RE: Aston Red Bull hypercar confirmed
Discussion
Much as I was bemoaning the red bull involvement earlier, I must say I think this thing looks fantastic. Also as others have pointed out, how the hell are they going to achieve those performance figures? I'm genuinely excited about this car. If ever put around the Nurburgring it might even be in the running for an absolute lap record. What does 20 seconds under a P1 at silverstone translate to on the 'ring?
All we need now is for Porsche and Toyota to make road going 2 seater versions of their LMP1 cars and we'll have a whole new ultra-car arms race
Audi can f
k off though, the last thing the world needs is another TDi whose driver thinks it's the fastest thing in the road.
All we need now is for Porsche and Toyota to make road going 2 seater versions of their LMP1 cars and we'll have a whole new ultra-car arms race
Audi can f
k off though, the last thing the world needs is another TDi whose driver thinks it's the fastest thing in the road.I've not met him, but do most of you really think that one of, if not the best motorsports designers would put his name to something that will not work as advertised? "You'll never get two people in there, it'll never be as fast as claimed, where can you put your shopping....... FFS, I get the fact that tastes vary, but the armchair experts are out in force to dismiss something that is a ground up design from an aerodynamic genius. Some of you absolutely beggar belief.
Max_Torque said:
Basically, what they have designed is an illegal LMP1 car.......
Have you caught Adrian Newey fiddling your Mrs or something???? Edited by Max_Torque on Tuesday 5th July 22:24
Worlds best race car designer designs what could be the most ground-breaking car since the McLaren F1 .......so why so much hate?
WestyCarl said:
Yeah I mean it's only Adrian Newey in charge, what does he know compared to the PH experts. In fact he's probably in MK now logged on and picking up design ideas and tips
Perhaps PH forums users should design the ultimate hypercar, that'd show him a thing or two?
Edited by dunc_sx on Tuesday 5th July 23:41
Edited by dunc_sx on Tuesday 5th July 23:41
RobDown said:
Damn I seem to have accidentally logged into the What Car? forum not Pistonheads judging by many of the comments above
Seriously guys; a car company wants to make a 900bhp, 900kg hypercar that might be as fast as an LMP1 and you're not in the least bit excited? Someone moaning that it wont make a good road car? Really, I mean really? Think you've all come to the wrong place
Obviously everyone will have their own reasons for maybe disliking or not getting excited about this car but here are mine.Seriously guys; a car company wants to make a 900bhp, 900kg hypercar that might be as fast as an LMP1 and you're not in the least bit excited? Someone moaning that it wont make a good road car? Really, I mean really? Think you've all come to the wrong place
I will never be able to afford this car. In fact, I'll probably never be able to afford any of the hyper cars like the P1, 918, LaFerrari, One:1 and so on, but I still dream about owning them one day like a lot of people on here probably do.
The reason this doesn't get me excited as some of the previous hyper cars, is because in my fantasy world of owning these cars I would also like to drive them on the road, the idea of a road car that probably won't be very good on the road doesn't really get my blood pumping. The reason the F1 is still the daddy of all super/hyper cars for me is because it's a road car first and foremost, and I consider that the most important thing.
I think it is unfair to label all those that don't find this car overly appealing as being on the wrong site, some of us love performance cars but are very keen of them being good road cars too. When you add to that the likes of Max_Torque (who seems to (and should) know what he is talking about going from his posting history and past employers) raising some very valid points as to why it might not be as good as RB and AM claim, I don't see why it's so hard to understand the lukewarm reception from some people.
I watched most of the live reveal today and Adrian Newey said that the track version would be faster than an LMP1 with the road version about the same. He also said their target is 1000kg.
Talking to someone who works at Aston recently he said he thought this project could financially break them as they don't have the technological capability to make the components in the materials that will be needed to meet the expectations that Newey will have. And apparently it is all to be funded by AM rather than RB - at least, that is what he said.
