Lewis Hamilton

[citizensm1th]

paulguitar said:

jsf said:

Yet he is quite happy to not pay millions in tax that could be used to help improve the lives of those living in the slums of stevenage.

Yeah okay, show us all of the F1 drivers who choose to pay UK tax.

Hahaha funny, arch tory supporter moaning about rich people being tax savvy.

Can't be the right kind of rich person I guess

[paulguitar]

jsf said:

paulguitar said:

Yeah okay, show us all of the F1 drivers who choose to pay UK tax.

What has that got to do with Hamilton?

You're treating him differently. All F1 drivers choose to live as tax exiles, since the days of Jim Clark, and yet:

jsf said:

he is quite happy to not pay millions in tax that could be used to help improve the lives of those living in the slums of stevenage.

Why would you type that?

[KevinCamaroSS]

jsf said:

Yet he is quite happy to not pay millions in tax that could be used to help improve the lives of those living in the slums of Stevenage.

Perhaps you should also fact check before posting?

ALL the F1 drivers pay tax in ALL the countries they race in, for international sports stars they pay where they earn it, NOT where they live. Since Hamilton spends a lot of time in the UK 'working', i.e. at the factory, he pays more tax in the UK than in any other country. IIRC he is in the top 10% of taxpayers in the UK.

[anonymous-user]

paulguitar said:

Why would you type that?

I dont recall those drivers using their platform to push their agenda.

I don't have a problem with anyone living wherever they like to reduce their tax burden, just dont damage your old home with your comments to make you apear more deprived than you were. That's not cool, his old town were pretty unhappy about that and rightly so.

What other drivers do or did is not relevant, we are discussing Lewis and the confused messages he sends out to the world.

[paulguitar]

jsf said:

I dont recall those drivers using their platform to push their agenda.

So he can live in the UK and pay half his income in tax and 'push his agenda', but if he lives in Monaco like the rest of the F1 drivers he's not allowed to talk?

[CustardOnChips]

jsf said:

paulguitar said:

Yeah okay, show us all of the F1 drivers who choose to pay UK tax.

What has that got to do with Hamilton?

Do you know anyone who voluntarily pays more tax than than they have to?

[anonymous-user]

CustardOnChips said:

Do you know anyone who voluntarily pays more tax than than they have to?

I know people who moved from Monaco to London which meant they pay a lot more tax than they used to.

[Exige77]

jsf said:

WickerBill said:

I think Lewis appreciates his responsibilities rather well, hence taking on board the fight for a better world whether through his work for Unicef, the WWF, other charity work, his fight for equality, a sustainable future etc....but we are all prone to mistakes from time to time. The important thing is to accept when we are wrong, and redress it.

Yet he is quite happy to not pay millions in tax that could be used to help improve the lives of those living in the slums of stevenage.

His comment about his home town cant have helped improve inward investment in the area either.

He comes across as a confused young man, fantastic driver and a nice bloke with his heart in the right place, but tying himself in knots.

His thinking is confused.

He’s an Advocate of the environment but promotes the fashion Industry which is one of the world’s biggest polluters.

He can promote fashion. That’s fine. Make a few bob from it. That’s also fine.

He can promote environmental issues. That’s also fine.

How does he square the two ?

Edited for typo

Edited by Exige77 on Tuesday 28th July 20:10

[sparta6]

jsf said:

I know people who moved from Monaco to London which meant they pay a lot more tax than they used to.

The increase in culture and activity is worth the tax uplift.

[HustleRussell]

Exige77 said:

His thinking is confused.

He’s an Advocate of the environment but promotes the fashion Industry which is one of the world’s biggest polluters.

He can promote fashion. That’s fine. Make a few non from it. That’s also fine.

He can promote environmental issues. That’s also fine.

How does he square the two ?

There is a lot of bks posted in this thread, however this is one good example of Hamilton hypocrisy and a valid criticism. I'd like to know the answer to that too.

[sparta6]

WickerBill said:

sparta6 said:

HustleRussell said:

sparta6 said:

WickerBill said:

sparta6 said:

Nah, Lewis was just trying to gain some street cred from his LA brothers who did actually grow up in real slums.


IIRC didn't Lewis tell us to become Vegan ?

….right...…..yeh that's really going to gain him some street cred. the world according to Sparta again.

find me the vegan article with quotes and il believe you. But I bet my bottom dollar he hasn't ever told people directly to do something....just asked people to consider it or educate themselves....

Exactly ! The petal is that desperate for approval and adoration

Persuading us to go vegan ?
Here you go

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/16/sport/formula-o...

So according to Sparta he's "telling" us to go vegan

then it's "persuading"

the reality turns out to be that he said veganism is "the only way to truly save our planet"

Hence 'world according to Sparta'

You will notice Hamilton removed his original Vegan tweet

If I need persuading I'll listen to Bono

I do find it slightly ironic that in a thread criticising Hamilton for not fact checking before posting, Sparta doesn't bother fact checking before posting.

just proves Sparta is 'only human' I suppose....;-P

A bit hazy from the Dark n Stormy's

If you insist on trying to split hairs, is the Government currently telling us to change, or persuading us to change ??

