The Official 2016 Austrian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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DeltonaS said:
It's just that some of the Hamilton "adoration" on here annoys me a bit, wenn in reality he's been far from faultless.
Hamilton, Ricciardo and Verstappen are admired because they race hard and have pulled wins and podiums from defeat. Whenever Rosberg doesn't have a lights to flag victory handed to him from pole he inevitably f**s it up.
NM62 said:
DeltonaS said:
The diva owes two WDC's to an unprecedentedly dominant Mercedes, in which almost the entire f1 field would've become WDC....
Not this crap again....
It's the usual crap that's spouted every year when those who understand motor racing know full well that together with Vettel and a while back Alonso, Hamilton is the best in the field.
RichB said:
NM62 said:
DeltonaS said:
The diva owes two WDC's to an unprecedentedly dominant Mercedes, in which almost the entire f1 field would've become WDC....
Not this crap again....It's the usual crap that's spouted every year when those who understand motor racing know full well that together with Vettel and a while back Alonso, Hamilton is the best in the field.
Hated it when Vettel was winning everything BUT there was reason as you say.
Same with JB to an extent - yes he had the best car but only one driver delivered when it mattered.
DeltonaS said:
It's just that some of the Hamilton "adoration" on here annoys me a bit, wenn in reality he's been far from faultless.
This is a British site and he is a British driver so there is bound to be an element of partisanship.But also, Hamilton is one of a handful of "racers" on the grid. Alonso is the main other one who comes to mind. They are able to outdrive their car, working around flaws and putting it several places higher than it deserves. All of Alonso's years at Ferrari are probably the most obvious example, but Hamilton's toils at McLaren too.
Rosberg on the other hand is more of just a competent driver. Give him the tools and he will deliver, but when the car isn't up to it he never displays the flashes of brilliance which you see in other racers.
Think about Button winning in a BAR-Honda (who else did? He came from near the back of the grid to win while his teammate started 3rd and finished 4th!) or the times he made brilliant drives in changing conditions and coped on slicks while others clung to intermediates.
Then try to recall a time when Rosberg has hauled a dog of a car to a win or charged through the field from the back of the grid.
Hence I would suggest that people are more likely to cut Hamilton (or Alonso, or in the day, Schumacher) some slack because they are entertaining drivers who make the racing exciting. Whereas Rosberg is given less room as he is expected to just plod around only making easy overtakes - so when he tries to get racy people don't like it (particularly as it usually ends badly for him and the other guy).
DeltonaS said:
Instead of getting Gerhard Berger to negotiate his contract, Nico should let Gerhard to teach Hamilton a lesson in humility.
The diva owes two WDC's to an unprecedentedly dominant Mercedes, in which almost the entire f1 field would've become WDC.
But Hamilton presents himself as the next Senna....
When LH joined Mercedes they had won one(?) race in 3years.The diva owes two WDC's to an unprecedentedly dominant Mercedes, in which almost the entire f1 field would've become WDC.
But Hamilton presents himself as the next Senna....
Maybe LH is part of the development you know.
In addition Senna wasnt in a dog of a car when he won titles was he? None of the Champions were. Funny that - you need THE driver and THE car. Eddie Irvine, etc etc all had great cars but couldn't..
Just watched the GP again and one thing I noticed
When toto bangs his fist on the table, it's not when they collide, it's when it becomes obvious that Rosbergs front wing has failed, you can see this on the to screens in front and behind him.
Was he was reacting to Rosberg not being able to hold onto the win, suggesting Rosberg as his favourite ?
Through the start of 2014, toto showed favouritism to Rosberg but seemed to warm to Hamilton, not so now ?
When toto bangs his fist on the table, it's not when they collide, it's when it becomes obvious that Rosbergs front wing has failed, you can see this on the to screens in front and behind him.
Was he was reacting to Rosberg not being able to hold onto the win, suggesting Rosberg as his favourite ?
Through the start of 2014, toto showed favouritism to Rosberg but seemed to warm to Hamilton, not so now ?
