RE: BMW M3 farewell diary
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Wills2 said:
Rudeboy350Z said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Wills2 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Wills2 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I was happy I got to own a E92 M3 & long term I can see it being missed by many...it wasn't without flaws in my opinion though.
Cerb, would you like a new record? 
Deep said:
cerb4.5lee said:
It seems crazy to suggest that over 400bhp struggles with the weight of the car but that will always be a lasting memory for me & on many occasions I genuinely thought the engine struggled with the weight & that seems mad & maybe I need help!!
I have to agree. I test drove one about two and a half years ago. It felt underpowered, the engine was very 'peaky'I drove a C63 AMG a day later and that engine felt far more muscular with a more uniform and useable power band. The M3 also had very poor steering feel. All in all it did not feel like a very special car.
Like several posters in this thread, I did not at first "get" the E92 M3.
It is a classic "slow burner" in my opinion, mainly due to its dual personality. Relaxed and refined, especially if the idiot salesman leaves the throttle sensitivity in "normal" mode, when the engine can feel quite flat. The refined unstressed nature of the engine deceives and also driving low mileage demonstrators means that you are getting a lot less power and torque than you would be getting when the engine matures, beyond 10k miles.
My first one (built at the end of 2007) also got much much better in the mid range after a software update early in 2009.
But the real problem is that you cannot fully appreciate it if you only drive on public roads, at sensible-ish speeds. Only when you take it onto a challenging track - the Nurburgring for example - can you really extend it and savour the brilliant chassis. So benign and confidence inspiring but such a hoot if you turn of the TC and let the back end do some of the steering.
The engine is an un-repeatable masterpiece, with its completely unstressed nature combined with bonkers top-end performance. And I simply do not understand this "no torque" business, as it pulls much harder than an E46 M3 all the way from 2500rpm. And I believe that the M4's low end torque will become boring as most users will live in that zone from 2000 to 4000 rpm, so it just becomes the easily accessible norm. There will be no thrill at the top end to compensate.
And I enjoy mine regardless of how hard I am driving it, thanks to the razor sharp throttle response and sublime noise, whatever the revs or throttle opening. No turbo engine can compete with these qualities.
Any complaints about lack of involvement versus the E46 M3 are thoroughly addressed by the Competition Pack E92, without losing the refinement/cruising benefits of the E92.
Even now - 6.5 years after introduction - I get frequent unsolicited compliments about the car, and can think of so many times when car-loads of "lads" have come alongside in traffic to ogle it. Even been followed into autoroute services by some French petrol-heads for a closer look.
At the moment, I do not know what I could replace my current (Comp Pack) car with, at reasonably sensible money. The only thing that interests me is the 991 C2S…..and its not sensible money anymore.
Who cares about 20 - 24mpg. Its worth it.
It is a classic "slow burner" in my opinion, mainly due to its dual personality. Relaxed and refined, especially if the idiot salesman leaves the throttle sensitivity in "normal" mode, when the engine can feel quite flat. The refined unstressed nature of the engine deceives and also driving low mileage demonstrators means that you are getting a lot less power and torque than you would be getting when the engine matures, beyond 10k miles.
My first one (built at the end of 2007) also got much much better in the mid range after a software update early in 2009.
But the real problem is that you cannot fully appreciate it if you only drive on public roads, at sensible-ish speeds. Only when you take it onto a challenging track - the Nurburgring for example - can you really extend it and savour the brilliant chassis. So benign and confidence inspiring but such a hoot if you turn of the TC and let the back end do some of the steering.
The engine is an un-repeatable masterpiece, with its completely unstressed nature combined with bonkers top-end performance. And I simply do not understand this "no torque" business, as it pulls much harder than an E46 M3 all the way from 2500rpm. And I believe that the M4's low end torque will become boring as most users will live in that zone from 2000 to 4000 rpm, so it just becomes the easily accessible norm. There will be no thrill at the top end to compensate.
And I enjoy mine regardless of how hard I am driving it, thanks to the razor sharp throttle response and sublime noise, whatever the revs or throttle opening. No turbo engine can compete with these qualities.
Any complaints about lack of involvement versus the E46 M3 are thoroughly addressed by the Competition Pack E92, without losing the refinement/cruising benefits of the E92.
Even now - 6.5 years after introduction - I get frequent unsolicited compliments about the car, and can think of so many times when car-loads of "lads" have come alongside in traffic to ogle it. Even been followed into autoroute services by some French petrol-heads for a closer look.
At the moment, I do not know what I could replace my current (Comp Pack) car with, at reasonably sensible money. The only thing that interests me is the 991 C2S…..and its not sensible money anymore.
Who cares about 20 - 24mpg. Its worth it.