It's a pretty fine line

[anonymous-user]

sparta6 said:

The increase in culture and activity is worth the tax uplift.

Lot's of benefits to moving to the UK.

[Graveworm]

CustardOnChips said:

jsf said:

paulguitar said:

Yeah okay, show us all of the F1 drivers who choose to pay UK tax.

What has that got to do with Hamilton?

Do you know anyone who voluntarily pays more tax than than they have to?

He is in the top 0.01% of UK tax payers. He must be awful at tax dodging.

[DeltonaS]

Graveworm said:

CustardOnChips said:

jsf said:

paulguitar said:

Yeah okay, show us all of the F1 drivers who choose to pay UK tax.

What has that got to do with Hamilton?

Do you know anyone who voluntarily pays more tax than than they have to?

He is in the top 0.01% of UK tax payers. He must be awful at tax dodging.

The vast majority of people don't make much money. Even if a small percentage of his vast income is taxed in the UK it's still enough to be part of the top X%. For instance 1% of 40m is still 400K.

https://www.icaew.com/technical/tax/personal-tax/i...
The top 1% of income tax payers in the UK is made up of 310,000 individuals with a taxable income of at least £160,000 – but to be in the top 0.1%, that income must be nearly £650,000.

[Graveworm]

DeltonaS said:

The vast majority of people don't make much money. Even if a small percentage of his vast income is taxed in the UK it's still enough to be part of the top X%. For instance 1% of 40m is still 400K.

https://www.icaew.com/technical/tax/personal-tax/i...
The top 1% of income tax payers in the UK is made up of 310,000 individuals with a taxable income of at least £160,000 – but to be in the top 0.1%, that income must be nearly £650,000.

But 0.01 is smaller than 0.1 last time I checked. . . . by a factor of 10 IIRC .. If you have to pay more tax than that before you can express an opinion that could even rule out a couple of people on PH.

[M5-911]

jsf said:

I know people who moved from Monaco to London which meant they pay a lot more tax than they used to.

Because they don't have choice. I spend a few month in Monaco every year. You don't move from Monaco to London just for the fun of paying tax. Generally is because they can't afford to be in Monaco anymore so paying tax in London is cheaper...

[768]

Graveworm said:

DeltonaS said:

The vast majority of people don't make much money. Even if a small percentage of his vast income is taxed in the UK it's still enough to be part of the top X%. For instance 1% of 40m is still 400K.

https://www.icaew.com/technical/tax/personal-tax/i...
The top 1% of income tax payers in the UK is made up of 310,000 individuals with a taxable income of at least £160,000 – but to be in the top 0.1%, that income must be nearly £650,000.

But 0.01 is smaller than 0.1 last time I checked. . . . by a factor of 10 IIRC .. If you have to pay more tax than that before you can express an opinion that could even rule out a couple of people on PH.

£2.2m for the top 0.01% according to this. I suspect Lewis earns a chunk more than that so it's probably not saying very much.

[jimPH]

I work in oil and gas. But I don't use disposable supermarket carry bags and just chuck my shopping in loose.

I feel like I'm doing my bit.

[leef44]

768 said:

Graveworm said:

DeltonaS said:

The vast majority of people don't make much money. Even if a small percentage of his vast income is taxed in the UK it's still enough to be part of the top X%. For instance 1% of 40m is still 400K.

https://www.icaew.com/technical/tax/personal-tax/i...
The top 1% of income tax payers in the UK is made up of 310,000 individuals with a taxable income of at least £160,000 – but to be in the top 0.1%, that income must be nearly £650,000.

But 0.01 is smaller than 0.1 last time I checked. . . . by a factor of 10 IIRC .. If you have to pay more tax than that before you can express an opinion that could even rule out a couple of people on PH.

£2.2m for the top 0.01% according to this. I suspect Lewis earns a chunk more than that so it's probably not saying very much.

Someone posted earlier that the UK earnt income for F1 drivers are taxed in the UK. 2.2m looks like 5% of his income so one in twenty races. That sounds about right. That must put Vettel in the same group of UK tax payers as Hamilton.

[Graveworm]

leef44 said:

Someone posted earlier that the UK earnt income for F1 drivers are taxed in the UK. 2.2m looks like 5% of his income so one in twenty races. That sounds about right. That must put Vettel in the same group of UK tax payers as Hamilton.

This is getting worrying - the starting price of entry to that group in 2015, according to that article was 2.230 million so obviously that's "All" he pays tax on. (The average was 5,250,000)
Unlikely but it still wouldn't make him a tax dodger,
They only pay tax the sporting income for the period of the sporting event ..

Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 28th July 22:40