Incriminating Evidence
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Nervous, you seem to want to challenge everyone, go ahead, I can't be arsed arguing with you while you twist your words around to suit you.
It should be clear now where my feelings lie. Certainly not with 10pshort.
I have experienced this type of incident from the bikers family point of view, so I know exactly what I am talking about and I really couldn't give two hoots that 10pshort might have nightmares or twinges of conscience. Apart from whats going on in his head his life will physically go on as normal, the biker not only probably has similar nightmares but has to deal with his injuries too.
So for the benefit of those who are sympathetic to 10pshorts 'plight', give a thought to the other people involved too, those who have no voice on here.
In my opinion, 10 Pence Short got off very, very lightly.
It should be clear now where my feelings lie. Certainly not with 10pshort.
I have experienced this type of incident from the bikers family point of view, so I know exactly what I am talking about and I really couldn't give two hoots that 10pshort might have nightmares or twinges of conscience. Apart from whats going on in his head his life will physically go on as normal, the biker not only probably has similar nightmares but has to deal with his injuries too.
So for the benefit of those who are sympathetic to 10pshorts 'plight', give a thought to the other people involved too, those who have no voice on here.
In my opinion, 10 Pence Short got off very, very lightly.
fractiousgit said:
Once again, you are completely wrong.
ohh right, once again, so your saying its a fair cop the killer getting 12 weeks and a nieive young enthusiats who messed up got 12 months and 3 years ban ?
good on ya chap, id take a step back and see what those comments make you look like in the eyes of others.
barreti said:
Nervous, you seem to want to challenge everyone, go ahead, I can't be arsed arguing with you while you twist your words around to suit you.
It should be clear now where my feelings lie. Certainly not with 10pshort.
I have experienced this type of incident from the bikers family point of view, so I know exactly what I am talking about and I really couldn't give two hoots that 10pshort might have nightmares or twinges of conscience. Apart from whats going on in his head his life will physically go on as normal, the biker not only probably has similar nightmares but has to deal with his injuries too.
So for the benefit of those who are sympathetic to 10pshorts 'plight', give a thought to the other people involved too, those who have no voice on here.
In my opinion, 10 Pence Short got off very, very lightly.
It should be clear now where my feelings lie. Certainly not with 10pshort.
I have experienced this type of incident from the bikers family point of view, so I know exactly what I am talking about and I really couldn't give two hoots that 10pshort might have nightmares or twinges of conscience. Apart from whats going on in his head his life will physically go on as normal, the biker not only probably has similar nightmares but has to deal with his injuries too.
So for the benefit of those who are sympathetic to 10pshorts 'plight', give a thought to the other people involved too, those who have no voice on here.
In my opinion, 10 Pence Short got off very, very lightly.
the point not thats << rearrange in your own order to make the correct sentence.
there is no 10p fan club here, im just trying to show justice in action, killer, a guy on parole, gets 12 weeks becuase he wriggled out of it, a young lad who just coughed up everything was given 12 months.
im a biker ffs, I wouldnt see this as equal justice, thats the point, not personal attack like you seem to be playing for.
DucatiGary said:
fractiousgit said:
Once again, you are completely wrong.
ohh right, once again, so your saying its a fair cop the killer getting 12 weeks and a nieive young enthusiats who messed up got 12 months and 3 years ban ?
good on ya chap, id take a step back and see what those comments make you look like in the eyes of others.
I stated that you were wrong in your assumption that I was a policeman, which you are.
I also stated that you were wrong in your assumptions about RU Local, which you are.
Try reading and understanding before posting, works wonders...
fractiousgit said:
Try reading and understanding before posting, works wonders...
my "assumption" was based on fact, based on what RU posted, wether or not you think hes a great guy, I was posting fact and not playing the "hes my mate he bought me a pint once" card.
mabe you should read what the threads about before jumping in with the "stop calling my mate, hes alright" it does sound a bit inbred if im going to be perfectly honest and could also show the mentality of RU's chums.
anyways, keep farming.
Munkie said:
The guy sounds like a dangerous driver. The fact that he's supposedly recommended "good" roads for driving on kind of indicate that he thinks the roads are his own racetrack. Can do without those sorts on the road.
