Race and horse transporters banned within M25
Discussion
mechsympathy said:
MTBR said:
nelly1 said:
Just the beginning IMHO.
Cars over 1.3l next? Hope I'm wrong!
Which will cause all sorts of truck related gridlock as people who have to use the M25 but don't want to spank £200 on the privilege use other smaller roads around there. More joined up thinking from Ken
Still can't get my head around the severity of the fines...
Hell, you can drive without MOT, tax and insurance and only get a couple of hundred quid fine...
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in the meeting where they dreamt up these figures...
Robbing Bastards said:
Lorries, buses and coaches: £1000 penalty charge per day. This will be reduced to £500 if paid within 14 calendar days, but increased to £1500 if not paid within 28 calendar days.
Large vans and minibuses: £500 penalty charge per day. This will be reduced to £250 if paid within 14 calendar days, but increased to £750 if not paid within 28 calendar days.
So if you stray into the zone, even for a second, even by mistake, then go on a three week holiday a few days later (before you got the notice of extortion), you'd be looking at a £42000 fine!!!! Large vans and minibuses: £500 penalty charge per day. This will be reduced to £250 if paid within 14 calendar days, but increased to £750 if not paid within 28 calendar days.
Hell, you can drive without MOT, tax and insurance and only get a couple of hundred quid fine...
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in the meeting where they dreamt up these figures...
Overpaid TFL tw*T said:
So...how much can we get away with then?
Livingscum said:
Who cares? F*ck 'em!
They'll have to pay whatever I say. Mwahahahahahaha!
Shall we call it a grand a day?
They'll have to pay whatever I say. Mwahahahahahaha!
Shall we call it a grand a day?
Overpaid TFL tw*T said:
Sweet! Pass the trough...large ones all round?
Livingscum said:
No, no! It's for the environment you know!
...pause...all said:
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Edited by nelly1 on Wednesday 7th November 09:41
johnfelstead said:
zagato said:
Yes, but do they need to be within the M25? Horses are supposed to be in the countryside. I'm sure the Surrey Range Rovers types will be furious though. Bless.
Epsom Downs and Kempton Park Racecourses are inside the M25, that's a few hundred million £ to the London Economy booted out, Bless. that and one wrong turn and you are stung with a fine.
Edited by Engineer1 on Wednesday 7th November 12:32
I'm sure the wider implications of this have not been properly though through. Although this will primarily affect businesses in the London area, it also means that vans, lorries, and coaches from anywhere in the country will have to pay this charge.
I wonder how many smaller businesses will just stop operating to london due to the extra costs involved. They would have to pass it on to the customers, which makes it a lot more difficult to compete with bigger organisations who can replace vehicles as matter of course.
I wonder how many smaller businesses will just stop operating to london due to the extra costs involved. They would have to pass it on to the customers, which makes it a lot more difficult to compete with bigger organisations who can replace vehicles as matter of course.
I can manage to overtake, thankyou. However it does mean waiting 5 minutes at a time to get to the next clear and straight section of road. As I live on the edge of the countryside many of the roads can be twisty in between the long clear straights. I see many people overtaking on blind corners or at the brow of a hill. Utterly stupid manouvers taken though sheer frustration at some of the inconsiderate muppets clogging up our roads, doing 35mph in 60 limits. I also see a fair few wrecks in the ditches too, who have clearly mastered the art of overtaking.
zagato said:
I can manage to overtake, thankyou. However it does mean waiting 5 minutes at a time to get to the next clear and straight section of road. As I live on the edge of the countryside many of the roads can be twisty in between the long clear straights. I see many people overtaking on blind corners or at the brow of a hill. Utterly stupid manouvers taken though sheer frustration at some of the inconsiderate muppets clogging up our roads, doing 35mph in 60 limits. I also see a fair few wrecks in the ditches too, who have clearly mastered the art of overtaking.
Presumably you don't eat anything which might have been farmed then - as it would have been produced by those inconsiderate farmers in their tractors? Or bought anything delivered to a shop by an inconsiderate haulier in an HGV? You just don't get the bit about this starting with something that might not affect you, but ending with something that will. Like slapping an emmissions tax on your W8 because it has a big engine, despite the fact that you lready pay more tax than everyone else on it because of the fuel it uses. This is dangerous precedent
I understand where your coming from. And I'm sure we'll all be in electric powered invalid vehicles within our lifetime. At a cost of 10k per annum tax no doubt too.
But right here and now, these slow cumbersome vehicles just pee me off all the time. Maybe it's just me, or where I live. If that's selfish then so be it. I would just welcome less slow crud on the roads. Especially if it is non essential. Clearly foodstuffs are. If you can't afford land for your mobile pooping glue pot, get another hobby ffs.
ps
Now that you mention it... I'd also like to see HGV's banned at rush hour. The roads are empty at night, so they can all play 1mph three lane races then. In fact the horses could also join in. Clearer roads has got to be worth 2p on a loaf of bread and milk. Everything goes up all the time, so what the hell. We may as well get something back.
