RE: Google's car is go...
Discussion
EMoore said:
This is a good idea in congested cities.
However.
If these automated cars are taken out of the city they will have to do more than 25mph at some point. This means if they crash, people will get hurt, possibly killed. Personally, I want to be in control of my own fate. Dying because Google malfunctioned is a bit annoying.
But then this is the main point. People die on the roads currently because a lot of people are bad at driving, because they have no interest in it. These autonomous cars provide a solution in the sense that these drivers can now not be in charge, "read the paper" so to speak and complain about everything else.
Also, anyone else feel that they don't want Google controlling every aspect of their lives?
To help with congestion, I can see 'congestion violations' if you think you can avoid paying for parking by just having the vehicle drive around on its own for a while. Maybe they just won't work without someone sitting in them.However.
If these automated cars are taken out of the city they will have to do more than 25mph at some point. This means if they crash, people will get hurt, possibly killed. Personally, I want to be in control of my own fate. Dying because Google malfunctioned is a bit annoying.
But then this is the main point. People die on the roads currently because a lot of people are bad at driving, because they have no interest in it. These autonomous cars provide a solution in the sense that these drivers can now not be in charge, "read the paper" so to speak and complain about everything else.
Also, anyone else feel that they don't want Google controlling every aspect of their lives?
The max speed may stay low for a while, at least in cities. A car can stop really quickly when going no more than 25 mph. Therefore, it wouldn't have to do nearly as much preemptive braking like it will have to when it is going faster.
The exception is traveling on interstates with one-way traffic at higher speeds. That actually seems like an easier transition for these things than speeding up within a city.
LOW4LYFE said:
That's my point though, does this Google Car actually have all this technology? The article didn't go into much detail about exactly how it works or what it's currently capable of.
I think the Google car is mostly based around sensors and detection of obstacles, but if they were to start producing these, I'd be surprised if they weren't able to communicate in some way.AnotherClarkey said:
The BBC just dragged Quentin Wilson out for an opinion on the news and spouted some guff like "of course they will have to use special lanes separate from other traffic". I think it just highlights that how far out of touch most people are with the state of the art in this field - Googlified cars have been driving around on the public road and mixing happily with normal traffic in several states for some time with an excellent safety record.
This technology is coming much quicker than most people think.
Very true. Quentin Wilson knows absolutely nothing abut the subject if that's what he thinks.This technology is coming much quicker than most people think.
It all well and good in a parking lot. But throw in some BMW drivers and it will be mayhem out on the open road surely?
Personally I think it needs to be all or nothing, i.e a whole city with driver less cars or a whole city without driver less cars.
They'd be better scrapping this idea and in cities just banning you using your own cars and taking the streets over with fleets of taxis or doing public transport properly. At least that way we could keep a few jobs for the drivers and have a bit of interaction with people. Why do we need vehicles going round with no f
ker driving them - when we have lots of people who want to drive them.
Personally I feel like its more of a product/solution for a problem that doesn't really exist. I hope it doesn't catch on. Whats going to happen next? tell me I cant control my bike and install an auto pilot and motor on that too.
Personally I think it needs to be all or nothing, i.e a whole city with driver less cars or a whole city without driver less cars.
They'd be better scrapping this idea and in cities just banning you using your own cars and taking the streets over with fleets of taxis or doing public transport properly. At least that way we could keep a few jobs for the drivers and have a bit of interaction with people. Why do we need vehicles going round with no f
ker driving them - when we have lots of people who want to drive them. Personally I feel like its more of a product/solution for a problem that doesn't really exist. I hope it doesn't catch on. Whats going to happen next? tell me I cant control my bike and install an auto pilot and motor on that too.
russy01 said:
Personally I think it needs to be all or nothing, i.e a whole city with driver less cars or a whole city without driver less cars.
Maybe Google will get into building cities? (or at least towns) - that have only driverless cars (so fewer variables) to really try out the technology. Might work in some areas of the US.Edited by Vaud on Wednesday 28th May 22:10
I don't buy the "it will be too hard to regulate/insure" argument. Surely a system that would document every move and decision a car made would be easier to insure than having hairless monkeys driving around like maniacs.
It will certainly take some adjustments, as it is entirely new, but I don't see why driverless cars would be harder to regulate.
It will certainly take some adjustments, as it is entirely new, but I don't see why driverless cars would be harder to regulate.
russy01 said:
It all well and good in a parking lot. But throw in some BMW drivers and it will be mayhem out on the open road surely?
Personally I think it needs to be all or nothing, i.e a whole city with driver less cars or a whole city without driver less cars.
They'd be better scrapping this idea and in cities just banning you using your own cars and taking the streets over with fleets of taxis or doing public transport properly. At least that way we could keep a few jobs for the drivers and have a bit of interaction with people. Why do we need vehicles going round with no fker driving them - when we have lots of people who want to drive them.
Personally I feel like its more of a product/solution for a problem that doesn't really exist. I hope it doesn't catch on. Whats going to happen next? tell me I cant control my bike and install an auto pilot and motor on that too.
They already have them driving about in San Francisco and various other Californian cities (and ones in Nevada) -- google have already had the law changed to permit their testing in those states (and a few others).Personally I think it needs to be all or nothing, i.e a whole city with driver less cars or a whole city without driver less cars.