I'm kind of confused why so many people are hoo-haaing about his sentence. Sure, the tósser who killed that kid should have been hung, but for all of you thinking this guy's 12 month prison sentence is harsh well... kind of shocking to be honest.
I'm kind of confused why so many people are hoo-haaing about his sentence. Sure, the tósser who killed that kid should have been hung, but for all of you thinking this guy's 12 month prison sentence is harsh well... kind of shocking to be honest.
I think the lesson of this thread is largely, "There but for the grace of God go we all". I've been accused of Dangerous Driving...and it is a sobering thing to have levelled at you. Thankfully in my case they failed to make it stick. I've definitely learned a lesson from it though. It highlighted to me how easy it is for a small mistake could cost yourself and others so much in terms well being and liberty.
I also think 10Pence deserves some credit for taking it on the chin and for clearly feeling guilty and remorseful. However, I would sympathise more with the biker who may effectively have a life sentence. Let's hope it works out better for both of them than it's been painted.
J.
Edited by jezzaaa on Monday 23 April 12:34
DucatiGary said:
fractiousgit said:
Once again, you are completely wrong.
ohh right, once again, so your saying its a fair cop the killer getting 12 weeks and a nieive young enthusiats who messed up got 12 months and 3 years ban ?
good on ya chap, id take a step back and see what those comments make you look like in the eyes of others.
Your contention that the sentences are unfair makes an assumption of equivalence between the two cases that, given the current lack of information about 10p's case and the conduct thereof, is untenable.
RUL has given a great deal of information about why and how the Hussain case resulted in the sentence it did; none of this information is available for the 10p case.
At best it's reasonable to say that Hussain deserved a longer sentence - but there was insufficient evidence to justify that. Justice isn't a popularity contest. Sometimes the process produces results that aren't palatable, but it'd be a travesty of justice to circumvent the process just to satisfy the bloodlust of the baying crowds. That's a lynch mob.
I'd like to think (resident BiB, care to comment?) that the Hussain case provided lessons in evidence-gathering and such that hopefully will lead to convictions and sentencing that are more acceptable in future.
Edited by CommanderJameson on Monday 23 April 12:32
DucatiGary said:
ohh right, once again, so your saying its a fair cop the killer getting 12 weeks and a nieive young enthusiats who messed up got 12 months and 3 years ban ?
I dont think anyone is saying its fair but 10pence nearly killed a man. So 12 months for ruining some ones life seems a little light dont you think?
barreti said:
Nervous, you seem to want to challenge everyone, go ahead, I can't be arsed arguing with you while you twist your words around to suit you.
It should be clear now where my feelings lie. Certainly not with 10pshort.
I have experienced this type of incident from the bikers family point of view, so I know exactly what I am talking about and I really couldn't give two hoots that 10pshort might have nightmares or twinges of conscience. Apart from whats going on in his head his life will physically go on as normal, the biker not only probably has similar nightmares but has to deal with his injuries too.
So for the benefit of those who are sympathetic to 10pshorts 'plight', give a thought to the other people involved too, those who have no voice on here.
In my opinion, 10 Pence Short got off very, very lightly.
It should be clear now where my feelings lie. Certainly not with 10pshort.
I have experienced this type of incident from the bikers family point of view, so I know exactly what I am talking about and I really couldn't give two hoots that 10pshort might have nightmares or twinges of conscience. Apart from whats going on in his head his life will physically go on as normal, the biker not only probably has similar nightmares but has to deal with his injuries too.
So for the benefit of those who are sympathetic to 10pshorts 'plight', give a thought to the other people involved too, those who have no voice on here.