Tony B2 said:
Like several posters in this thread, I did not at first "get" the E92 M3.
But the real problem is that you cannot fully appreciate it if you only drive on public roads, at sensible-ish speeds. Only when you take it onto a challenging track - the Nurburgring for example - can you really extend it and savour the brilliant chassis. So benign and confidence inspiring but such a hoot if you turn of the TC and let the back end do some of the steering.
Who cares about 20 - 24mpg. Its worth it.
For me it's been one of the most impressive cars I have owned at 100mph plus as it just keeps pulling & I loved how playful it was with the TC off & it's very controllable to slide & I respect it for that loads. But the real problem is that you cannot fully appreciate it if you only drive on public roads, at sensible-ish speeds. Only when you take it onto a challenging track - the Nurburgring for example - can you really extend it and savour the brilliant chassis. So benign and confidence inspiring but such a hoot if you turn of the TC and let the back end do some of the steering.
Who cares about 20 - 24mpg. Its worth it.
The problem for me was within 4 weeks of owning it as my daily I started to dislike it & I only hated it more as the months went on as it was very hard to exploit its potential on the road & I did try hard & I genuinely touched 120 everyday that I owned it, but on a track I think it would be at home for certain if you enjoy taking a car that weighs around 1600kg on a track but for me I would find more reward in something lighter.
If you get 20 - 24 mpg out of it then fair play...I never got anywhere near that.
cerb4.5lee said:
For me it's been one of the most impressive cars I have owned at 100mph plus as it just keeps pulling & I loved how playful it was with the TC off & it's very controllable to slide & I respect it for that loads.
The problem for me was within 4 weeks of owning it as my daily I started to dislike it & I only hated it more as the months went on as it was very hard to exploit its potential on the road & I did try hard & I genuinely touched 120 everyday that I owned it,
& that's an issue too in this environmentThe problem for me was within 4 weeks of owning it as my daily I started to dislike it & I only hated it more as the months went on as it was very hard to exploit its potential on the road & I did try hard & I genuinely touched 120 everyday that I owned it,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...
Mermaid said:
& that's an issue too in this environment
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...
That's why i am pleased in many ways that I have sold it now & I don't have have to worry about stuff like that anymore as my 330i hasn't enough power to pull the skin off a rice pudding & I am happy to realise that my fun days are finally over, i have gone steady at last...but it was fun while it lasted. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...
I am now more interested in chasing the best mpg figures I can get...I will hand my PH card in on my way out! even the mrs said to me today why are you driving so slow & I said I drive for economy now so it just shows we all get sensible with age sadly!...just don't expect me to put up with a 4 pot diesel anytime soon though!
I recently moved from a Focus RS (white) I'm not the Focus RS in the video at 144mph 
For me after my knee op at the good old age of 23 I felt I needed an auto. But I still wanted something that pulls.
Now I totally understand the "but its too fast on our roads". Yea but like everything else there is a time and a place to do that and for me its 20mins from me at Knockhill. Once its off the track, its my toy from when I'm home from offshore. Its my pride and joy, the joy of the auto blip when downshifting or when your caught out by heavy rain and end up just a wee drift going around the roundabout coming home at 3am.
Ooo and 400bhp for the m3 is plenty. If you think its underpowered then seriously go to the hospital. You want to know underpowered try driving a Matiz. The former work gave it to me as a hire car to drive from Aberdeen to Bristol and back with 3 guys in the car. Thats a underpowered car. It never made it back as the engine stopped just south of Manchester.
That engine enjoys to be rev'ed just like a vtec engine. It needs the driver to be switched on and in the lowest gear possible. Not like the C63 that just pulls at the lower rev. For me it was too lazy, felt big and heavy. That might be the car for me when I'm in my 50's but I like to be involved with the dive.
For me after my knee op at the good old age of 23 I felt I needed an auto. But I still wanted something that pulls.
Now I totally understand the "but its too fast on our roads". Yea but like everything else there is a time and a place to do that and for me its 20mins from me at Knockhill. Once its off the track, its my toy from when I'm home from offshore. Its my pride and joy, the joy of the auto blip when downshifting or when your caught out by heavy rain and end up just a wee drift going around the roundabout coming home at 3am.
Ooo and 400bhp for the m3 is plenty. If you think its underpowered then seriously go to the hospital. You want to know underpowered try driving a Matiz. The former work gave it to me as a hire car to drive from Aberdeen to Bristol and back with 3 guys in the car. Thats a underpowered car. It never made it back as the engine stopped just south of Manchester.
