RE: New Corvette revealed at last!

[Stu R]

TrivsTom said:

I watched the live launch of this on Youtube. I wanted to hate this because A) It's American, B) OHV engine C) 450BHP from a 6.2 is underpowered these days!
But I really like the look of it, and the sub 4-second 0-60 got me thinking, is this the GT86 of its class? Showing that handling is more important than power? (Since its 100BHP down on an M5)

It weighs over 1000lb less than an M5, so I wouldn't get too hung up on it. Not that they're particularly comparable cars of course...

[c6pete]

TrivsTom said:

I watched the live launch of this on Youtube. I wanted to hate this because A) It's American, B) OHV engine C) 450BHP from a 6.2 is underpowered these days!
But I really like the look of it, and the sub 4-second 0-60 got me thinking, is this the GT86 of its class? Showing that handling is more important than power? (Since its 100BHP down on an M5)

Take a look at the thread off the back of the article when the new engine was launched....lots of arguments for and against getting every BHP out of an engine. The LS generations of engines are extremely customisable (take the 6.2 in the ZR1, with 638bhp, vs the standard 6.2 with 430), so no doubt the engine in the C7 will equally be able to give more grunt with a few aftermarket tweaks.

Edited by c6pete on Monday 14th January 14:24

[Krikkit]

Gixer said:

Monty Python said:

365daytonafan said:

Looks nice but someone explain why Chevrolet persist with transverse leaf springs on the Vette?

I don't think this one does - the blurb on the website says it uses all-round wishbones with third-generation magnetic dampers.

All recent Corvettes have used all round wish bones etc. don't confuse the spring with the suspension set up its just a spring. It will still use composite leaf springs.

Not too sure if I like this to be honest. I will wait until I see one in the flesh.

Yep, very novel suspension setup indeed! (This is the C6)

[4star]

Just read this on Autocar, for any of you not able to get on with LHD.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/detroit-motor-sh...

[kambites]

4star said:

Just read this on Autocar, for any of you not able to get on with LHD.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/detroit-motor-sh...

That is fantastic news, if it's true.

[PascalBuyens]

I like it in that grey...

And what's the big fuss about it having 4 exhausts? It's always had them...

[Baryonyx]

Hyundai got there first!

[IDrinkPetrol]

aeropilot said:

4star said:

Not completely sold on them calling it a Stingray however

Agreed.

The Stringray name was a bit iffy being applied to the C3 in my view, let alone being brought back 30 years on for the C7.

Other than that it gets a from me

So, what, the '57 Stingray show car is the only one that gets the name? Or have I missed something?
('63 to '67 C2s were Sting Rays after all)

[FestivAli]

I'm confused - way to much going on with the surfacing front and sides, then they forget to style the back? Hate to be negative as I love Corvettes (give me a True-Lies spec C2, a black C4, a red C5 and a Yellow C6 ZO6) but this looks overdone. I guess my yank-car de jour remains a black 2013 Dodge (alright, SRT) Viper Coupe.

[AlexKing]

benzpassion said:

Reardy Mister said:

We're all very sorry you were sacked from your job in the mail-room at Jaguar. But I think its time you let this go.

Haven't a clue what you're on/on about, fella. I'm an engineer(Ingenieur/C.Eng., not 'washing machine engineer'), so I wouldn't be working/worked at 'Jaguar', would I, which was rather my point, as Jag/JLR's schtick is PR, not real, fantastic engineering, like what the good ole boys at Detroit pulled out with this marvellous Stingray product.

By the way, anyone with half a brain cell knows JLR planted the '800 new jobs'(many of which are actually agency/temp, just to cover the initial ramp up of the 2013 R/R/RRS) story with their usual Brit media helpers yesterday, as a spoiler piece on today's Detroit Motor Show generally, at which they have zip new to show, and specifically to try to divert attention from the wonderful, half the price to an F-type new Corvette, knowing it would blow the cynically conceived and wholly Marketing-reliant 'new' F-type clean out of the water. Hasn't worked, anyway. The reception in America and pretty much everywhere else has been rapturous to the Corvette, and all but the obviuous shills and trolls lurking on forums such as these, whether hired and paid for their efforts by JLR or not, know it.

OK, so you, with your ten or so posts (most of them in this thread) and one-month history is the Voice Of Reason and the rest of us on here are all in the pay of JLR? Methinks you protest too much.

Also - guess what - this is a UK site, and we quite like cars that are built to a British Philosophy, and that are available in RHD. We get that you prefer the Corvette to the F-Type. Really, we do, but accusing people who disagree with you of being plants and trolls is, well, trollish. I fear I may be feeding you, but its fun at the moment.

benzpassion said:

fella said:

(btw comparing BMW 5 series with Jaguar is completely pointless. BMW also sell more 3 series in the UK than Ford do Mondeos, what does that mean? fk all.)

er, again, not sure what you're rambling about. My point was clear. Without the F-type as a sucess in the US, Jaguar as a brand is finished. The new Corvette is already an assured massive hit. Ergo, the F-type is almost certain to suffer, and hence Jag go bang. Too simple for you?

Far too simple, but only in the sense of being ignorant. The mistake you're making is that USA=world. This is less true now than it has been in centuries. As a relatively small manufacturer, JLR is correctly looking to grow the business through growth markets such as China, where they are setting up new factories and selling progressively more cars.

benzpassion said:

My point comparing BMW's sales of just the 5-series in the US to Jag's total w/wide sales was to illustrate how insignificant Jag really is, once you get past the 'Brits/Brit cars rule the world' mentality/propaganda of the Brit based auto media.

