Lewis Hamilton
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CoolHands said:
Clickbait but I genuinely believe this could screw up the roll he was on. That’s pretty major
Not a chance. Once normality returns ALL the drivers will be hungry and for Lewis it will be a return to business as usual.edit for speeling and punktuashon errors.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 24th March 13:03
TheDeuce said:
glazbagun said:
The sport was in Bahrain the year after the state was killing protestors in the street and in Russia the same year they invaded Ukraine. F1 has always been pretty amoral.
I think F1 is just focussed on racing. Which is fair enough.Obviously like all outfits it 'could' it's influence in endless helpful ways, but imo it's nice when that happens, not a criticism if it doesn't though.
It’s always been the money.
As for Hamilton, does he really think the personalities involved have any influence? Most of the world have no idea who they are.
I don't see anything wrong with influential sports people speaking out. However I also don't have a problem with them choosing not to.
I can understand how Hamilton may feel in some way isolated as the only black driver in a sport with very few BAME people involved at all, however I don't think his criticism of the other drivers is fair.
Have a feeling this year we're going to see unsettled and emotional Hamilton.
I can understand how Hamilton may feel in some way isolated as the only black driver in a sport with very few BAME people involved at all, however I don't think his criticism of the other drivers is fair.
Have a feeling this year we're going to see unsettled and emotional Hamilton.
vdn said:
I wouldn’t either. But what his post did do; is open the gate; albeit in a slapdash fashion, to other drivers feeling they could.
Leclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
Some of the drivers are quite young, too. Not to say their opinion is less important, however you have other priorities in your early 20s to those heading towards middle age. They certainly shouldn't feel pressured to wade in to arguments they have little exposure to because they're told they should.Leclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
sparta6 said:
Clark made it seem so effortless, while others around him were dying, literally.
Extraordinary talent.
Until he died, literally. Extraordinary talent.
Lots of deaths were down to poor safety at the circuits and cars that fell apart. Luck of the draw played it's part too. There aren't many of that era who didn't have severe crashes.
Jim died when his car hit a tree, most likely a tyre failed, but we will never know the cause.
sparta6 said:
You jest - but you are actually correct !
5 years into Schumacher's dominance (quite well deserved after 5 years of dogged development) the FIA intervened by changing tyre regs to suit Michelin
7 years into Mercedes dominance and the FIA are still relaxing on their German beach towel
They did the oposite, changing the rules to ban the current Michelin tyre profile and favouring the Bridgestone used by Ferrari.5 years into Schumacher's dominance (quite well deserved after 5 years of dogged development) the FIA intervened by changing tyre regs to suit Michelin
7 years into Mercedes dominance and the FIA are still relaxing on their German beach towel
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/michelin-reacts...
Tyre deals with the F1 teams goes back to the invention of the formula, it was always part of the equation until the tyre war was ended by a single supplier contract.
Ferrari's problems are simply down to the fact they are Italian. They only dominate when a non Italian is in charge or is a major force in the team. The Italian press doesn't help, you think UK tabloids are bad, they are amateurs compared to the press Ferrari has to deal with.
Ferrari's problems are simply down to the fact they are Italian. They only dominate when a non Italian is in charge or is a major force in the team. The Italian press doesn't help, you think UK tabloids are bad, they are amateurs compared to the press Ferrari has to deal with.
jsf said:
Tyre deals with the F1 teams goes back to the invention of the formula, it was always part of the equation until the tyre war was ended by a single supplier contract.
Ferrari's problems are simply down to the fact they are Italian. They only dominate when a non Italian is in charge or is a major force in the team. The Italian press doesn't help, you think UK tabloids are bad, they are amateurs compared to the press Ferrari has to deal with.
Not sure you can seriously believe Ferrari is incapable of breeding homegrown people to run a successful F1 team, because simply being Italian makes it impossible.Ferrari's problems are simply down to the fact they are Italian. They only dominate when a non Italian is in charge or is a major force in the team. The Italian press doesn't help, you think UK tabloids are bad, they are amateurs compared to the press Ferrari has to deal with.
I think the history of Ferrari and it's parents has bred and maintained a particular culture that has little appetite for failure or insubordination, a bit like a football team that changes manager every 5 minutes. Not a nationality thing, but a culture one. There are plenty of Italian individuals who've been there and proven they are world class.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
jsf said:
Tyre deals with the F1 teams goes back to the invention of the formula, it was always part of the equation until the tyre war was ended by a single supplier contract.
Ferrari's problems are simply down to the fact they are Italian. They only dominate when a non Italian is in charge or is a major force in the team. The Italian press doesn't help, you think UK tabloids are bad, they are amateurs compared to the press Ferrari has to deal with.