Gary C said:
Just watched the GP again and one thing I noticed
When toto bangs his fist on the table, it's not when they collide, it's when it becomes obvious that Rosbergs front wing has failed, you can see this on the to screens in front and behind him.
Was he was reacting to Rosberg not being able to hold onto the win, suggesting Rosberg as his favourite ?
Through the start of 2014, toto showed favouritism to Rosberg but seemed to warm to Hamilton, not so now ?
Or maybe just frustration because he realised that the 1-2 had probably been lost?When toto bangs his fist on the table, it's not when they collide, it's when it becomes obvious that Rosbergs front wing has failed, you can see this on the to screens in front and behind him.
Was he was reacting to Rosberg not being able to hold onto the win, suggesting Rosberg as his favourite ?
Through the start of 2014, toto showed favouritism to Rosberg but seemed to warm to Hamilton, not so now ?
RichardM5 said:
Gary C said:
Just watched the GP again and one thing I noticed
When toto bangs his fist on the table, it's not when they collide, it's when it becomes obvious that Rosbergs front wing has failed, you can see this on the to screens in front and behind him.
Was he was reacting to Rosberg not being able to hold onto the win, suggesting Rosberg as his favourite ?
Through the start of 2014, toto showed favouritism to Rosberg but seemed to warm to Hamilton, not so now ?
Or maybe just frustration because he realised that the 1-2 had probably been lost?When toto bangs his fist on the table, it's not when they collide, it's when it becomes obvious that Rosbergs front wing has failed, you can see this on the to screens in front and behind him.
Was he was reacting to Rosberg not being able to hold onto the win, suggesting Rosberg as his favourite ?
Through the start of 2014, toto showed favouritism to Rosberg but seemed to warm to Hamilton, not so now ?
deadslow said:
RichardM5 said:
Gary C said:
Just watched the GP again and one thing I noticed
When toto bangs his fist on the table, it's not when they collide, it's when it becomes obvious that Rosbergs front wing has failed, you can see this on the to screens in front and behind him.
Was he was reacting to Rosberg not being able to hold onto the win, suggesting Rosberg as his favourite ?
Through the start of 2014, toto showed favouritism to Rosberg but seemed to warm to Hamilton, not so now ?
Or maybe just frustration because he realised that the 1-2 had probably been lost?When toto bangs his fist on the table, it's not when they collide, it's when it becomes obvious that Rosbergs front wing has failed, you can see this on the to screens in front and behind him.
Was he was reacting to Rosberg not being able to hold onto the win, suggesting Rosberg as his favourite ?
Through the start of 2014, toto showed favouritism to Rosberg but seemed to warm to Hamilton, not so now ?
When I saw the playback I assumed like most that it was a reaction the them touching.
I do remember a qualifying early in 2014 when toto was eulogising about Rosbergs performance and did not even know where Hamilton had qualified, strange man sometimes.
In the end, the collision was sort of a racing incident (even though it's judged Rosbergs fault), not giving room to let him back on track seemed dangerous, do we think that was deliberate or because of the damage.
Edited by Gary C on Thursday 7th July 11:18
Gary C said:
Oh yes, there is more than one way to read it
When I saw the playback I assumed like most that it was a reaction the them touching.
I do remember a qualifying early in 2014 when toto was eulogising about Rosbergs performance and did not even know where Hamilton had qualified, strange man sometimes.
In the end, the collision was sort of a racing incident (even though it's judged Rosbergs fault), not giving room to let him back on track seemed dangerous, do we think that was deliberate or because of the damage.
I think Rosberg isn't sure who he is in terms of racing. He is not a ruthless win at all costs driver and when he does try to be this he usually fWhen I saw the playback I assumed like most that it was a reaction the them touching.
I do remember a qualifying early in 2014 when toto was eulogising about Rosbergs performance and did not even know where Hamilton had qualified, strange man sometimes.
In the end, the collision was sort of a racing incident (even though it's judged Rosbergs fault), not giving room to let him back on track seemed dangerous, do we think that was deliberate or because of the damage.
