10 weeks in jail for 172 mph in a porsche!!!

[Apache]

dern said:

JonRB said:

mike4494 said:

I am at a loss to understand how driving at 172 on a public road is SAFE in the right conditions ?

Ask the Germans. They seem to manage it ok.

Lol... and you were moaning about the media distorting the facts. We aren't in germany where the expecation is that someone may come past you at those speeds, we are in the uk where people don't generally have those expectations. Also the fact that some people have managed to drive at these speeds doesn't infer that it is always safe to do so.

Ergo the more it happens the more people begin to expect it.....the guy was doing all of us who might like to have a hoon a service

[JonRB]

dern said:

We aren't in germany where the expecation is that someone may come past you at those speeds, we are in the uk where people don't generally have those expectations. Also the fact that some people have managed to drive at these speeds doesn't infer that it is always safe to do so.

I don't disagree with you for a minute there, Mark. I was merely responding to another poster who was implying that 172mph was automatically a ludicrous and dangerous speed to do in public in any and all circumstances. I was asking if that included Germany.

Edited by JonRB on Tuesday 25th September 16:37

[mike4494]

I still dont get how it can be classed as safe to drive at 172 on a British Public Road ? Sure the Germans can do it on the ever decreasing unrestricted autobahns, but arent they designed with those speeds in mind, the roads in our fine land arent !

I am not saying I have never gone above the speed limits , or even driven like a prat before, but I think that if you drive at such excessive speeds on a public road then you are placing yourself and others at risk !
If I was alone in thinking this on this website then I would accept that perhaps I am on the wrong site, however it would appear that I am not alone.

Speed dont kill, bad drivers do !

[dern]

Apache said:

dern said:

JonRB said:

mike4494 said:

I am at a loss to understand how driving at 172 on a public road is SAFE in the right conditions ?

Ask the Germans. They seem to manage it ok.

Lol... and you were moaning about the media distorting the facts. We aren't in germany where the expecation is that someone may come past you at those speeds, we are in the uk where people don't generally have those expectations. Also the fact that some people have managed to drive at these speeds doesn't infer that it is always safe to do so.

Ergo the more it happens the more people begin to expect it.....the guy was doing all of us who might like to have a hoon a service

Now that is a stretch

[JonRB]

mike4494 said:

Sure the Germans can do it on the ever decreasing unrestricted autobahns, but arent they designed with those speeds in mind, the roads in our fine land arent !

Not really. Many unrestricted Autobahns are only 2 lanes as I understand it.

[JonRB]

dern said:

Now that is a stretch

As the Actress said to the Bishop.

[The Griffalo]

It depends on the roads and the conditions. Here in the fens we have some roads where exceptionally high speeds could be safe in the right conditions as visibility is excellent. Those times are few and far between but it's certainly not impossible to travel at that speed safely in the UK.

[dern]

JonRB said:

mike4494 said:

Sure the Germans can do it on the ever decreasing unrestricted autobahns, but arent they designed with those speeds in mind, the roads in our fine land arent !

Not really. Many unrestricted Autobahns are only 2 lanes as I understand it.

Bit like france though isn't it... as in the number of cars per mile I mean? Haven't been to germany (*), asking really. In france you can drive for miles at high speed and even if there is traffic you'll stand a much lower chance of someone pulling out in front of you than here. Surely the unrestricted bits in germany must be a bit like that what with them being out in the sticks. I daren't ride on the bike at that speed in this country because some div will pull out in front of me without looking.

• Actually I have, memory failing me, just didn't drive.

Edited by dern on Tuesday 25th September 16:49

[fluffnik]

mike4494 said:

JonRB said:

mike4494 said:

I am at a loss to understand how driving at 172 on a public road is SAFE in the right conditions ?

Ask the Germans. They seem to manage it ok.

Sorry didnt realise the guy was in Germany on the Autobahn !!!I read it that he was on an A road in Engerlund, my mistake, makes it alright then !

The unlimited A-bahnen and dual-carriageways in Germany are just like our roads, they have no magic features to make higher speeds safe, but they are.

[fluffnik]

dern said:

We aren't in germany where the expecation is that someone may come past you at those speeds, we are in the uk where people don't generally have those expectations.

We should abolish the dangerous speed limits that cause these false expectations.

[fluffnik]

dern said:

Surely the unrestricted bits in germany must be a bit like that what with them being out in the sticks.

Quite a lot of busy yet unrestricted 2-laners around Düsseldorf which is about as far from the sticks as you can get.

Commuter traffic seems to flow around 120-130mph...

