RE: Alfa Romeo 4C spied testing
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There's too much metal (or possibly carbon fibre) above the front wheels and the shoulder line is too high as it approaches the cabin. it could look really delicate and swoopy if that was sorted out, but as it is it looks like an Elise that ate too many pies and the Elise was hardly a pretty car to begin with.
The bonnet line and front overhang makes it look almost as if it has been designed to take a front-mounted transverse engine.
The bonnet line and front overhang makes it look almost as if it has been designed to take a front-mounted transverse engine.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 16th January 23:08
Got a call last night from someone at Alfa and later on received my order form. I have allocation no. 10 apparently, not sure if it's with that dealer or nationally.
I've got my car up for sale at the moment and given future plans a 2 seater sports car is the last thing we need....but......that's a conversation with my wife that I'm really looking forward to.
I've got my car up for sale at the moment and given future plans a 2 seater sports car is the last thing we need....but......that's a conversation with my wife that I'm really looking forward to.
kambites said:
There's too much metal (or possibly carbon fibre) above the front wheels and the shoulder line is too high as it approaches the cabin. it could look really delicate and swoopy if that was sorted out, but as it is it looks like an Elise that ate too many pies and the Elise was hardly a pretty car to begin with.
The bonnet line and front overhang makes it look almost as if it has been designed to take a front-mounted transverse engine.
There isnt Kam. Looks wise this thing is beyond pretty much dispute. It blows everything else small and coupeish out of the water, mid or front engined. Its in a different league to everything else out there. Its looks are in no way shape or form its problem.The bonnet line and front overhang makes it look almost as if it has been designed to take a front-mounted transverse engine.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 16th January 23:08
Its how Alfa are going to manage to f
k it up thats the problem. In the Uk this thing will not come in under £40k. The odds are it will be £45k and the odds say that will be 260ish PS with a GTA at 300 ponies and £55k.That is a hell of an ask, the same one Lotus are targetting with the V6 Exige, but that is packing 350 ponies from the start. The Alfa will be selling on its looks alone.
I think someone else on here posted it, but it was spot on.
Basically, you wont get BOTH a carbon tub and a shexy engine for 50 grand.
Basically to get the price down this far, you have to settle for less of a bespoke engine effort.
the 1750 CCM engine might not make your eyes well up, but it does the job and if you can get a sub-1000 kilo CT-frame car
for the pricepoint targetted, then thats a very fair tradeup.
And with a turbocharged engine who is very tunable, I can see this car go like shi.t off the proverbial...
Imagine a stage-2 kit from Aftermarket tuners offering 340-350 bhp in a 850 kilo car?
Cant see many if any cars keeping up with that up some twisty alps...
Basically, you wont get BOTH a carbon tub and a shexy engine for 50 grand.
Basically to get the price down this far, you have to settle for less of a bespoke engine effort.
the 1750 CCM engine might not make your eyes well up, but it does the job and if you can get a sub-1000 kilo CT-frame car
for the pricepoint targetted, then thats a very fair tradeup.
And with a turbocharged engine who is very tunable, I can see this car go like shi.t off the proverbial...
Imagine a stage-2 kit from Aftermarket tuners offering 340-350 bhp in a 850 kilo car?
Cant see many if any cars keeping up with that up some twisty alps...
pits said:
How long has it been since Alfa made a car unpleasing to the eye? 166 maybe, struggling to think of any other Alfas that are offensive to look at.
Just stunning.
Indeed, the MiTo looks akward from some angles but on the whole it looks great, as does the Giulietta. The 159 is still one of the best looking small sedans and breaks ever made imho (but I'm biased Just stunning.
). The Brera and Spider have great road presence, and a menacing face. I even like the look of the 166, not by any stretch a bad looking car imho, especially next to the competition in it's class. 156, 147, I think, for me, I'd have to look before those (155 & 145) to find something that isn't looking great.DJRC said:
Looks wise this thing is beyond pretty much dispute. It blows everything else small and coupeish out of the water, mid or front engined. Its in a different league to everything else out there. Its looks are in no way shape or form its problem.
Each to their own. I personally think it looks worse overall than the Exige, and I'm not particularly keen on the Exige's looks. If it's better looking than most small coupes out there, it's only because the other small coupes out there are awful.
ZesPak said:
kambites said:
Brera. There haven't been many though. 
Like I posted earlier, the brera is very wide and imho has a lot of road presence. Too bad it's a mortally unpractical car, FWD and overpriced, otherwise I'd have one in a heartbeat.Don't forget what it's competing with:
Possibly the worst looking Alfa since the Arna, IMO. Such a shame because the original concept was stunning, not that they really shared anything except the name and a few little styling cues.
ETA: I don't think this (the 4C) is ugly though, just a bit shapeless and blobby.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 17th January 09:10
C36 Nico said:
Imagine a stage-2 kit from Aftermarket tuners offering 340-350 bhp in a 850 kilo car?
It'd be great but I doubt it'd very reliable. This is the power that was extracted out of a 1.8T in a Formula Palmer Audi race car up to 3 years ago, but only in "push to pass" mode, as it was 300hp as standard. The engine was (eventually) very reliable but used in low mileage / high maintenance race environment, with proper warm ups and cool down procedures and bespoke cooling. Added cooling in the mid-engine Alfa would be a bit of a challenge. I can't see that kind of bhp/litre working on a road car but I am no engineer.nickfrog said:
C36 Nico said:
Imagine a stage-2 kit from Aftermarket tuners offering 340-350 bhp in a 850 kilo car?
It'd be great but I doubt it'd very reliable. This is the power that was extracted out of a 1.8T in a Formula Palmer Audi race car up to 3 years ago, but only in "push to pass" mode, as it was 300hp as standard. The engine was (eventually) very reliable but used in low mileage / high maintenance race environment, with proper warm ups and cool down procedures. I can't see that kind of bhp/litre working on a road car but I am no engineer.kambites said:
DJRC said:
Looks wise this thing is beyond pretty much dispute. It blows everything else small and coupeish out of the water, mid or front engined. Its in a different league to everything else out there. Its looks are in no way shape or form its problem.
Each to their own. I personally think it looks worse overall than the Exige, and I'm not particularly keen on the Exige's looks. If it's better looking than most small coupes out there, it's only because the other small coupes out there are awful.
Reminds me of the Fiat Coupe, some great detailing and a great idea, but in reality the proportioning was all wrong and it became a mass of lovely details rather than a homegeonous beauty.
The 4C treads a path between a Lotus an a Mito...aesthetcially it's marmite (which is no bad thing!
)...as for pricing and weight and stuff, I can't wait to see and read aboutt he truth...nickfrog said:
It'd be great but I doubt it'd very reliable. This is the power that was extracted out of a 1.8T in a Formula Palmer Audi race car up to 3 years ago, but only in "push to pass" mode, as it was 300hp as standard. The engine was (eventually) very reliable but used in low mileage / high maintenance race environment, with proper warm ups and cool down procedures and bespoke cooling. Added cooling in the mid-engine Alfa would be a bit of a challenge. I can't see that kind of bhp/litre working on a road car but I am no engineer.
The Audi TT RS has 335 bhp stock, aftermarket tuners are offering 430-500 bhp stage tunings...If this is 250-300bhp as standard, 350 should be no problem.
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