's actually like Rosberg believes his own BS
Does he not remember what happened after Spa 2014?
cgt2 said:
Yes in 1999 when MS broke his leg. In the last race Schumacher was trying to drive as slowly as possible (he said) and still running rings around Irvine..
As I recall Schumacher was doing everything in his power to stop Irvine from getting that WDC has he didn't want Irvine to go down in history as the guy who brought Ferrari back to a WDC after the wilderness years - he wanted that accolade for himself which he got the following year as I recall. ClockworkCupcake said:
cgt2 said:
Yes in 1999 when MS broke his leg. In the last race Schumacher was trying to drive as slowly as possible (he said) and still running rings around Irvine..
As I recall Schumacher was doing everything in his power to stop Irvine from getting that WDC has he didn't want Irvine to go down in history as the guy who brought Ferrari back to a WDC after the wilderness years - he wanted that accolade for himself which he got the following year as I recall. Ironically ferraris practice of massively favouriting schumacher as the no 1 driver from race 1 probably cost them that years title
ClockworkCupcake said:
As I recall Schumacher was doing everything in his power to stop Irvine from getting that WDC has he didn't want Irvine to go down in history as the guy who brought Ferrari back to a WDC after the wilderness years - he wanted that accolade for himself which he got the following year as I recall.
Correct. Memory is sketchy but I do remember Schumi pretending he was still healing from his broken leg when his daughter let the cat out of the bag by telling Luca on the telephone that he was playing football in the garden..Irvine was shown up by Salo on one or two occasions that season and was simply not as good as Hakkinen that season, Mika was a deserving champion.
The commentators at the weekend mentioned that Rosberg was now 9th on the all time polesitters list. I looked it up and he's the only one in the top 15 not to be a WDC. In joint 15th is Rene Arnoux who is the next highest qualifier not to be a WDC followed by Sir Stirling in about 20th.
hairyben said:
He certainally publically supported the team aim and his role as a driver who could only support after his return. If what you say went on it must have been behind the scenes?
Ironically ferraris practice of massively favouriting schumacher as the no 1 driver from race 1 probably cost them that years title
When this happened, I had the feeling that something dodgy was going on:Ironically ferraris practice of massively favouriting schumacher as the no 1 driver from race 1 probably cost them that years title
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xwnemi_gp-europa-...
Europa1 said:
Good post.
Can you remind me of Hamilton's stance during "Stepneygate"? (when will journalists, particularly F1 journalists, come up with another suffix for scandals?).
I agree, the lack of succession planning for FOM is a worry, and what also worried me was the huge number of empty seats in Germany - entire blocks of grandstand covered in Rolex banners - this at the "home" grand prix of the current world champion constructor, a current world drivers' championship contender and a 4-time word champion driver. Oh, and a supposedly up-and-coming driver in one of the Manors. Bear in mind also that German F1 fans had had a year without a Grand Prix to go and watch. When ticket sales are about the only revenue stream which FOM will let the circuits keep (whilst still expecting traditional venues which are not being funded by governments) to provide fabulous, up-to-the-minute facilities.
All three drivers were offered immunity from prosecution for any offences committed in the Stepneygate fiasco. Only one told Mosely where to stick the offer. He said that he had nothing to hide in effect. Alonso and pdl Rosa, overcome with loyalty, told Mosely what they had done wrong and McLaren got the blame for it. I'm not suggesting LH lied, but he stuck with the team as such. The irony is that the only offenders identified without doubt were Alonso and, more so, pdl Rosa. Everything else was speculation. Can you remind me of Hamilton's stance during "Stepneygate"? (when will journalists, particularly F1 journalists, come up with another suffix for scandals?).
I agree, the lack of succession planning for FOM is a worry, and what also worried me was the huge number of empty seats in Germany - entire blocks of grandstand covered in Rolex banners - this at the "home" grand prix of the current world champion constructor, a current world drivers' championship contender and a 4-time word champion driver. Oh, and a supposedly up-and-coming driver in one of the Manors. Bear in mind also that German F1 fans had had a year without a Grand Prix to go and watch. When ticket sales are about the only revenue stream which FOM will let the circuits keep (whilst still expecting traditional venues which are not being funded by governments) to provide fabulous, up-to-the-minute facilities.