[derestrictor]

fluffnik said:

Quite a lot of busy yet unrestricted 2-laners around Düsseldorf which is about as far from the sticks as you can get.

Commuter traffic seems to flow around 120-130mph...

So why, WHY can't it happen here? What IS the difference - are Germans superior to us meandering Brits?

The only difference between UK repman doing 120 in his modern Tdi and Gruber, his counterpart from Mannheim doing the same, is legality.

It was suggested to me yesterday that the rationale for German tolerance of autobahn freedoms (to the extent that they do exist) is intrinsically linked to the powerhaus of their uber motor industry: stifling the natural proclivities of the boys from AMG et al could be seen as a suicidal tendancy against a mass and critical guardian of national prosperity.

We have no remaining car industry of great economic significance so similar stakes are irrelevant to UK legislators and politicos who can instead, like Chief Chump Livingslime himself, focus all their efforts appealing to the baser instincts of their primary, left wing audiences.

We really do get screwed on this.

P.S. Did you know that the last official review of the nsl was in 2001? There was a suggestion then that we could just about withstand a hike to 80mph but this wantan, motoring abandon was rejected on the grounds of yep, safety and increased pollution.

Welcome to Britain, Land of The Fake Bill of Goods.

Pitiful.

[Apache]

fluffnik said:

mike4494 said:

JonRB said:

mike4494 said:

I am at a loss to understand how driving at 172 on a public road is SAFE in the right conditions ?

Ask the Germans. They seem to manage it ok.

Sorry didnt realise the guy was in Germany on the Autobahn !!!I read it that he was on an A road in Engerlund, my mistake, makes it alright then !

The unlimited A-bahnen and dual-carriageways in Germany are just like our roads, they have no magic features to make higher speeds safe, but they are.

I lived near Dusseldorf for 4 years, the only difference is the speed

[JonRB]

derestrictor said:

P.S. Did you know that the last official review of the nsl was in 2001? There was a suggestion then that we could just about withstand a hike to 80mph but this wantan, motoring abandon was rejected on the grounds of yep, safety and increased pollution.

This is the one thing I would be in favour of coming in line with France over - their 80mph speed limit. Well, that and how much wine it is acceptable to drink.

[derestrictor]

JonRB said:

derestrictor said:

P.S. Did you know that the last official review of the nsl was in 2001? There was a suggestion then that we could just about withstand a hike to 80mph but this wantan, motoring abandon was rejected on the grounds of yep, safety and increased pollution.

This is the one thing I would be in favour of coming in line with France over - their 80mph speed limit. Well, that and how much wine it is acceptable to drink.

In all seriousness, Jon, I doubt any rational hombre with meat & twin veganry au pantalons would deny the need for at least a revised 80-90 limit.

It just isn't excessive, unlike the communist tendancies stalking this land.

[Apache]

hora said:

Hmmmmmm do certain people on here really feel that they are capable of controlling a car at 170 on in one case 200mph on a dual carriage A road? If you really are why dont you race in any formulae professionally? Or do you earn alot of money and its arrogance talking?

perhaps some have done it?

[derestrictor]

hora said:

Hmmmmmm do certain people on here really feel that they are capable of controlling a car at 170 on in one case 200mph on a dual carriage A road? If you really are why dont you race in any formulae professionally? Or do you earn alot of money and its arrogance talking?

Good God, man - do you have the remotest idea what you're talking about or perhaps more significantly, where some of us are coming from?

Just to make it clear, this is not MaxPower's virtual arm, ok?

[Apache]

hora said:

Perhaps but public roads aren't race tracks.

Quite.....which why none of us would condone racing. I too talk boocks but it's always refreshing to listen to an expert, please continue

Edited by Apache on Wednesday 26th September 13:44

[pikey]

derestrictor said:

fluffnik said:

Quite a lot of busy yet unrestricted 2-laners around Düsseldorf which is about as far from the sticks as you can get.

Commuter traffic seems to flow around 120-130mph...

So why, WHY can't it happen here? What IS the difference - are Germans superior to us meandering Brits?

In a word, yes. Cultural differences play a big part. They are much safer - more aware of their surroundings, far less aggrogant, aggressive, and dangerous.

That was what struck me when I drove on an Autobahn for the first time - it wouldn't work in Britain due to the people's aggression.

[JonRB]

pikey said:

They are ... far less aggrogant, aggressive, and dangerous.

Sorry, we are talking about Germans here, aren't we?

Edited by JonRB on Wednesday 26th September 13:57