RE: Super-fast for £50k | Six of the Best

[Hungrymc]

That's a great list. There will always be others that could have been included. I'm not sure a tuned 1 series is the most obvious omission (but even that is a fun car in its own way, and I'm sure the developing of it is part of the fun).

It's quite rare to see one of these articles where I really quite like them all. It's the C63S which appeals most as a usable car.

[Glenn63]

Billy_Whizzzz said:

seabod91 said:

Some really weird people on here. Getting mad that a sorted 140i would be just as quick if not faster that most of the list. Then bash said poster comparing it to the new “mapped 335d is the quickest car ever”.

This is titled “fastest for £50k”, not fastest track car, not best handling car, not fastest best spec’ed car.

I assume it’s if you line up on a 2 mile runway, what gets to the end fastest.

Anyway. For outright speed I’d be buying a gen 1 hayabusa building the engine and strapping a large turbo to it. Forget the list, you would be embarrassing a lot of hyper cars. All for £20k or less.

lol who’s irate?! The comments were more:

- Fast has many metrics
- nowhere does it state 2 mile runway
- a 140i isn’t the same car in feel as a M3 regardless of mods
- these cars are out of the box fast and drivers cars
- if we’re talking ‘modded and fast for 50k’ not sure 140 would get a look in

My comment was simply you could go faster for half the £50k in a M140. Then people lost their minds that it’s impossible and because a M3/ GT4 etc has better steering feel that means it’s faster and can’t be slower than a 1 series.
If it was modded for £50k so I had another £25k to spend on a M140 I’m sure you could create something mighty impressive like a full blown time attack car that really would slaughter the whole list!
It’s just fun chat and comparisons people don’t need to get so defensive about what they’ve spent their money on
And ‘feel’ doesn’t mean fast, the slowest caterham will have better steering and chassis feel than 99% of cars but it’s not fast.
Maybe we change the thread to ‘cars with best driver feel and engagement and reasonably brisk for £50k’

Edited by Glenn63 on Wednesday 15th May 09:12

[Billy_Whizzzz]

Glenn63 said:

Billy_Whizzzz said:

seabod91 said:

Some really weird people on here. Getting mad that a sorted 140i would be just as quick if not faster that most of the list. Then bash said poster comparing it to the new “mapped 335d is the quickest car ever”.

This is titled “fastest for £50k”, not fastest track car, not best handling car, not fastest best spec’ed car.

I assume it’s if you line up on a 2 mile runway, what gets to the end fastest.

Anyway. For outright speed I’d be buying a gen 1 hayabusa building the engine and strapping a large turbo to it. Forget the list, you would be embarrassing a lot of hyper cars. All for £20k or less.

lol who’s irate?! The comments were more:

- Fast has many metrics
- nowhere does it state 2 mile runway
- a 140i isn’t the same car in feel as a M3 regardless of mods
- these cars are out of the box fast and drivers cars
- if we’re talking ‘modded and fast for 50k’ not sure 140 would get a look in

My comment was simply you could go faster for half the £50k in a M140. Then people lost their minds that it’s impossible and because a M3/ GT4 etc has better steering feel that means it’s faster and can’t be slower than a 1 series.
If it was modded for £50k so I had another £25k to spend on a M140 I’m sure you could create something mighty impressive like a full blown time attack car that really would slaughter the whole list!
It’s just fun chat and comparisons people don’t need to get so defensive about what they’ve spent their money on
And ‘feel’ doesn’t mean fast, the slowest caterham will have better steering and chassis feel than 99% of cars but it’s not fast.
Maybe we change the thread to ‘cars with best driver feel and engagement and reasonably brisk for £50k’

Edited by Glenn63 on Wednesday 15th May 09:12

Lol - I’ve no doubt that your 140 with a remap is faster in a straight line than my 981 Spyder or 911. Much. I don’t feel remotely threatened by that. Or that a 140 can be had for £20k or so. But I really think that despite the use of the word ‘fast’ , that wasn’t really the point of the article!

[Glenn63]

Erm ok, odd you’ve brought up two cars not mentioned on this thread, and I also didn’t say straight line iv been saying round a track, the test that measures all areas that make a car ‘fast’. But you carry on sir..

[Master Bean]

My 1 litre Fiesta is fast. It will do 115mph.

[cerb4.5lee]

Master Bean said:

My 1 litre Fiesta is fast. It will do 115mph.

Faster than the majority of EVs then!(top speed wise anyway).

[AceRockatansky]

I've had 4 out of those 6. 3 at the same time. Still got the 996, though it's fairly well modified now.

[Earl of Petrol]

Master Bean said:

My 1 litre Fiesta is fast. It will do 115mph.

Yep. It’s enough to get you into a fair bit of trouble.
Top speed is irrelevant above 130kph (generally the upper limit in EU) unless you’re on a derestricted German autobahn or a track day.
Or you have blue flashing lights on your vehicle.

[Glenn63]

AceRockatansky said:

I've had 4 out of those 6. 3 at the same time. Still got the 996, though it's fairly well modified now.