That engine enjoys to be rev'ed just like a vtec engine. It needs the driver to be switched on and in the lowest gear possible. Not like the C63 that just pulls at the lower rev. For me it was too lazy, felt big and heavy. That might be the car for me when I'm in my 50's but I like to be involved with the dive.
cerb4.5lee said:
That's why i am pleased in many ways that I have sold it now & I don't have have to worry about stuff like that anymore as my 330i hasn't enough power to pull the skin off a rice pudding & I am happy to realise that my fun days are finally over, i have gone steady at last...but it was fun while it lasted.
I am now more interested in chasing the best mpg figures I can get...I will hand my PH card in on my way out! even the mrs said to me today why are you driving so slow & I said I drive for economy now so it just shows we all get sensible with age sadly!...just don't expect me to put up with a 4 pot diesel anytime soon though!
Granted it's in a totally different league to the M3 but that's quite far removed from reality. I am now more interested in chasing the best mpg figures I can get...I will hand my PH card in on my way out! even the mrs said to me today why are you driving so slow & I said I drive for economy now so it just shows we all get sensible with age sadly!...just don't expect me to put up with a 4 pot diesel anytime soon though!
Mermaid said:
cerb4.5lee said:
For me it's been one of the most impressive cars I have owned at 100mph plus as it just keeps pulling & I loved how playful it was with the TC off & it's very controllable to slide & I respect it for that loads.
The problem for me was within 4 weeks of owning it as my daily I started to dislike it & I only hated it more as the months went on as it was very hard to exploit its potential on the road & I did try hard & I genuinely touched 120 everyday that I owned it,
& that's an issue too in this environmentThe problem for me was within 4 weeks of owning it as my daily I started to dislike it & I only hated it more as the months went on as it was very hard to exploit its potential on the road & I did try hard & I genuinely touched 120 everyday that I owned it,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...
Anyway... I've driven a manual M3 and loved every minute of it. I see quite a few of them around my way. A mixture of saloons, convertibles and coupes. Some of them sound absolutely incredible.
Patrick Bateman said:
cerb4.5lee said:
That's why i am pleased in many ways that I have sold it now & I don't have have to worry about stuff like that anymore as my 330i hasn't enough power to pull the skin off a rice pudding & I am happy to realise that my fun days are finally over, i have gone steady at last...but it was fun while it lasted.
I am now more interested in chasing the best mpg figures I can get...I will hand my PH card in on my way out! even the mrs said to me today why are you driving so slow & I said I drive for economy now so it just shows we all get sensible with age sadly!...just don't expect me to put up with a 4 pot diesel anytime soon though!
Granted it's in a totally different league to the M3 but that's quite far removed from reality. I am now more interested in chasing the best mpg figures I can get...I will hand my PH card in on my way out! even the mrs said to me today why are you driving so slow & I said I drive for economy now so it just shows we all get sensible with age sadly!...just don't expect me to put up with a 4 pot diesel anytime soon though!
I just enjoy the comfy drive now & at least if I need to overtake there is some power there just in case but I bought it knowing full well its an old mans steady motor & I like the way it drives very much but I just wished it didn't look quite so uninspiring.
Dan Trent said:
joedesi said:
Anyone know what pad/disc setup the Palmer sport M3s use?
Not sure on the pads or discs but I can tell you they run AP six-pots up front and four-pots at the back!Cheers,
Dan
Polarbert said:
Mermaid said:
cerb4.5lee said:
For me it's been one of the most impressive cars I have owned at 100mph plus as it just keeps pulling & I loved how playful it was with the TC off & it's very controllable to slide & I respect it for that loads.
The problem for me was within 4 weeks of owning it as my daily I started to dislike it & I only hated it more as the months went on as it was very hard to exploit its potential on the road & I did try hard & I genuinely touched 120 everyday that I owned it,
& that's an issue too in this environmentThe problem for me was within 4 weeks of owning it as my daily I started to dislike it & I only hated it more as the months went on as it was very hard to exploit its potential on the road & I did try hard & I genuinely touched 120 everyday that I owned it,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...
Zwolf said:
The convertibles are quite porky at between the weight of an M5 saloon and estate, almost quarter of a tonne heavier than the coupé and comparable with other bigger BMWs:
E93 M3 DCT: 1,905 kg
E92 M3 Coupé: 1,675 kg
E90 M3 DCT Saloon: 1,700 kg
E60 M5 Saloon: 1,830 kg
E61 M5 Touring: 1,955 kg
E65 745i: 1,945 kg
Where are you getting these stats from? Brochure states 1580Kg for the Coupe.E93 M3 DCT: 1,905 kg
E92 M3 Coupé: 1,675 kg
E90 M3 DCT Saloon: 1,700 kg
E60 M5 Saloon: 1,830 kg
E61 M5 Touring: 1,955 kg
E65 745i: 1,945 kg
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