The Official 2016 Mexico Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
S0 What said:
VladD said:
moanthebairns said:
All and all, 60 laps of s
t, followed by a few decent ones.
I'm amazed how many people think like this. I enjoyed the whole race. The expectation that there should be wheel to wheel racing every lap is weird. I don't think F1 has ever had that, so I don't know why it would be expected now.t, followed by a few decent ones. ks about how great it used to is total BS ! i can count the number of races over the last 25 years that had me on the edge of my seat for the whole race on one hand, people seem to recall evey frikken race was canada 2011, BS! it's allways been like this it's just people have selective memorys and quite obv like to piss and moan on the net just cos they can.Maybe just maybe if they kept thier mouths shut and their minds open they would have seen what was coming (i predicted riciardo in for softs on lap 50 back in the early (lap) 30's) then spent 20 odd laps waiting for it to happen, so guess what? i enjoyed the anticipation of those 20 laps instead of complaining about them, one poster on here was complaining how boring it was by lap 6, 2 fooking laps into the quiet period, jesus fooking christ if your attention span is that fooking short no wonder you find it boring but it's boring because of YOU bacause there has ALLWAYS been quiet periods in races, 99.9999% of races end of.
Don't beleive me ? go watch them then, there's plenty on Utube to keep you busy or rather bored and TBH only the better rcaes are there to watch the rest, your fooking heads would explode at how boring they were.
Now i'm gonna get the "everyone is entitled to an opinion" cr@p, well as Martin Brundle often alludes to, opinions are like a
holes everyone has them and most stink of st.Just for interest, I've looked at the results for the whole season between Lewis and Nico. If you cancel out the results between them where there is a match (i.e. Lewis has had a seventh and so has Nico - so ignore those), you end up with Lewis having two thirds and a DNF and Nico having a win and two fourths. If we assume that Lewis would have won if his engine hadn't destroyed itself, it shows just how close they've been results wise over the season.
VladD said:
Just for interest, I've looked at the results for the whole season between Lewis and Nico. If you cancel out the results between them where there is a match (i.e. Lewis has had a seventh and so has Nico - so ignore those), you end up with Lewis having two thirds and a DNF and Nico having a win and two fourths. If we assume that Lewis would have won if his engine hadn't destroyed itself, it shows just how close they've been results wise over the season.
That rather ignores the fact that Hamilton has also had two power unit failures in qualifying which, between them, probably cost him about 25 points (and gained Rosberg a few in the process). Plus of course his grid penalty for exceeding his engine allowance. Obviously it's all conjecture but by my reckoning, with equal reliability, the gap would be roughly reversed. I'd rather see Rosberg win the championship because I think it'll make next season more interesting... but I don't think he deserves to.
Edited by kambites on Monday 31st October 15:43
hairyben said:
I dunno, a few are ignoring all the juice and trying valiantly to paint a villian of hamilton for going off at T1, as opposed to what I don't know, rejoining mid-pack at a slow speed and possibly causing a big crash?
He's not a villain, he's the messiah! or a very naughty boy. Or Senna. or mentally broken. etc
antspants said:
I'm not going to debate who out of LH, NR and MV should have had a penalty as it's been done to death already, but I'm curious as to why the runoff area at turn 1 in Mexico doesn't have some kind of a kerb chicane (obviously replacing the grass) that we see at other tracks ie. kerbs large enough to potentially damage cars if you run over them, forcing the driver to slow down and probably lose a place(s) in the process.
I was amazed when Hamilton just drove straight across what appeared to be bowling green smooth grass and kerb to rejoin the track! Wasn't anybody else expecting him to be bouncing around and slowing significantly to ensure no damage to the car?
And whilst there'a a pleasant karma to Vettel's penalty, I worry that the FIA are being overly officious in their rule and decision making re overtaking. I didn't see a great deal wrong with his move on Ricciardo, isn't this just squeezing him in a robust fashion whilst leaving track room?
IMO there's quite a difference between this move and the one Verstappen pulled on Raikkonen in Spa, which is what I assumed the FIA were trying to regulate against.
