pagani zonda crash @199mph

[JRM Rossi]

sorry if its a repost

http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/02/22/millionaire-tune...

[wackojacko]

Whoops! Didn't know that the founder of Gembella was shot in SA last year.

Some would say it's the best thing for it with an interior that colour


Good that it was not fatal.......... nearly 200mph in the wet ...... forgive for this but what an UTTER UTTER tt !

[GingerWizard]

I would like to think the back end stepped out as the peak power kicked in, in 5th....... fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap

Gwiz

[kentmotorcompany]

Even smashed to bits, the quality of this cars stands out a mile.

[m3jappa]

Yellow seats and a wooden gear knob:

Money doesn't buy taste shocker.

[Rollcage]

I read some reports where he was only admitting to doing a little over 100km/h. Still a lot of damage, whatever speed he was doing.

He was coming back from the launch of the new Pag Huayra and also has a very impressive car collection - he owns two Bugatti Veyrons, assorted Lamborghinis and a Gemballa Mirage.

He has also ordered the new McLaren MP4-12C

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359914/1-...

[flemke]

That link doesn't work for me, but I saw a version of it earlier today.
They're claiming "199 mph", are they?
That car is going to require at least a mile, continuously flat-out, to reach 199 mph. Did the road configuration make that even possible?

[Slinky]

I wonder if this investor has ever had anything to do with Gizmondo?

[Rollcage]

Slinky said:

I wonder if this investor has ever had anything to do with Gizmondo?

Ha!


I think the speed has been seriously overstated - when you look at the footage of that Enzo accident and the Pagani pics the alleged similarity in speed does not add up. Mind you, the Pagani does seem to have missed any nearby telegraph poles!

Would somebody with a reasonable experience of such cars really feel the need to do that sort of speed on a public road at night in the rain? (And yes, I am well aware that a few owners on here have done it, though in the dry, hopefully!)

What would he have been hoping to prove?

[EDLT]

He had a Zonda at 27!

Where am I going wrong?

[Kawasicki]

flemke said:

That link doesn't work for me, but I saw a version of it earlier today.
They're claiming "199 mph", are they?
That car is going to require at least a mile, continuously flat-out, to reach 199 mph. Did the road configuration make that even possible?

There are plenty of public roads where 199mph is possible.

[flemke]

Kawasicki said:

flemke said:

That link doesn't work for me, but I saw a version of it earlier today.
They're claiming "199 mph", are they?
That car is going to require at least a mile, continuously flat-out, to reach 199 mph. Did the road configuration make that even possible?

There are plenty of public roads where 199mph is possible.

It depends on what you mean by "plenty".
Did this accident happen on a motorway? If so, then there are loads of places, yes. If not motorway, the universe is drastically reduced. In the wet, even on a motorway it would be difficult to get to 199. It just takes too long, soon you're running out of space or other vehicles get in the way. The difference between, say, 140 and 199 is huge.

[Ultrasound]

flemke said:

It depends on what you mean by "plenty".
Did this accident happen on a motorway? If so, then there are loads of places, yes. If not motorway, the universe is drastically reduced. In the wet, even on a motorway it would be difficult to get to 199. It just takes too long, soon you're running out of space or other vehicles get in the way. The difference between, say, 140 and 199 is huge.

What's 220ish like?

[flemke]

Ultrasound said:

flemke said:

It depends on what you mean by "plenty".
Did this accident happen on a motorway? If so, then there are loads of places, yes. If not motorway, the universe is drastically reduced. In the wet, even on a motorway it would be difficult to get to 199. It just takes too long, soon you're running out of space or other vehicles get in the way. The difference between, say, 140 and 199 is huge.

What's 220ish like?

It holds the driver's attention.

[The Tea Boy]

flemke said:

What's 220ish like?
It holds the driver's attention.

[davemac250]

EDLT said:

He had a Zonda at 27!

Where am I going wrong?

Your family tree?

[madala]

....what's with the stupid music?.....

[Kawasicki]

flemke said:

Kawasicki said:

flemke said:

That link doesn't work for me, but I saw a version of it earlier today.
They're claiming "199 mph", are they?
That car is going to require at least a mile, continuously flat-out, to reach 199 mph. Did the road configuration make that even possible?

