RE: Jaguar F-Type versus Porsche 911
Discussion
benzpassion said:
Ooh look, the nice man is trying to get a heretic to the JLR religion banned, without of course coming out and saying so directly - what a wonderful weaselly skill.
Soz pal, contrary to the view peddled here, there are many more than myself who see through the Tata/JLR BS facade. Take a look at the investment analysts putting Tata Motors on negative watch or outright downgrade for one, since last week. Are they off their rockers, living on another planet too?
The world's changed, people, even since the now comparatively halcyon days of 2011, when the 'Emperor's New Clothes' Evoque was launched, and saved JLR's bacon. After all the scandals of 'The Great and the Good' ordinary folk are less trusting of PR/overt propaganda generally. Plus, fuel prices are headed back over $4/gal in the US and towards £7/€9/gal in UK and Europe. Even the most doltish airhead is thinking twice over buying a gas guzzling £40k Evoque or old wine in new bottles $80k F-type, or most liable to breakdown, lucky to see 250 miles between refills $100k R/Rover, when the world economy's in the toilet. Just the facts.
I thought I was being quite direct? If it was all about 'facts' and if everybody cared about fuel economy we would all be in Polo bluemotions. Get over it, it's not all about facts and figures if that was the case nobody would buy the current Discovery or previous shape Rangie but people did and still do, even though the Disco weighs as much as a detached house, has dreadful fuel economy and ain't exactly cheap; plenty of people still buy them. I know, I know you don't have to tell me, all idiots who have been drawn in the JLR PR machineSoz pal, contrary to the view peddled here, there are many more than myself who see through the Tata/JLR BS facade. Take a look at the investment analysts putting Tata Motors on negative watch or outright downgrade for one, since last week. Are they off their rockers, living on another planet too?
The world's changed, people, even since the now comparatively halcyon days of 2011, when the 'Emperor's New Clothes' Evoque was launched, and saved JLR's bacon. After all the scandals of 'The Great and the Good' ordinary folk are less trusting of PR/overt propaganda generally. Plus, fuel prices are headed back over $4/gal in the US and towards £7/€9/gal in UK and Europe. Even the most doltish airhead is thinking twice over buying a gas guzzling £40k Evoque or old wine in new bottles $80k F-type, or most liable to breakdown, lucky to see 250 miles between refills $100k R/Rover, when the world economy's in the toilet. Just the facts.
Edited by benzpassion on Monday 18th February 15:43
nickfrog said:
benzpassion said:
Ooh look, the nice man is trying to get a heretic to the JLR religion banned, without of course coming out and saying so directly
I will come out and say it directly : you're mental.He reminds of me of Dennis Hopper in Speed. If I was driving a new Range Rover right now, I'd be bloody hesitant to drive over 50mph.. and it's not the NCAP I'm worried about, more the MENCAP.
new Range Rover scored a maximum 5 stars with 91% for occupant safety
Adult occupant
The Range Rover remained stable in the frontal impact. Dummy readings indicated good protection of the knees and femurs of both front seat occupants. Range Rover showed that a similar level of protection would be available to occupants of different sizes and to those sat in different positions. Protection of the passenger dummy was good in all areas in the frontal test. In the side barrier test, maximum points were scored with every body region being well protected. In the more severe side pole test, dummy readings of rib compression indicated marginal protection of the chest, with good protection of other body regions. The seat and head restraint provided marginal protection against whiplash injuries in the event of a rear-end collision.
..err not quite what I'd term dangerous
Adult occupant
The Range Rover remained stable in the frontal impact. Dummy readings indicated good protection of the knees and femurs of both front seat occupants. Range Rover showed that a similar level of protection would be available to occupants of different sizes and to those sat in different positions. Protection of the passenger dummy was good in all areas in the frontal test. In the side barrier test, maximum points were scored with every body region being well protected. In the more severe side pole test, dummy readings of rib compression indicated marginal protection of the chest, with good protection of other body regions. The seat and head restraint provided marginal protection against whiplash injuries in the event of a rear-end collision.
..err not quite what I'd term dangerous
benzpassion said:
Just the facts.
Oh, the hyperbole !Edited by benzpassion on Monday 18th February 15:43
A little tip: I have no vested interest, no particular love for JLR other than liking the idea of how they keep several thousand British families with food on the table, but you if you have a valid point to make, you should learn how to communicate.
Every post from you about JLR comes across as the rantings of an inarticulate, bitter and twisted nutter.
Take a breath, ease off the hyperbole and the bubbling, furious, deranged, Ted Bundy-style hatred. If you did this, people here may listen to you more.
As it is right now, you come across as someone most people would cross the road to avoid. Are the voices in your head making you behave this way?
pilchardthecat said:
I don't mind admitting to being a little cynical myself about the sacred cow that is JLR in the British media. There is overt favouritism in my opinion.