So you dislike a car because it comes from a smaller manufacturer than GM. That makes perfect sense, obviously. If Jaguar are so insignificant, why are you so enthused about this being an apparent F-Type killer?

benzpassionfruit said:

Okay, fella? Alles klar?

You really are behaving like an insufferable twunt. Please learn to be more civil.

[benzpassion]

AlexKing said:

they(JLR)'re building a whole new factory to make four cylinder petrols and diesels

so that'll be the now notorious 'i54' vapourware factory, that was first splash-announced to the UK media's lackeys way back in April 2011; officially re-announced by deputy Clegg, no less, in Sep. 2011; and to date, almost two years after the initial announcement, has not proceeded beyond the structural metalwork phase of construction, and only '2014' is incredibly vaguely stated as an opening date?

Er, doesn't this precisely prove my point about JLR being all about BS?

In that time period of three years from announcement to commissioning numerous other new engine facilities around the world have and will be announced and completed, like the most recent, VW group's in Mexico, just last week, or even near-bankrupt GM Europe's new engine plant in Hungary, to supply its new small family engine. Why the extraordinarily long time with JLR?

As to what this factory will build when, if it ever opens, how can you trust a company that declares the 2 litre, 4 cylinder petrol engine just put in the 2013 model years XF and XJ, as 'a new Jaguar engine', when everyone and his dog knows it is a Ford EcoBoost, like what goes in the Mondeo, Fusion and Escape, and is made in Ford's Valencia plant, just installed logitudinally for the first time?

Sorry, mate, don't believe the continual BS out of Mr Hallmark/Gaydon.

[GroundEffect]

benzpassion said:

Without the F-type as a sucess in the US, Jaguar as a brand is finished. The new Corvette is already an assured massive hit. Ergo, the F-type is almost certain to suffer, and hence Jag go bang. Too simple for you?

You need to get with the times. China is where Jag are going and making big bucks.

[Civpilot]

Baryonyx said:

Hyundai got there first!

http://www.specsavers.co.uk/book-an-appointment/

[RacerMike]

benzpassion said:

Haven't a clue what you're on/on about, fella. I'm an engineer(Ingenieur/C.Eng., not 'washing machine engineer'), so I wouldn't be working/worked at 'Jaguar', would I, which was rather my point, as Jag/JLR's schtick is PR, not real, fantastic engineering, like what the good ole boys at Detroit pulled out with this marvellous Stingray product.

So Mr Ingenieur/C.Eng. Care to detail quite what it is you do that makes you so above working at a modern, forward thinking engineering company that is one of the largest employers of engineers in the UK and has invested millions in the development of new technologies? Or is it actually that you do have some kind of personal issue with JLR? I would have thought someone capable of acheiving a degree in engineering would have the intelligence/interest to have noticed all the recent engineering achievements and genuine investment the company has managed in the last 24-36 months.

Yours sincerly,

Racer Mike
MEng(Hons) AMIMechE

[PascalBuyens]

Can you two get a room???

[AlexKing]

benzpassion said:

so that'll be the now notorious 'i54' vapourware factory, that was first splash-announced to the UK media's lackeys way back in April 2011; officially re-announced by deputy Clegg, no less, in Sep. 2011; and to date, almost two years after the initial announcement, has not proceeded beyond the structural metalwork phase of construction, and only '2014' is incredibly vaguely stated as an opening date?

Er, doesn't this precisely prove my point about JLR being all about BS?

In that time period of three years from announcement to commissioning numerous other new engine facilities around the world have and will be announced and completed, like the most recent, VW group's in Mexico, just last week, or even near-bankrupt GM Europe's new engine plant in Hungary, to supply its new small family engine. Why the extraordinarily long time with JLR?

As to what this factory will build when, if it ever opens, how can you trust a company that declares the 2 litre, 4 cylinder petrol engine just put in the 2013 model years XF and XJ, as 'a new Jaguar engine', when everyone and his dog knows it is a Ford EcoBoost, like what goes in the Mondeo, Fusion and Escape, and is made in Ford's Valencia plant, just installed logitudinally for the first time?

Sorry, mate, don't believe the continual BS out of Mr Hallmark/Gaydon.

I'm not your mate.

JLR are still a small concern compared to the likes of GM and VAG, as you have pointed out, and I can tell you that there are some people here where i live in the West Midlands who are quite grateful for the work being generated by JLR here, all through the supply chain. I'm sorry it's not fast enough for you.

Did you really join this forum just to slag JLR off in this thread? Sheesh.

[Tribal Chestnut]

Baryonyx said:

Hyundai got there first!

Where??

[RacerMike]

AlexKing said:

I'm not your mate.

JLR are still a small concern compared to the likes of GM and VAG, as you have pointed out, and I can tell you that there are some people here where i live in the West Midlands who are quite grateful for the work being generated by JLR here, all through the supply chain. I'm sorry it's not fast enough for you.

Did you really join this forum just to slag JLR off in this thread? Sheesh.

Almost every post he's made has been some kind of bizzarely snide comment about JLR....and all relating to apparent 'cynical marketing' and 'journo's who've been wooed by the PR machine of JLR'. I'm not sure where all the vitreol comes from, but it's bordering on David Icke levels of conspiracy!

[Asterix]

I'd be tempted to have a look at this when it's launched in Dubai. Haven't had a big V8 Sports car yet (a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Nissan Pathfinder with V8s don't count).

[V8 FOU]

PascalBuyens said:

Can you two get a room???