There are plenty of public roads where 199mph is possible.

It depends on what you mean by "plenty".
Did this accident happen on a motorway? If so, then there are loads of places, yes. If not motorway, the universe is drastically reduced. In the wet, even on a motorway it would be difficult to get to 199. It just takes too long, soon you're running out of space or other vehicles get in the way. The difference between, say, 140 and 199 is huge.

I've been an occupant in a powerful (but big & heavy) car around Europe - 180mph was very common, 190mph was unusual but not a huge event, so I expect a very accelerative high power to weight ratio car would easily of hit 200mph in those situations. I suppose there are lots of unknowns that might of made the claimed 199mph unlikely, traffic, standing water....who knows, clearly it didn't end well.

[NotNormal]

The crash didn't happen at 200 mph but at closer to 60 mph. Korbach himself said news coverage on the web was plain off.

Rough translation:

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There's news on the Pagani crash. Steffen Korbach, driver of the luxury car, took the floor. According to his statement, news coverage on the internet is plain wrong. It has been said that Korbach, issuer of the magazine Prestige Cars and co-owner of Gemballa tuning, had driven into the guardrail at 320 kph.

At first it seemed like images from a nightmare. A Pagani Zonda is said to have crashed at a speed of 320 kph. But fortunately, everything was much less spectacular. However, the hand-made super sports car was still destroyed.

The accident occurred on the night of Wednesday to Thursday (16/17. February 2011) on the Italian motorway A10 near Spotrono. News are correct on that. The crash, however, did not occurr at a speed of 320 kph, as Steffen Korbach notified - who was the driver of the crashed car, a Pagani Zonda Roadster F Clubsport. The 28-year-old and his passenger again assured that, apart from a few slight bruises, both were unhurt.

According to Korbach, the accident took place about 500 metres after a a construction site with a speed limit of 60 kph. Leaving the 60 kph limited section, he accelerated and suddenly hit a larger sheet of water at a speed of now around 100 kph. According to his information, the puddle was in the middle of the highway and suddenly appeared in front of him. As a result of hitting the water, he claims, he lost control of the car, hitting the left guardrail, then bouncing back and hitting the right guardrail.

The outcome then, no matter what the source, is the same again. The Pagani Zonda, not inexpensive at about 1.2 million €, is scrap. It is important to take one's hat off to the engineers. Their safety concept protected the passengers from serious harm. Korbach says that the vehicle is already undergoing an examination by experts to find out whether a reconstruction of the vehicle would pay off.

German source:
[www.pkwradar.de]

[flemke]

Kawasicki said:

flemke said:

Kawasicki said:

flemke said:

That link doesn't work for me, but I saw a version of it earlier today.
They're claiming "199 mph", are they?
That car is going to require at least a mile, continuously flat-out, to reach 199 mph. Did the road configuration make that even possible?

There are plenty of public roads where 199mph is possible.

It depends on what you mean by "plenty".
Did this accident happen on a motorway? If so, then there are loads of places, yes. If not motorway, the universe is drastically reduced. In the wet, even on a motorway it would be difficult to get to 199. It just takes too long, soon you're running out of space or other vehicles get in the way. The difference between, say, 140 and 199 is huge.

I've been an occupant in a powerful (but big & heavy) car around Europe - 180mph was very common, 190mph was unusual but not a huge event, so I expect a very accelerative high power to weight ratio car would easily of hit 200mph in those situations. I suppose there are lots of unknowns that might of made the claimed 199mph unlikely, traffic, standing water....who knows, clearly it didn't end well.

I've done a lot of autobahn miles in cars that were not slow. Apart from the car I was in, I don't think I have never even seen someone doing 180 mph, which would be an indicated 300-310 kph.
It is not uncommon to see big Audi and Merc wagons cruising at 230-250, but that last 50 kph is another story.
I'm not saying that it can't be done; of course it can be done. But even in a Zonda you need a big length of pretty straight, pretty smooth carriageway, and that's before we consider traffic and the rain. If I believed half of what gets written in newspapers, or a quarter of what gets published on the internet, I should have my head examined. (Maybe I should have it examined anyhow.)

Cheers.