F1 engine note - Why all the haters?
Discussion
Justaredbadge said:
What we need is a series where the only regulations are two seats and opening doors...
Why bother? People would still find something to complain about; the tracks are wrong, there are pay drivers, don't like qualifying format, races are too long, races are too short, blah blah repeat ad nauseam.CraigyMc said:
Eric Mc said:
Read this month's Nigel Roebuck column in Motor Sport. He mentions the gradual slowing down of F1 cars and echoes my comment that it is nothing new. He points out that most of the F1 track lap records are now getting on for a decade old.
I think it's a bit more insidious than that.We're coming to a point where a Le Mans LMP1 prototype and an F1 car aren't much different - just open versus closed cockpit and different tyres.
GroundEffect said:
CraigyMc said:
Eric Mc said:
Read this month's Nigel Roebuck column in Motor Sport. He mentions the gradual slowing down of F1 cars and echoes my comment that it is nothing new. He points out that most of the F1 track lap records are now getting on for a decade old.
I think it's a bit more insidious than that.We're coming to a point where a Le Mans LMP1 prototype and an F1 car aren't much different - just open versus closed cockpit and different tyres.
What I am getting at is that the actual specs of the powertrains are converging because of the reliability requirements for engine, gearbox and so on in 2014 F1.
Even the basic layout of the engine (1.6 turbo V6) is similar these days (in the 1990s, F1 had gone to the 3.5 litre NA formula, the sportscars were turbocharged).
The rules are being drawn up to make it possible to use an engine package which is fundamentally F1-spec in a prototype.
lord trumpton said:
I love the sound!
OK to many it will sound like a monotonous grunting sound but if you listen closely there is some amazing turbo spool, wastegate chatter and antilag
What's wrong with that lot?
Surprised no one picked up on this: the 2014 turbo F1 engines don't have wastegates or antilag. The MGU-H regulates the turbo speed, negating the need for a wastegate or anti-lag.OK to many it will sound like a monotonous grunting sound but if you listen closely there is some amazing turbo spool, wastegate chatter and antilag
What's wrong with that lot?
As for sound, it lacks dynamic range. I'll reserve judgment on the volume until I go to a race. On TV, it's nice to hear the tyres too.
vladx2 said:
lord trumpton said:
I love the sound!
OK to many it will sound like a monotonous grunting sound but if you listen closely there is some amazing turbo spool, wastegate chatter and antilag
What's wrong with that lot?
Surprised no one picked up on this: the 2014 turbo F1 engines don't have wastegates or antilag. The MGU-H regulates the turbo speed, negating the need for a wastegate or anti-lag.OK to many it will sound like a monotonous grunting sound but if you listen closely there is some amazing turbo spool, wastegate chatter and antilag
What's wrong with that lot?
As for sound, it lacks dynamic range. I'll reserve judgment on the volume until I go to a race. On TV, it's nice to hear the tyres too.
lbc said:
Who cares, as they will never be faster than any F1 car. 
Clearly lots of people care, or it wouldn't be being discussed.The previous technical direction of F1 led to an unearthly sound. The current tech doesn't. We've lost some of the spectacle when you can hear better sounding cars being hooned around London by Arab kids.
chonok said:
Unless the regulations don't change at all, then the cars don't get faster and no costs are incurred.....
This assumes there would be no development at all at which point the series may as well become GP1 or AP1 GP mk2. F1 is a constructors and drivers championship you can't have the later without development. Do you honestly see major car manufacturers investing in a specification series or for that matter the major teams hanging around?
CraigyMc said:
In terms of speed, perhaps.
What I am getting at is that the actual specs of the powertrains are converging because of the reliability requirements for engine, gearbox and so on in 2014 F1.
Even the basic layout of the engine (1.6 turbo V6) is similar these days (in the 1990s, F1 had gone to the 3.5 litre NA formula, the sportscars were turbocharged).
The rules are being drawn up to make it possible to use an engine package which is fundamentally F1-spec in a prototype.
Last time the FIA tried to streamline the rules so Sportscars ran an F1 engine, it nearly killed Sportscar racing.What I am getting at is that the actual specs of the powertrains are converging because of the reliability requirements for engine, gearbox and so on in 2014 F1.
Even the basic layout of the engine (1.6 turbo V6) is similar these days (in the 1990s, F1 had gone to the 3.5 litre NA formula, the sportscars were turbocharged).
The rules are being drawn up to make it possible to use an engine package which is fundamentally F1-spec in a prototype.
wasserboxer said:
CraigyMc said:
In terms of speed, perhaps.
What I am getting at is that the actual specs of the powertrains are converging because of the reliability requirements for engine, gearbox and so on in 2014 F1.
Even the basic layout of the engine (1.6 turbo V6) is similar these days (in the 1990s, F1 had gone to the 3.5 litre NA formula, the sportscars were turbocharged).
The rules are being drawn up to make it possible to use an engine package which is fundamentally F1-spec in a prototype.
Last time the FIA tried to streamline the rules so Sportscars ran an F1 engine, it nearly killed Sportscar racing.What I am getting at is that the actual specs of the powertrains are converging because of the reliability requirements for engine, gearbox and so on in 2014 F1.
Even the basic layout of the engine (1.6 turbo V6) is similar these days (in the 1990s, F1 had gone to the 3.5 litre NA formula, the sportscars were turbocharged).
The rules are being drawn up to make it possible to use an engine package which is fundamentally F1-spec in a prototype.
otolith said:
lbc said:
Who cares, as they will never be faster than any F1 car.
Clearly lots of people care, or it wouldn't be being discussed.The previous technical direction of F1 led to an unearthly sound. The current tech doesn't. We've lost some of the spectacle when you can hear better sounding cars being hooned around London by Arab kids.
Some people won't care, but lots of people do. Its like hearing a lambo with a 4 pot.
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