In my opinion, 10 Pence Short got off very, very lightly.
challenge everyone? where? its just you and RU that im challenging. forgive me, but thats staggeringly arrogant. youre just two people. theres plenty more opinions on this matter, yours is just one of them. as is mine.
i note that whilst adding credance to your argument that you know of someone whos been involved in an accident, you ignore my response to your last post. why is this?
to reiterate:
the OP will have more than 'twinges'. if you cannot get your head around this im surprised. i have first hand experience of this. you do not. you ignore this point, despite requesting my consideration of it.
i do not have to imagine what its like to lose the use of a limb, as i already have a condition that emulates much the same effect in BOTH my hands. this is my first hand experience of this, if you will excuse the pun. something, again you do not have but yet called for my consideration on.
now that, upon your demand, i have qualified myself to continue this argument with you, id be interested to know how you feel that what i say is 'bollox' and what you say is 'fact'.
DucatiGary said:
justice in action, killer, a guy on parole, gets 12 weeks becuase he wriggled out of it, a young lad who just coughed up everything was given 12 months.
What are you advocating? That the guy who killed the child should be locked up without due process of law? That the police should have tried harder to produce the evidence? That they should have failed to collect the evidence for the CPS in 10pence's case?
The two cases proceeded according to the law, and the police did their jobs in both cases. Maybe you would like the law to operate differently? Perhaps an offence of aggravated death by careless driving (i.e. to consider factors such as TWOC and lack of insurance etc) would be appropriate?
Having a personal go at an individual BiB for the system in which they are obliged to operate is not productive. I value the contributions made by serving BiB to the forums, but they don't stick around long because of the grief they get.
DucatiGary said:
fractiousgit said:
Try reading and understanding before posting, works wonders...
my "assumption" was based on fact, based on what RU posted, wether or not you think hes a great guy, I was posting fact and not playing the "hes my mate he bought me a pint once" card.
mabe you should read what the threads about before jumping in with the "stop calling my mate, hes alright" it does sound a bit inbred if im going to be perfectly honest and could also show the mentality of RU's chums.
anyways, keep farming.
Where did i state that he is my mate? I stated that I have met him, huge difference. Niether did I state he was a great guy, I stated that I thought your assumptions about him were wrong, as is your assumption that I am in the same line of work. I did read the thread, that is why I commented.Resorting to comments like "inbred" shows a distinct lack of intellect, I`m sure your quite a clever chap, so there really is no need to start slinging childish insults around is there?
I`d better scoot off down to the nick now, my tour of duty with the Sweeney starts at 2....
id like to point out im not in anyways BiB bashing, ill leave this thread as is from now on, i only used the other case as a comparrison, not saying either is right or wrong just pointing out a comparrison between events, I have never met 10p in person but have read lots of stuff he posted on various forums and had many a good laugh at some of the funny stuff he posted.
strangley enough I was on the list to go out that day, on my ducati too as it happens but due to it looking like it might rain (she didnt go out in the rain ever) i gave it a miss and went to see my family with the mrs instead.
im not in anyways trying to get people to jump on the thread for backup although if we wanted a PH popularity contest, everyone but diptus would beat me, so thats not even a fair game.
i was just disgusted at the contrast between the two cases, not picking out anyone and blaming them just showing disgust to the state of events, which RU agrees is wrong.
strangley enough I was on the list to go out that day, on my ducati too as it happens but due to it looking like it might rain (she didnt go out in the rain ever) i gave it a miss and went to see my family with the mrs instead.
im not in anyways trying to get people to jump on the thread for backup although if we wanted a PH popularity contest, everyone but diptus would beat me, so thats not even a fair game.
i was just disgusted at the contrast between the two cases, not picking out anyone and blaming them just showing disgust to the state of events, which RU agrees is wrong.
Alright Nervy, I'll raise my Bollocks to meet your Fact 
There are things in life which I regret and wish 'if only I had/hadn't done such and such' which could have changed either my or other peoples lives, granted its not a car accident but nontheless these things prick my conscience sometimes and occasionally provide fuel for nightmares.
This I relate to this incident. There's nothing to show for this physically, and there is absolutely nothing I can do about it, but there anyway.
You don't have to have direct first hand experience of a major, life threatening car accident to be able to understand what goes on in your head after an event. My car write off accident 2 years ago still repeats in my head although nobody else was involved.
I don't give a flying fart what may or may not be going on in the OPs head. Who knows if his remorse was sincere or not. To me, it was just a bunch of words on a page. I don't know the man so can't say if his conscience will torment him or not.