The point is that under the new rule you can't 'squeeze' anyone in the braking zone if you've already committed to a different line. I was amazed when Hamilton just drove straight across what appeared to be bowling green smooth grass and kerb to rejoin the track! Wasn't anybody else expecting him to be bouncing around and slowing significantly to ensure no damage to the car?
And whilst there'a a pleasant karma to Vettel's penalty, I worry that the FIA are being overly officious in their rule and decision making re overtaking. I didn't see a great deal wrong with his move on Ricciardo, isn't this just squeezing him in a robust fashion whilst leaving track room?
IMO there's quite a difference between this move and the one Verstappen pulled on Raikkonen in Spa, which is what I assumed the FIA were trying to regulate against.
Edited by antspants on Monday 31st October 14:37
If Seb had committed to the inside line and Ric still went down there then as long as they hold their lines then it's all good.
What you can't do is to commit to the outside then see someone come down the inside and then try and close the gap under braking.
S0 What said:
I wasn't going to pop back on till the next race but i did and i totaly agree with you, all this bks about how great it used to is total BS ! i can count the number of races over the last 25 years that had me on the edge of my seat for the whole race on one hand, people seem to recall evey frikken race was canada 2011, BS! it's allways been like this it's just people have selective memorys and quite obv like to piss and moan on the net just cos they can.
Maybe just maybe if they kept thier mouths shut and their minds open they would have seen what was coming (i predicted riciardo in for softs on lap 50 back in the early (lap) 30's) then spent 20 odd laps waiting for it to happen, so guess what? i enjoyed the anticipation of those 20 laps instead of complaining about them, one poster on here was complaining how boring it was by lap 6, 2 fooking laps into the quiet period, jesus fooking christ if your attention span is that fooking short no wonder you find it boring but it's boring because of YOU bacause there has ALLWAYS been quiet periods in races, 99.9999% of races end of.
Don't beleive me ? go watch them then, there's plenty on Utube to keep you busy or rather bored and TBH only the better rcaes are there to watch, the rest, well your fooking heads would explode at how boring they were.
Now i'm gonna get the "everyone is entitled to an opinion" cr@p, well as Martin Brundle often alludes to, opinions are like aholes everyone has them and most stink of st.
It's more that the ability to overtake just isn't there on this track. So you anticipate, e.g. Ricciardo with newer/[i], [i]faster tyres ... and he still can't get past. Hence no real way to get excited, even as Verstappen closed on Rosberg there's the underlying sense that he's not going to get past. ks about how great it used to is total BS ! i can count the number of races over the last 25 years that had me on the edge of my seat for the whole race on one hand, people seem to recall evey frikken race was canada 2011, BS! it's allways been like this it's just people have selective memorys and quite obv like to piss and moan on the net just cos they can.Maybe just maybe if they kept thier mouths shut and their minds open they would have seen what was coming (i predicted riciardo in for softs on lap 50 back in the early (lap) 30's) then spent 20 odd laps waiting for it to happen, so guess what? i enjoyed the anticipation of those 20 laps instead of complaining about them, one poster on here was complaining how boring it was by lap 6, 2 fooking laps into the quiet period, jesus fooking christ if your attention span is that fooking short no wonder you find it boring but it's boring because of YOU bacause there has ALLWAYS been quiet periods in races, 99.9999% of races end of.
Don't beleive me ? go watch them then, there's plenty on Utube to keep you busy or rather bored and TBH only the better rcaes are there to watch, the rest, well your fooking heads would explode at how boring they were.
Now i'm gonna get the "everyone is entitled to an opinion" cr@p, well as Martin Brundle often alludes to, opinions are like a
holes everyone has them and most stink of st.When the commentators are making comments about trying to stay awake, there's a problem.
kambites said:
VladD said:
Just for interest, I've looked at the results for the whole season between Lewis and Nico. If you cancel out the results between them where there is a match (i.e. Lewis has had a seventh and so has Nico - so ignore those), you end up with Lewis having two thirds and a DNF and Nico having a win and two fourths. If we assume that Lewis would have won if his engine hadn't destroyed itself, it shows just how close they've been results wise over the season.
That rather ignores the fact that Hamilton has also had two power unit failures in qualifying which, between them, probably cost him about 25 points (and gained Rosberg a few in the process). Plus of course his grid penalty for exceeding his engine allowance. Obviously it's all conjecture but by my reckoning, with equal reliability, the gap would be roughly reversed. I'd rather see Rosberg win the championship because I think it'll make next season more interesting... but I don't think he deserves to.