Cynical is fine. Bats
t insane angry enough at JLR go out of your way to slate them is another. The username makes his approach somewhat less subtle though.He probably came across a little intense in the interview for the job he didn't get.
As someone mentioned earlier, a Boxster S is all the performance you will ever need in reality, and IMHO this new Jag does not seem to have what it takes in looks and surely thats what counts in the end the visual pleasure. I think it will go the same way as many other jags and lose value and appeal quite quickly, E type excepted of course, although I remember them being relatively undesirable many years ago if only for a short period. I don't Porsche have anything to worry about, but I think JLR do.Mike
toppstuff said:
Oh, the hyperbole !
A little tip: I have no vested interest, no particular love for JLR other than liking the idea of how they keep several thousand British families with food on the table, but you if you have a valid point to make, you should learn how to communicate.
Every post from you about JLR comes across as the rantings of an inarticulate, bitter and twisted nutter.
Take a breath, ease off the hyperbole and the bubbling, furious, deranged, Ted Bundy-style hatred. If you did this, people here may listen to you more.
As it is right now, you come across as someone most people would cross the road to avoid. Are the voices in your head making you behave this way?
Lol, I can just see the word association test now..A little tip: I have no vested interest, no particular love for JLR other than liking the idea of how they keep several thousand British families with food on the table, but you if you have a valid point to make, you should learn how to communicate.
Every post from you about JLR comes across as the rantings of an inarticulate, bitter and twisted nutter.
Take a breath, ease off the hyperbole and the bubbling, furious, deranged, Ted Bundy-style hatred. If you did this, people here may listen to you more.
As it is right now, you come across as someone most people would cross the road to avoid. Are the voices in your head making you behave this way?
Grass.. Green
Girl.. Boy
Chicken.. Egg
Land Rover.. exterminate! exterminate!
PaulMoor said:
I realy don't get this. Yes, for many people the seats are needed. For many others (i.e. anyone who dose not have 1 or 2 children between the ages of 4 & 14) they are an annoyance that takes away from boot space. If you want the two seats, fine, an F-Type is not for you. Dosn't mean that it's a poor choice for everyone. Many people will like the lack of (for them) pointless rear seats.
point was originally that the lack of rear seats would - for many people - rule it out as a direct competitor for the 911. course it won't be that way for everyone, but my gut feel is that it'll be a big issue for a sizeable portion of the potential market. Chaps at work often ask me for car advice (being the resident petrol head), and when you get requirements of what they're looking for - with a budget in the 50-80 bracket, a need for something quick, fun, keep the wife happy and can chuck the kids in the back... not many choices outside the 911. maybe my view is skewed a little by the people i work with being a similar demographic, but all opinions here at the end of the day, innit? Either way you will still...
Buy the Porsche because you are a fanboy.
Buy the Jaguar because you are a fanboy.
For me if you want to buy the same looking car from the previous years, that's fine you stick with the same car. I want the Jag and nothing will change my mind no matter how good the Porsche is!
Buy the Porsche because you are a fanboy.
Buy the Jaguar because you are a fanboy.
For me if you want to buy the same looking car from the previous years, that's fine you stick with the same car. I want the Jag and nothing will change my mind no matter how good the Porsche is!
Devil2575 said:
ZesPak said:
Bedazzled said:
What an ugly duckling, it looks like a Nissan and the exhaust note shouts new money like a R8; and they haven't even dared show the rear view in the article! 
How many cars though have been touted as a 911 beater and simply failed.
I remember JC waxing lyrical about the AM V8 and how it was going to steal the 911s crown.
How many of them do you see on the roads?
other views just make it look like a fat MX5 - looks like a car that needs about 3 more design iterations before a sign off. Close, but not quite - considering the name and some of the tantalizing concepts of the 80s (or were they 90s?), overall looks disappoint.
MyCC said:
I think we should all look at this as a cheap V8 Vantage, it has the looks and the noise but is much much cheaper.
I completely agree - it's more modern and (in my eyes) better looking than the Vantage. Not to mention that the top models should have excellent drivetrains and be able to see off an M3. Even the interior looks better to boot.cidered77 said:
Chaps at work often ask me for car advice (being the resident petrol head), and when you get requirements of what they're looking for - with a budget in the 50-80 bracket, a need for something quick, fun, keep the wife happy and can chuck the kids in the back... not many choices outside the 911.
:cough: Evora :cough:LaurasOtherHalf said:
whoami said:
kambites said:
For me, the rear seats are a fundamental part of the 911's reason for existence, so this will never be a true 911 competitor.
Why would you care about rear seats on a 911?They are pretty much unusable.
i wouldn't want (or ask) a fully grown adult to do a long journey in the back but it is possible, especially for short journeys etc. plus the fact you can fit child seats in there, suitcases when they're folded flat (using the ingenious seat belts as restrainers for luggage).
the beauty of a 911 is that it's a practical sports car that can do so many things.
as long as the engines hold together.........
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