So I still think it was bollox for you to say that the OPs life will never be be same. Thats my opinion, its almost certainly different to your opinion but thats the way it is sometimes.
I do apologise for the insistence that you tried putting yourself in the bikers shoes and not using one of your hands, which pushed you into explaining on a public forum something which to me would be personal.
There are things in life which I regret and wish 'if only I had/hadn't done such and such' which could have changed either my or other peoples lives, granted its not a car accident but nontheless these things prick my conscience sometimes and occasionally provide fuel for nightmares.
This I relate to this incident. There's nothing to show for this physically, and there is absolutely nothing I can do about it, but there anyway.
You don't have to have direct first hand experience of a major, life threatening car accident to be able to understand what goes on in your head after an event. My car write off accident 2 years ago still repeats in my head although nobody else was involved.
I don't give a flying fart what may or may not be going on in the OPs head. Who knows if his remorse was sincere or not. To me, it was just a bunch of words on a page. I don't know the man so can't say if his conscience will torment him or not.
So I still think it was bollox for you to say that the OPs life will never be be same. Thats my opinion, its almost certainly different to your opinion but thats the way it is sometimes.
I do apologise for the insistence that you tried putting yourself in the bikers shoes and not using one of your hands, which pushed you into explaining on a public forum something which to me would be personal.
Is it worth considering the fact that the unlicensed asian fellow may NOT have been driving dangerously? Reading RUL's account of the CCTV footageleading up to the accident, it seems that the childs mother was doing an utterly piss poor job of supervising the kid. It could just have easily been a licensed, insured driver doing 33mph that hit the little girl wandering into the road without her parent; instead it happened to be an unlicensed, uninsured one. At the time the accident happened there was no evidence that this unlicensed car thief was doing any other than driving in a similar fashion to 99% of drivers on the roads. This is why there was no conviction for causing death by dangerous driving, only a conviction for the technical offences of being a squirmy little shit operating outside the law.
barreti said:
Alright Nervy, I'll raise my Bollocks to meet your Fact
There are things in life which I regret and wish 'if only I had/hadn't done such and such' which could have changed either my or other peoples lives, granted its not a car accident but nontheless these things prick my conscience sometimes and occasionally provide fuel for nightmares.
This I relate to this incident. There's nothing to show for this physically, and there is absolutely nothing I can do about it, but there anyway.
You don't have to have direct first hand experience of a major, life threatening car accident to be able to understand what goes on in your head after an event. My car write off accident 2 years ago still repeats in my head although nobody else was involved.
I don't give a flying fart what may or may not be going on in the OPs head. Who knows if his remorse was sincere or not. To me, it was just a bunch of words on a page. I don't know the man so can't say if his conscience will torment him or not.
So I still think it was bollox for you to say that the OPs life will never be be same. Thats my opinion, its almost certainly different to your opinion but thats the way it is sometimes.
I do apologise for the insistence that you tried putting yourself in the bikers shoes and not using one of your hands, which pushed you into explaining on a public forum something which to me would be personal.
There are things in life which I regret and wish 'if only I had/hadn't done such and such' which could have changed either my or other peoples lives, granted its not a car accident but nontheless these things prick my conscience sometimes and occasionally provide fuel for nightmares.
This I relate to this incident. There's nothing to show for this physically, and there is absolutely nothing I can do about it, but there anyway.
You don't have to have direct first hand experience of a major, life threatening car accident to be able to understand what goes on in your head after an event. My car write off accident 2 years ago still repeats in my head although nobody else was involved.
I don't give a flying fart what may or may not be going on in the OPs head. Who knows if his remorse was sincere or not. To me, it was just a bunch of words on a page. I don't know the man so can't say if his conscience will torment him or not.
So I still think it was bollox for you to say that the OPs life will never be be same. Thats my opinion, its almost certainly different to your opinion but thats the way it is sometimes.
I do apologise for the insistence that you tried putting yourself in the bikers shoes and not using one of your hands, which pushed you into explaining on a public forum something which to me would be personal.
ok chum
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