Not sure you can seriously believe Ferrari is incapable of breeding homegrown people to run a successful F1 team, because simply being Italian makes it impossible.Ferrari's problems are simply down to the fact they are Italian. They only dominate when a non Italian is in charge or is a major force in the team. The Italian press doesn't help, you think UK tabloids are bad, they are amateurs compared to the press Ferrari has to deal with.
I think the history of Ferrari and it's parents has bred and maintained a particular culture that has little appetite for failure or insubordination, a bit like a football team that changes manager every 5 minutes. Not a nationality thing, but a culture one. There are plenty of Italian individuals who've been there and proven they are world class.
Exige77 said:
I know Italy, Italian companies and Italian people very well.
JSF makes a very valid point.
Same reasons that Toyota failed. As great as they are at making road cars, they have completely the wrong culture to succeed in F1.
Totally agree that Ferrari has a culture that makes it difficult to succeed (the original point, I believe). Totally disagree that 'being italian' makes that kind of success impossible, any more than it would be because they're Muslim or black or any other arbitrary, broad brush nonsense. JSF makes a very valid point.
Same reasons that Toyota failed. As great as they are at making road cars, they have completely the wrong culture to succeed in F1.
It's just lazy stereotyping.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
otally agree that Ferrari has a culture that makes it difficult to succeed (the original point, I believe). Totally disagree that 'being italian' makes that kind of success impossible, any more than it would be because they're Muslim or black or any other arbitrary, broad brush nonsense.
It's just lazy stereotyping.
It's not, it's a reflection of their culture, they do things differently. Whenever i go to Monza it always frustrates and amuses in equal measure. At most circuits they give you a slot for the truck and let the driver get on with it. At Monza you have to queue at the gate, wait for a bloke on a scooter to turn up, follow him to the slot you know in advance is allocated to you anyway, then put up with their arm waving whilst the truckie does what he does for a living anyway. Then he potters off on his scooter for the next truck. It's barking mad. It's just lazy stereotyping.
sparta6 said:
Agreed.
But even these sound better than the current hybrids
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAfe7p2A_k9/
They don't, that's my idea of hell.But even these sound better than the current hybrids
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAfe7p2A_k9/
t.Exige77 said:
The main cost is the development.
The cost of the physical engine is not huge.
This. If cost saving were the name of the game it would be far cheaper to use a straightforward ICE and replace it after every session, than spend hundreds of millions developing the engines we have now. The cost of the physical engine is not huge.
F1's irony is, that changes are made in the name of cost saving, yet the cost is in the change itself and they happen so often, there's no saving at all.
The current engines might be masterpieces, but the man on the street doesn't GAF because as soon as you start talking about thermal efficiency or energy recovery their eyes glaze over. You could achieve the marketing benefit by simply having the basic KERS we used to have and call it hybrid or whatever. That's why you don't have a queue of manufacturers willing to spend half a billion pounds to get on the grid and spend 4 years looking as crap as Honda did.
Also, there's no point in pretending F1 is at the cutting edge of road car relevancy because, inconveniently, you have FE, which really is far more relevant, but a relatively boring show because of it.
Trying to erase history, particularly negative events, is never a very good idea.
Historical monuments relating to the slave trade should now be celebrated because they remind us of the things we shouldn't do.
Also, maybe thought of as being controversial for a second, some of the people involved in the slave trade were, ironically, philanthropists who also did a lot of good. Some of those people are commemorated with statues and paintings. They were involved in a trade that our societies accepted, at that time, however wrong we now know it was. We don't have to accept slavery to agree some of these people did good things for society as well as what we now accept as bad.
Lewis Hamilton wears his heart on his sleeve, but he also sometimes has a naive belief that his causes should be everybody's and that he must assume a leadership role. People can denounce racism and slavery in their own way without having to conform to the 'Hamilton standard' and I hope he'll accept that.
Motorsport is terribly misrepresentative of society, though I imagine much of that is financially and socially driven and that comes from outside the sport. Being black didn't stop McLaren from spottong and supporting Hamilton from an early age, for example.
Historical monuments relating to the slave trade should now be celebrated because they remind us of the things we shouldn't do.
Also, maybe thought of as being controversial for a second, some of the people involved in the slave trade were, ironically, philanthropists who also did a lot of good. Some of those people are commemorated with statues and paintings. They were involved in a trade that our societies accepted, at that time, however wrong we now know it was. We don't have to accept slavery to agree some of these people did good things for society as well as what we now accept as bad.
Lewis Hamilton wears his heart on his sleeve, but he also sometimes has a naive belief that his causes should be everybody's and that he must assume a leadership role. People can denounce racism and slavery in their own way without having to conform to the 'Hamilton standard' and I hope he'll accept that.
Motorsport is terribly misrepresentative of society, though I imagine much of that is financially and socially driven and that comes from outside the sport. Being black didn't stop McLaren from spottong and supporting Hamilton from an early age, for example.
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