RE: BMW M3 CRT: Munich's Lightweight Saloon
Discussion
JumpinJack said:
Why would they do it on the saloon body? Shirely... if you want to use it for track days etc. you're not going to want to put the kids/your mates in the back?
Or would tha be too much like the GTS?
I absolutely love the fact it's a sedan/saloon! Or would tha be too much like the GTS?
I cannot stand the look of the current 3 series in coupe body. In fact, any sedan with coupe doors just doesn't look right to me (see also Audi A5, 6 series). Basically, if your car has a back seat, it should probably have four doors (some hatchbacks excluded). I also find it annoying opening one of the doors on a car like this and it flying out into the distance several feet.
-Matt
Mermaid said:
marcosgt said:
Is there some homologation rule for the DTM?
Could the reason it's 4 door be because it's solely built to get some parts legalised for the DTM racer?
M.
ProbablyCould the reason it's 4 door be because it's solely built to get some parts legalised for the DTM racer?
M.
Can't see the commercial sense in selling just 65 cars, no matter how inflated the price. Who do BMW think they are - Porsche?
Zod said:
Beardy10 said:
Sure in China and the Middle East. Doesn't mean they aren't the wrong price.....
They sell in the US and Europe. All the M3 GTSs sold and quickly too.Munich said:
They are not selling the GTS in the US. To much effect and expense to homologate it. Apparently it has annoyed a good number of customers because they also didn't get the any of the special E30 M3s or the E46 CSL.
At least they got a 240bhp, automatic E36 M3! We never did - where's the justice eh? They also got the option of a manual E60 M5. Swings and roundabouts really.
Mermaid said:
Zwoelf said:
They also got the option of a manual E60 M5. Swings and roundabouts really.
Never did understand why they got stick shift.Zwoelf said:
Mermaid said:
Zwoelf said:
They also got the option of a manual E60 M5. Swings and roundabouts really.
Never did understand why they got stick shift.But offer a manual box in the market no fker will buy it. Then you only have to build 3-4 press cars.
Very shrewd.
LHD said:
It was, by all concerned, st.
But offer a manual box in the market no fker will buy it. Then you only have to build 3-4 press cars.
Very shrewd.
I also heard that the manual gearbox was st. However, although we have the impression that customers in the US only like to drive cars with 2 peddles, for BMW it seems really important to offer a "stick shift". It is a image thing - there is quite a large group of hardcore M drivers that feel Manual Transmission is the only way to go. If you don't offer a MT then you are not a sports car brand.But offer a manual box in the market no fker will buy it. Then you only have to build 3-4 press cars.
Very shrewd.
On the BMW USA website, you can see that for the F10 and E90, AT is offered as a no-cost option. I assume that the base price of the car already includes the cost of the AT, meaning that a US MT customer wants a MT so badly they are prepared to pay the AT surcharge without opting for it.... That is dedication!
yinujim said:
Johnboy Mac said:
Around €105k in Germany I understand plus options, another €10k?
£73K in the UK.It may be more exclusive, but I think I'd feel like a bit of a knob if I paid that much for a 3 series, when I could've had an M5 for 40 grand less!
bobberz said:
It may be more exclusive, but I think I'd feel like a bit of a knob if I paid that much for a 3 series, when I could've had an M5 for 40 grand less!
I wouldn't if a decade hence, the M5 will be worth around 10-15% of that £75k but this extremely low volume M3 will be worth around (very conservatively) 40% of that £115k... There is definitely a market opportunity here: take a standard M3, change seats and exhaust for lighter ones, re-map, nice light wheels, and sell for £90k.
This seems to be the trend overall now (Porsche, BMW, Audi, Merc): special limited editions overpriced but selling like pancakes because of the new huge market created by the new wealth in the "emerging" economies. We should get used to it....
This seems to be the trend overall now (Porsche, BMW, Audi, Merc): special limited editions overpriced but selling like pancakes because of the new huge market created by the new wealth in the "emerging" economies. We should get used to it....
Zod said:
The manual box was, I think, the same box as used in the E39 and E46, so not st. The drivers probably were though.
I'm sure the MT itself wasn't st, but the issue was that it doesn't really fit to the car and engine. Personally, I feel the SMG wasn't very good either, but when you drive the car in the manner it was engineered (i.e. hard) everything seems to fit together and creates a great package. However, from what I have heard and read (because I haven't actually driven an E60 M5 with MT...) when driving hard in the MT car it doesn't gel in the same way.The new BMW M3 Carbon Racing Technology (CRT).
Please be advised that BMW AG have today announced the introduction of a new BMW M3. Please be aware that BMW UK will not be taking any allocation of the BMW M3 CRT. It is a very niche model which currently doesn’t fit within the current product line-up and positioning within the UK market. The UK has always focused on the M3 Coupé as the sportiest model, equipping it with a standard carbon fibre roof as testament to this. For this reason the M3 CRT will not be sold in the UK.
Please be advised that BMW AG have today announced the introduction of a new BMW M3. Please be aware that BMW UK will not be taking any allocation of the BMW M3 CRT. It is a very niche model which currently doesn’t fit within the current product line-up and positioning within the UK market. The UK has always focused on the M3 Coupé as the sportiest model, equipping it with a standard carbon fibre roof as testament to this. For this reason the M3 CRT will not be sold in the UK.
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