They'd be better scrapping this idea and in cities just banning you using your own cars and taking the streets over with fleets of taxis or doing public transport properly. At least that way we could keep a few jobs for the drivers and have a bit of interaction with people. Why do we need vehicles going round with no f
ker driving them - when we have lots of people who want to drive them. Personally I feel like its more of a product/solution for a problem that doesn't really exist. I hope it doesn't catch on. Whats going to happen next? tell me I cant control my bike and install an auto pilot and motor on that too.
No mayhem, and their driving is safer than the average American already.
Soupie69uk said:
The end of taxi drivers?
For most people this would be amazing. As someone said you could just get dropped off and the car can go park miles away then pick you up later.
Sometimes when in stop start traffic it would be better to just flick into auto pilot and you can check emails or read the paper.
Yes, the end of taxi and limo drivers.For most people this would be amazing. As someone said you could just get dropped off and the car can go park miles away then pick you up later.
Sometimes when in stop start traffic it would be better to just flick into auto pilot and you can check emails or read the paper.
The end of van and truck drivers.
The end of bus and coach drivers.
The end of plane and copter pilots.
If you work in those industries and are aged under 50yo, then you need to be thinking of a new career elsewhere.
The next 5 to 30 years will see an unprecedented transport revolution. Cars replaced horses in the 20th century. Computers will replace humans in the car-driver seat in the 21st century.
lamboman100 said:
Soupie69uk said:
The end of taxi drivers?
For most people this would be amazing. As someone said you could just get dropped off and the car can go park miles away then pick you up later.
Sometimes when in stop start traffic it would be better to just flick into auto pilot and you can check emails or read the paper.
Yes, the end of taxi and limo drivers.For most people this would be amazing. As someone said you could just get dropped off and the car can go park miles away then pick you up later.
Sometimes when in stop start traffic it would be better to just flick into auto pilot and you can check emails or read the paper.
The end of van and truck drivers.
The end of bus and coach drivers.
The end of plane and copter pilots.
If you work in those industries and are aged under 50yo, then you need to be thinking of a new career elsewhere.
The next 5 to 30 years will see an unprecedented transport revolution. Cars replaced horses in the 20th century. Computers will replace humans in the car-driver seat in the 21st century.
Whether that continues to be a requirement or not isn't a question of technology. In London, the DLR doesn't need a driver at all and yet it always has TFL staff on board, some of whom like "driving". The Jubilee line has the same signalling and can run automatically but it's never run like that.
I'm yet to come across a helicopter autopilot but I'm sure there is one (or there will be in my lifetime)
I'd buy one... Providing that:
The core code for safety critical systems was either open source or subject to very tight peer review to acknowledged experts in the field.
They carried extensive recording tools - so that cars driven by humans could not "crash and claim it was the Google car" - or at least reduce the risk of the blame...
Gordon Murray is hired to design one.. sounds like his brief for design.
Then I'd buy one as a second car/town car/etc. Sounds fun for bumper to bumper crawling. Sit back, listen to some music, read the paper. Worst case is a low speed shunt.
Save the fun car for weekends.
The core code for safety critical systems was either open source or subject to very tight peer review to acknowledged experts in the field.
They carried extensive recording tools - so that cars driven by humans could not "crash and claim it was the Google car" - or at least reduce the risk of the blame...
Gordon Murray is hired to design one.. sounds like his brief for design.
Then I'd buy one as a second car/town car/etc. Sounds fun for bumper to bumper crawling. Sit back, listen to some music, read the paper. Worst case is a low speed shunt.
Save the fun car for weekends.
Vaud said:
I'd buy one... Providing that:
The core code for safety critical systems was either open source or subject to very tight peer review to acknowledged experts in the field.
They carried extensive recording tools - so that cars driven by humans could not "crash and claim it was the Google car" - or at least reduce the risk of the blame...
Gordon Murray is hired to design one.. sounds like his brief for design.
Then I'd buy one as a second car/town car/etc. Sounds fun for bumper to bumper crawling. Sit back, listen to some music, read the paper. Worst case is a low speed shunt.
Save the fun car for weekends.
I'd say the worst case is it drives over a kid while thinking "sleeping policeman".The core code for safety critical systems was either open source or subject to very tight peer review to acknowledged experts in the field.
They carried extensive recording tools - so that cars driven by humans could not "crash and claim it was the Google car" - or at least reduce the risk of the blame...
Gordon Murray is hired to design one.. sounds like his brief for design.
Then I'd buy one as a second car/town car/etc. Sounds fun for bumper to bumper crawling. Sit back, listen to some music, read the paper. Worst case is a low speed shunt.
Save the fun car for weekends.
I had the same thought about Murray supplying the car design to Google. It'd be a decent fit, I recon - but then again I want him to work for Elon Musk on a Tesla too.
I would imagine that these autonomous cars would spell (largely) the end of private car ownership - why would you want to own one when you could pay for just the length of your journey, at the end of which the car would shoot off to it's next client?
This would remove the vast bulk of cars parked on the road, freeing up a huge amount of space, car-parks would no longer be required so they could all go, petrol station would be an anachronism - a few would be left by race circuits I imagine.
This would remove the vast bulk of cars parked on the road, freeing up a huge amount of space, car-parks would no longer be required so they could all go, petrol station would be an anachronism - a few would be left by race circuits I imagine.
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