Using the finite space we have in a sensible manner makes sense to me. If nothing is done imagine what it will be like when the predicted 1/3 more people arrive on our overcrowded island. It'll be grid lock everywhere. Then I'd like to nuke it from orbit. Selfish, I know.
But right here and now, these slow cumbersome vehicles just pee me off all the time. Maybe it's just me, or where I live. If that's selfish then so be it. I would just welcome less slow crud on the roads. Especially if it is non essential. Clearly foodstuffs are. If you can't afford land for your mobile pooping glue pot, get another hobby ffs.
ps
Now that you mention it... I'd also like to see HGV's banned at rush hour. The roads are empty at night, so they can all play 1mph three lane races then. In fact the horses could also join in. Clearer roads has got to be worth 2p on a loaf of bread and milk. Everything goes up all the time, so what the hell. We may as well get something back.
Using the finite space we have in a sensible manner makes sense to me. If nothing is done imagine what it will be like when the predicted 1/3 more people arrive on our overcrowded island. It'll be grid lock everywhere. Then I'd like to nuke it from orbit. Selfish, I know.
zagato said:
If you can't afford land for your mobile pooping glue pot, get another hobby ffs.
What, like motor racing? Which is actually what I use my 7.5 tonner for.zagato said:
Using the finite space we have in a sensible manner makes sense to me. If nothing is done imagine what it will be like when the predicted 1/3 more people arrive on our overcrowded island. It'll be grid lock everywhere. Then I'd like to nuke it from orbit. Selfish, I know.
And you've also missed the point of the charge. It is not intended to reduce the overall number of vehicles on the road. It is alledgedly trying to improve air quality by forcing older vehicles off the road. If I have a 4 year old truck I can drive it round Greater London all day everyday at 2 mph if I want. But if I inadvertently stray into the zone in my 1984 truck for 5 minutes, kerrching, that will be £200 to Mr Livingstone....Are you starting to get it now?
zagato said:
Now that you mention it... I'd also like to see HGV's banned at rush hour. The roads are empty at night, so they can all play 1mph three lane races then.
Ok. Where do we all park up while we wait for the rush hour to be over? Next time you order new furninture/kitchen/whatever, please remember to request a delivery in the early hours of the morning as you are so keen have the trucks out then.
And pay attention. HGVs only race in lanes one and two.
ked over with some EU restraint of trade angle?
I've just had a look at the vehicles affected.
From 2010 it will include what they laughingly call 'Large Vans', anything over 1,200 kg or so unladen. So pretty much everything then. Vauxhall Corsavans weigh in at 1,140kg unladen, so anything bigger than that (not large in my book) is covered.
At the moment they're assuming everything registered after Jan 2002 is compliant, how long before they move the goalposts?
Theiving bastards, why can't we just shoot them?
From 2010 it will include what they laughingly call 'Large Vans', anything over 1,200 kg or so unladen. So pretty much everything then. Vauxhall Corsavans weigh in at 1,140kg unladen, so anything bigger than that (not large in my book) is covered.
At the moment they're assuming everything registered after Jan 2002 is compliant, how long before they move the goalposts?
Theiving bastards, why can't we just shoot them?
japhilip said:
Theiving bastards, why can't we just shoot them?
Hmm, remembering The London Underground Song can we persuade Drs Biswas and Kay to write something about this?zagato said:
It affects me everytime I get stuck behind another sodding horse box, caravan or wide load gippo demountable on a lorry. It's alreay enough with the amount of tractors, old duffers and work vehicles round my area to contend with. The less clogged up the roads, the better.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=461232 Its already coming to get you and your W8 powered Passat. Do you now see why this needs to be halted before we lose all automotive freedom of choice?
If anyone is interested, the people in the Link below are the sole approved supplier of equipment to bring older engines upto Euro3, or if you require, Euro4 standards.
http://www.cdti.com/emissions_solutions.html
We have asked them for a quote. I'll let you know their pricing when they reply.
We did look into replacing our prefectly good truck with a brand new one. However, Daf were quoting week 40 next year as the earliest possible delivery time. Mercedes Benz were week 48. Apparantly all production is at the moment focused towards Eastern Europe.
http://www.cdti.com/emissions_solutions.html
We have asked them for a quote. I'll let you know their pricing when they reply.
We did look into replacing our prefectly good truck with a brand new one. However, Daf were quoting week 40 next year as the earliest possible delivery time. Mercedes Benz were week 48. Apparantly all production is at the moment focused towards Eastern Europe.
As promised, here are the prices I've been quoted.
Vehicle is a 1998 Renault Midliner 7.5 ton with 1,400,000kms showing.
To update to Euro 3 allowing use until 2012 - £3,000 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
To update to Euro 4 allowing use beyond 2012 - £4,100 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
Vehicle is a 1998 Renault Midliner 7.5 ton with 1,400,000kms showing.
To update to Euro 3 allowing use until 2012 - £3,000 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
To update to Euro 4 allowing use beyond 2012 - £4,100 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
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