Edited by Gary C on Thursday 7th July 11:18
ks it up. He is quite clearly a very very fast driver he should just concentrate on being a little bit quicker still.I suspect Toto's reaction is entirely understandable without conspiracy theories. Neither car had spun off and there was a gap to the rear, so the initial contact appeared to be a bit of a "shrug shoulders, boys will be boys" moment - a 1-2 victory still in the bag. Then to see that Rosberg was crippled meant the 1-2 victory was no longer certain (and possibly no points at all again - the impact could easily have also damaged Hamilton's radiators or other items in the sidepod).
You're cherry picking a bit....
As far as I'm aware Lewis doesn't have a PHD in engineering or aerodynamics.
Mercedes dominance started with the new hybrid engine formula. That's a technical achievement.
Drivers input in a cars performance is in the final tenths/hundreds/thousands of a lap, ON track and in the pitbox, setting up a car, not at the factory.
And remember that Hamilton actually wanted to go to RedBull but ended up at Mercedes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/articl...
His first WDC he won in the final lap of the final day of the f1 calendar, dependent on others. He could just as well had no WDC at all at this point.
Plus Senna, Prost and Schumi for instance, always had very strong competition from a rival team.
In that respect we must be very thankful to Mercedes that they let their drivers race each other.
And guess what, Hamilton doesn't always win, far from, even when he "only" has Rosberg as competition...
hora said:
When LH joined Mercedes they had won one(?) race in 3years.
Maybe LH is part of the development you know.
Maybe LH is part of the development you know.
As far as I'm aware Lewis doesn't have a PHD in engineering or aerodynamics.
Mercedes dominance started with the new hybrid engine formula. That's a technical achievement.
Drivers input in a cars performance is in the final tenths/hundreds/thousands of a lap, ON track and in the pitbox, setting up a car, not at the factory.
And remember that Hamilton actually wanted to go to RedBull but ended up at Mercedes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/articl...
His first WDC he won in the final lap of the final day of the f1 calendar, dependent on others. He could just as well had no WDC at all at this point.
hora said:
In addition Senna wasnt in a dog of a car when he won titles was he? None of the Champions were.
True, but an easy 0.8 but mostly a 1 to 1.3 seconds gap in qualy for almost 2 1/2 years now is unprecedented.Plus Senna, Prost and Schumi for instance, always had very strong competition from a rival team.
hora said:
Funny that - you need THE driver and THE car. Eddie Irvine, etc etc all had great cars but couldn't..
Irvine and Barrichello were the designated 2nd drivers for Ferrari.In that respect we must be very thankful to Mercedes that they let their drivers race each other.
And guess what, Hamilton doesn't always win, far from, even when he "only" has Rosberg as competition...
FourWheelDrift said:
DeltonaS said:
You mean like COTA 2015, lap 1, turn 1.
When Lewis was far from following the race line, wenn he squeezed and crowed Rosberg off track limits, just after they made contact. And race control just forgot to give Hamilton a penalty.
The FIA allow first lap start argy bargy.When Lewis was far from following the race line, wenn he squeezed and crowed Rosberg off track limits, just after they made contact. And race control just forgot to give Hamilton a penalty.
Gary C said:
Just watched the GP again and one thing I noticed
When toto bangs his fist on the table, it's not when they collide, it's when it becomes obvious that Rosbergs front wing has failed, you can see this on the to screens in front and behind him.
Was he was reacting to Rosberg not being able to hold onto the win, suggesting Rosberg as his favourite ?
Through the start of 2014, toto showed favouritism to Rosberg but seemed to warm to Hamilton, not so now ?
One of his drivers went from 1st to 4th reason enough to be frustrated and bang your fist at the moment the front of his car fell off especially as it was "blue on blue" at that point he could have had a DNF. When toto bangs his fist on the table, it's not when they collide, it's when it becomes obvious that Rosbergs front wing has failed, you can see this on the to screens in front and behind him.
Was he was reacting to Rosberg not being able to hold onto the win, suggesting Rosberg as his favourite ?
Through the start of 2014, toto showed favouritism to Rosberg but seemed to warm to Hamilton, not so now ?
I don't get this tin foil favouritism stuff at all.
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