The problem with the suffix in this case is the other one used, Spygate. It wasn't spying. Nothing like it, but it was the one that the FIA pushed. Two senior members of Ferrari and McLaren, for their own purposes, took information from Ferrari - the dossier - and probably McLaren as well, although there was no enquiry into that possibility. So there was no spying as such.
I could not agree more with your conclusions in your last para. It is something like Hamilton at the moment, with his penalties to come. At the moment things are fine. There are storms to come. The sale of the rights has been put off more times than housebuilding has in this country. As you say, the empty stands are of concern. They would be at any GP (apart from China of course) but given the number of German drivers, and Merc, it is, to say the least, not something that any buyer of the rights would like to see.
So let's enjoy was has been a classic series of seasons, and this one might well go the same way. 2017 might even bring more fun.
What happens to FOM is the critical thing though.
WEC is thrilling to watch. It has a degree of support that has not been there for some time. A resurgent closed wheel formula and a struggling open-wheeler might mean that no one of ability wants FOM.
Derek Smith said:
All three drivers were offered immunity from prosecution for any offences committed in the Stepneygate fiasco. Only one told Mosely where to stick the offer. He said that he had nothing to hide in effect. Alonso and pdl Rosa, overcome with loyalty, told Mosely what they had done wrong and McLaren got the blame for it. I'm not suggesting LH lied, but he stuck with the team as such. The irony is that the only offenders identified without doubt were Alonso and, more so, pdl Rosa. Everything else was speculation.
The problem with the suffix in this case is the other one used, Spygate. It wasn't spying. Nothing like it, but it was the one that the FIA pushed. Two senior members of Ferrari and McLaren, for their own purposes, took information from Ferrari - the dossier - and probably McLaren as well, although there was no enquiry into that possibility. So there was no spying as such.
You just reminded me of the dark old days of the Mosley Kangaroo Court where he basically decided exactly what would happen. Judge jury and executioner. The problem with the suffix in this case is the other one used, Spygate. It wasn't spying. Nothing like it, but it was the one that the FIA pushed. Two senior members of Ferrari and McLaren, for their own purposes, took information from Ferrari - the dossier - and probably McLaren as well, although there was no enquiry into that possibility. So there was no spying as such.
It's ironic that he ended up becoming precisely what he accused Balestre of being when he was vying for the job. One thing we can say about Jean Todt is that he doesn't do that. Let's leave aside the question of whether he actually does anything...
ClockworkCupcake said:
cgt2 said:
One thing we can say about Jean Todt is that he doesn't do that. Let's leave aside the question of whether he actually does anything...
True. When was the last time we even saw him at a race, let alone had a word on camera from him?It still peeves me that when they did a group photo to mark something significant (maybe the start of the 50th season of F1?), there were all the drivers (understandable), Jean Todt (understandable), Bernie Ecclestone (understandable), and Michelle Yeoh (just: why?).
VladD said:
Derek Smith said:
WEC is thrilling to watch. It has a degree of support that has not been there for some time. A resurgent closed wheel formula and a struggling open-wheeler might mean that no one of ability wants FOM.
Just a shame you have to get Sky to access it.Quickmoose said:
VladD said:
Derek Smith said:
WEC is thrilling to watch. It has a degree of support that has not been there for some time. A resurgent closed wheel formula and a struggling open-wheeler might mean that no one of ability wants FOM.
Just a shame you have to get Sky to access it.cgt2 said:
suffolk009 said:
Didn't Eddie Irvine miss a WDC by just one point?
Yes in 1999 when MS broke his leg. In the last race Schumacher was trying to drive as slowly as possible (he said) and still running rings around Irvine..What a sod.
cgt2 said:
If anyone has any doubts about the incident, watch this and take note of the slow speed and how Rosberg rolls the car gently into the corner in a very deliberate manner. Davidson is usually spot on in his analysis but I think he got it wrong here. No late braking or drama at all.
https://streamable.com/b1t2
Is the speed of this footage manipulated ?https://streamable.com/b1t2
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