How would you compare the GTR and 996 for a dailyable track day car? Say 4-6 a year and a euro trip?

[Mouse Rat]

big_rob_sydney said:

Oliie said:

If it's just about usable speed for under 50k, then surely a Tesla 3 Performance would qualify...

Edited by Oliie on Tuesday 14th May 03:53

Early ones are quite a bit less than £50k too. I'm interested to see the new one in the metal and in comparisons with rivals. But yes, they are a quick car.

I think they would now be in the Super-fast for £17K category.

[RossP]

Simple. Crazy fast. Crazy cheap to run.

Kia EV6 GT

And so much better than a Tesla M3P

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/16562854

[bodhi]

AceRockatansky said:

I've had 4 out of those 6. 3 at the same time. Still got the 996, though it's fairly well modified now.

Not sure what I'm more impressed with - the cars in the garages or the M135i with L Plates on it

This is probably one of the first lists I could happily own any of them, apart from possibly the Caterham (respect them massively but not really my thing). For me it would be a coin flip between the Alfa and the M3, although I may keep flipping until the M3 comes up.

[Robertb]

I'll have an S63 Coupe please. That's a lot of performance and luxury for the money. All fun and games til something goes wrong, but still...

[CG2020UK]

RossP said:

Simple. Crazy fast. Crazy cheap to run.

Kia EV6 GT

And so much better than a Tesla M3P

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/16562854

Pretty sure I see the EV6 GT getting beat in drag races by the Tesla Model 3 Performance on YouTube.

Can get the Model 3 performance for £22-25k while a EV6 GT is a good bit more needing £40k.

What’s makes the EV6 GT so much better especially for near double the money?

Edited by CG2020UK on Wednesday 15th May 14:35

[supacool1]

bodhi said:

Not sure what I'm more impressed with - the cars in the garages or the M135i with L Plates on it

This is probably one of the first lists I could happily own any of them, apart from possibly the Caterham (respect them massively but not really my thing). For me it would be a coin flip between the Alfa and the M3, although I may keep flipping until the M3 comes up.

Why bother...just get the M140i and get it mapped. It's almost as good if not better, according to this thread....

[AceRockatansky]

Glenn63 said:

AceRockatansky said:

I've had 4 out of those 6. 3 at the same time. Still got the 996, though it's fairly well modified now.

How would you compare the GTR and 996 for a dailyable track day car? Say 4-6 a year and a euro trip?

GTR was a much better track car. I always find paddles have plenty of engagement, especially in R mode, the car changes its character completely. Check for rust on the subframes and I was always worried about throwing a rod, was almost a weekly occurrence on the GTR forum. They take a bit of upkeep.

I just had more invested in the 996 and it's a road car for me, which I think it does better.

Porsche are faster at the same power, I think it's the traction and reduced drive train losses, but you won't be disappointed with either. GTR was 4.25 and running about 650hp, porsche about the same with Billet K16, but now around 800 on a built 4.0. Tech is miles ahead on the GTR.

[AceRockatansky]

bodhi said:

AceRockatansky said:

I've had 4 out of those 6. 3 at the same time. Still got the 996, though it's fairly well modified now.

Not sure what I'm more impressed with - the cars in the garages or the M135i with L Plates on it

This is probably one of the first lists I could happily own any of them, apart from possibly the Caterham (respect them massively but not really my thing). For me it would be a coin flip between the Alfa and the M3, although I may keep flipping until the M3 comes up.

I didn't plan on buying an M135i, the wife wanted red leather seats and I was looking for a low mileage hatchback. This came up so it was the only one we could agree on!

Was a great car and I was surprised how quick it was, though it wasn't the most confidence inspiring rear end. She passed her test in that car!

[Hoofy]

AceRockatansky said:

Porsche are faster at the same power, I think it's the traction and reduced drive train losses, but you won't be disappointed with either. GTR was 4.25 and running about 650hp, porsche about the same with Billet K16, but now around 800 on a built 4.0. Tech is miles ahead on the GTR.

800bhp in a 996 Turbo? I find a completely standard car is more than quick enough and can't imagine how terrifying it must be to have double the power when you bury the throttle into the carpet!

[200Plus Club]

Hoofy said:

800bhp in a 996 Turbo? I find a completely standard car is more than quick enough and can't imagine how terrifying it must be to have double the power when you bury the throttle into the carpet!

I've done 203mph in a tuned 997, it's actually very easy to drive and very stable. Gets a bit squirmy under braking perhaps but otherwise not a major worry.
The acceleration is relentless, pretty similar to a tuned BMW 140i :-)

[Hoofy]

200Plus Club said:

Hoofy said:

800bhp in a 996 Turbo? I find a completely standard car is more than quick enough and can't imagine how terrifying it must be to have double the power when you bury the throttle into the carpet!

I've done 203mph in a tuned 997, it's actually very easy to drive and very stable. Gets a bit squirmy under braking perhaps but otherwise not a major worry.
The acceleration is relentless, pretty similar to a tuned BMW 140i :-)

It's the acceleration that would scare me.
My old 650bhp Skyline GTR was bad enough.