A more realistic scenario for Brazil: Lewis finishes 2nd and Nico finishes 7th in a rain affected race.
Abu Dhabi is a full on Merc territory so I can see a 1-2 with Lewis winning there...Lewis will take it on countback as they both will have equal numbers of race wins and 2nd place finishes. Lewis has more 3rd places than Nico.
Dr Z said:
That's what I said. Ages ago.
Hamilton would have won penalty or not, don't know why people keep getting hung up on it.
He would have got a 5 second penalty like max, he was over 5 seconds ahead at the pit stops and likewise at the end of the race and in his own words had pace in the bag the result wouldn't have been any different.
He would have got a 5 second penalty like max, he was over 5 seconds ahead at the pit stops and likewise at the end of the race and in his own words had pace in the bag the result wouldn't have been any different.
S0 What said:
VladD said:
moanthebairns said:
All and all, 60 laps of st, followed by a few decent ones.
I'm amazed how many people think like this. I enjoyed the whole race. The expectation that there should be wheel to wheel racing every lap is weird. I don't think F1 has ever had that, so I don't know why it would be expected now.t, followed by a few decent ones. ks about how great it used to is total BS ! i can count the number of races over the last 25 years that had me on the edge of my seat for the whole race on one hand, people seem to recall evey frikken race was canada 2011, BS! it's allways been like this it's just people have selective memorys and quite obv like to piss and moan on the net just cos they can.Maybe just maybe if they kept thier mouths shut and their minds open they would have seen what was coming (i predicted riciardo in for softs on lap 50 back in the early (lap) 30's) then spent 20 odd laps waiting for it to happen, so guess what? i enjoyed the anticipation of those 20 laps instead of complaining about them, one poster on here was complaining how boring it was by lap 6, 2 fooking laps into the quiet period, jesus fooking christ if your attention span is that fooking short no wonder you find it boring but it's boring because of YOU bacause there has ALLWAYS been quiet periods in races, 99.9999% of races end of.
Don't beleive me ? go watch them then, there's plenty on Utube to keep you busy or rather bored and TBH only the better rcaes are there to watch, the rest, well your fooking heads would explode at how boring they were.
Now i'm gonna get the "everyone is entitled to an opinion" cr@p, well as Martin Brundle often alludes to, opinions are like a
holes everyone has them and most stink of st.I would've preferred neither driver to get a penalty and for positions to have been awarded as per the running order on track. Max didn't gain an appreciable advantage as far as I can see and I didn't find Vettel's move especially objectionable. Out of Vettel and the Red Bull drivers, I feel Riccardo was the least deserving of the podium- he did finish fifth after all.
All in all a bit unsatisfactory.
All in all a bit unsatisfactory.
andy355 said:
I'm no expert but max seemed to be very slow in leaving the corner ahead of vetttel
Anyone agree? Looked like he was almost stationary briefly
Yes, I think he took it very slowly, again why I think Vettel had to move and brake himself a little, in the on board at least it looked like he might hit the rear of vettel otherwise.Anyone agree? Looked like he was almost stationary briefly
glazbagun said:
Is Vettel the most emotional driver on the grid? I do remember him crying when he won a championship, he seems cheery, sweary and irreverent when things are going well and gets pretty furious in that helmet when things are going against him.
I think there is some selective quoting going on... it's very news worthy... less so from a Manor driver.A bit like when Lewis made comments about "Is it because I'm black?" A joke on his part and instantly magnified by the press.
vonuber said:
This is getting ridiculous now.
Yep. Disappearing up its own fundament so fast its in danger of becoming a singularity. f
k sake, for me I wouldn't have bothered giving any of them a penalty. Or perhaps penalties all-round, pit girls included, I dunno. Just get the fk on with it and stop whinging. For a laugh, the next 3 on the podium should all just stand in random places. Maybe put the guy collecting the constructors trophy in the second spot or something. Maybe Nico comes second, wears the winners hat and then stands next to the dignitary handing the medals out. It'll make just as much sense.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 31st October 22:45
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