I love Aston Martin but can't get excited about this, possibly because of the Red Bull link. I found it very disappointing that Christian Horner managed to slag off two people in his part of the reveal (Lewis Hamilton and Ron Dennis) rather than just concentrating on the positives of what he was presenting - if it isn't good enough on its own then it isn't good enough, the sniping should not be necessary.
Talking to someone who works at Aston recently he said he thought this project could financially break them as they don't have the technological capability to make the components in the materials that will be needed to meet the expectations that Newey will have. And apparently it is all to be funded by AM rather than RB - at least, that is what he said.
I love Aston Martin but can't get excited about this, possibly because of the Red Bull link. I found it very disappointing that Christian Horner managed to slag off two people in his part of the reveal (Lewis Hamilton and Ron Dennis) rather than just concentrating on the positives of what he was presenting - if it isn't good enough on its own then it isn't good enough, the sniping should not be necessary.
These hyper-fast, aerodynamic blades are getting a bit boring now. They look the same, they're too expensive and rarely get driven.
In fact, they could save a lot of money and just develop a rolling platform and save the money on the drivetrain.
Woohoo 15 years as a member of Pistonheads!
In fact, they could save a lot of money and just develop a rolling platform and save the money on the drivetrain.
Woohoo 15 years as a member of Pistonheads!
xRIEx said:
dom9 said:
The track only car will be faster than an LMP1, which seems pretty feasible.
I haven't read anything that isn't possible.
Does it? The 919 is about 875kg and 900hp. An LMP1 has bugger all room in the cabin, so front cross sectional area is minimised. I doubt this could match an LMP1 for weight, power:weight or CdA. (Eta: well, CdA without wings may be better, but then to the detriment of corner speed.)I haven't read anything that isn't possible.
Don't get me wrong, I like it and I'm glad they're doing it (although sceptical it will happen), but I think they're exaggerating its capabilities.
Edited by xRIEx on Tuesday 5th July 17:18
Edited by xRIEx on Tuesday 5th July 17:20
This car will have 900hp al the time.
towelie said:
kambites said:
RenOHH said:
While I can see how that might work in theory, look how far inboard the floor with the yellow stripe is going. It's practically at the centre line by the time it disappears behind the body side behind the front wheel. There's nowhere for the seat cushion, let alone legs.
If you look at the images from low down, directly in front, you can see the shape of the passenger cell. It's certainly not wide, but it's probably just about wide enough for two sets of feet if you don't mind a rather offset driving position:
I'd guess looking at the pictures that interior dimension similar to, say, an Elise should be possible; albeit with the feet a good 6 inches higher.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 5th July 21:12
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
Finally, why are AML messing around with stuff like this? Spend the money on what you really need for a long term future, namely the DB11 and new Vantage. Hows about making THOSE cars class leading instead of settling for the usual "that'll do" standard??
That sums it up for me."fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
Finally, why are AML messing around with stuff like this? Spend the money on what you really need for a long term future, namely the DB11 and new Vantage. Hows about making THOSE cars class leading instead of settling for the usual "that'll do" standard??
dunc_sx said:
WestyCarl said:
Yeah I mean it's only Adrian Newey in charge, what does he know compared to the PH experts. In fact he's probably in MK now logged on and picking up design ideas and tips
Perhaps PH forums users should design the ultimate hypercar, that'd show him a thing or two?Edited by dunc_sx on Tuesday 5th July 23:41
Edited by dunc_sx on Tuesday 5th July 23:41
Megaflow said:
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
Finally, why are AML messing around with stuff like this? Spend the money on what you really need for a long term future, namely the DB11 and new Vantage. Hows about making THOSE cars class leading instead of settling for the usual "that'll do" standard??
That sums it up for me."fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
Finally, why are AML messing around with stuff like this? Spend the money on what you really need for a long term future, namely the DB11 and new Vantage. Hows about making THOSE cars class leading instead of settling for the usual "that'll do" standard??
I wonder did all those forummers who criticised the Caparo T1 get as much stick as the critics are getting here
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