RE: Porsche 911 Turbo
Discussion
JayKaybi said:
gary11 said:
JayKaybi said:
Supercars, as a good friend of mine regularly points out, need to have an element of 'outrage' about them. Which is why I don't even class the polite, quiet, refined, beautifully engineered and comfortable Veyron as a supercar (it's in a completely different category). A supercar should have the personality and impact of Guns N Roses circa 1987.
The 911T, while no doubt a popular record seller, conducts itself in a much more James Blunty fashion.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion,however a porsche 911 twin turbo is most DEFINATELY in every guise a true benchmark of a supercar and the car everyone wants to beat! accept it or not its true, possibly agree with you against a std 911 but a 911 turbo is crushingly good whilst obviously not a bugatti or mclaren ect.The 911T, while no doubt a popular record seller, conducts itself in a much more James Blunty fashion.
The Lamborghini Countach, by comparison with the Porsche 911T, is hopeless.
Park them next to each other and ask people to point at the supercar.
And before you suggest the Lambo is 'more of a supercar,' there is no sliding scale. The Lambo Countach is as much a supercar as the Zonda F Roadster you saw flying around the TG track on Sunday night, despite being massively inferior in technical terms, in the same way that an S65AMG is as much a 4 door saloon as a Ford Mondeo.
Edited by JayKaybi on Thursday 27th November 16:05
t compared to my current 911 and owned various SLS and inc a couple of AMG not in the same league IMO As far as your pointy at the supercar analagy thing goes dont underestimate the appeal of the porsche you will be supprised
if you dont like the porsche thats fine too!
daninsidious said:
Well it's quite simple isn't it?
911 = Sportscar,
911 Turbo = Supercar,
Carrera GT = Hypercar.
911 Turbo - faster, sports coupe
Carrera GT - So nearly a 'supercar', Damn it, i'll concede that one
(annoying clutch, kept getting my size 12 foot stuck!)
Sadly I think Aston are going the 911 way - a slow evolution of the same product with very little visible difference. And for that reason I don't consider them 'supercars' either, any of them, too mainstream.
Well it's quite simple isn't it?
911 = Sportscar,
911 Turbo = Supercar,
Carrera GT = Hypercar.
- ***********************
911 Turbo - faster, sports coupe
Carrera GT - So nearly a 'supercar', Damn it, i'll concede that one
(annoying clutch, kept getting my size 12 foot stuck!)Sadly I think Aston are going the 911 way - a slow evolution of the same product with very little visible difference. And for that reason I don't consider them 'supercars' either, any of them, too mainstream.
carsnapper said:
daninsidious said:
Well it's quite simple isn't it?
911 = Sportscar,
911 Turbo = Supercar,
Carrera GT = Hypercar.
911 Turbo - faster, sports coupe
Carrera GT - So nearly a 'supercar', Damn it, i'll concede that one (annoying clutch, kept getting my size 12 foot stuck!)
Sadly I think Aston are going the 911 way - a slow evolution of the same product with very little visible difference. And for that reason I don't consider them 'supercars' either, any of them, too mainstream.
Rod, can you advise was the car you drove in Germany plated up as 911 HUL. A contributor on the Porsche forum says the plate is only a press plate and has never been registered on a road car. Having seen Clarkson on the M40 with a 993 Turbo 911 HUL a few years back I believe he is talking sWell it's quite simple isn't it?
911 = Sportscar,
911 Turbo = Supercar,
Carrera GT = Hypercar.
- ***********************
911 Turbo - faster, sports coupe
Carrera GT - So nearly a 'supercar', Damn it, i'll concede that one
(annoying clutch, kept getting my size 12 foot stuck!)Sadly I think Aston are going the 911 way - a slow evolution of the same product with very little visible difference. And for that reason I don't consider them 'supercars' either, any of them, too mainstream.
te.
carsnapper said:
911 - sports coupe
911 Turbo - faster, sports coupe
Carrera GT - So nearly a 'supercar', Damn it, i'll concede that one (annoying clutch, kept getting my size 12 foot stuck!)
Sadly I think Aston are going the 911 way - a slow evolution of the same product with very little visible difference. And for that reason I don't consider them 'supercars' either, any of them, too mainstream.
+1 on the 911s and CGT.911 Turbo - faster, sports coupe
Carrera GT - So nearly a 'supercar', Damn it, i'll concede that one
(annoying clutch, kept getting my size 12 foot stuck!)Sadly I think Aston are going the 911 way - a slow evolution of the same product with very little visible difference. And for that reason I don't consider them 'supercars' either, any of them, too mainstream.
And I agree completely on the Astons these days.
For me a supercar is the car that even standing still awakes the child in you.
The original 911 Turbo (the 930) when it came out it was outrageous. Super sexy curves, monster size rear tires (for the time) and that huge wing at the back..... That's why it made the poster, that's why we all went crazy for it...
The 997TT is just another porker....
vinnie83 said:
911teo said:
I think most here would not consider a Mercedes SL 63/65 AMG a supercar, but it does everything the 997 TT does with maybe more style
The porsche goes around bends 
A Lotus Elise goes around the corners... Is it a supercar?
911teo said:
vinnie83 said:
911teo said:
I think most here would not consider a Mercedes SL 63/65 AMG a supercar, but it does everything the 997 TT does with maybe more style
The porsche goes around bends A Lotus Elise goes around the corners... Is it a supercar?
It was that the SL will not go around bends.
It was not that it is a supercar because it goes around bends.
Given the funds a 911turbo would be right at the top of my shopping list.
it just strikes me as being the most usable of the uber(ish) fast cars that you can leave out in the rain and crap every day and just get in and drive hard, get out the other end and forget about. For me that's it - it's not the getting there in the willy-waving look at me Ferrari way, it's relatively understated (in sober colours) and almost workmanlike, for want of an expression.
I like that. Function over style, in the same kind of way that I like the understated looks of the E39 M5. Brutal when you want it to be, docile when you don't.
it just strikes me as being the most usable of the uber(ish) fast cars that you can leave out in the rain and crap every day and just get in and drive hard, get out the other end and forget about. For me that's it - it's not the getting there in the willy-waving look at me Ferrari way, it's relatively understated (in sober colours) and almost workmanlike, for want of an expression.
I like that. Function over style, in the same kind of way that I like the understated looks of the E39 M5. Brutal when you want it to be, docile when you don't.
BEN66 said:
Nissan GTR- supercar? Surely fits the bill according to some interpretations of 'supercar' above?
Agreed the GTR measured by the same criteria that people are using to qualify the 911t as a supercar actually betters it as we know..some said its the bench mark..eh not anymore..BUT the 911 has the badge and heritage which pushes it into the supercar league IMO..but these labels are silly who defines them? like music genres that pop up..who is the actual authority on these matters? load o me hairy balls its a great car end ofBaxter 69 said:
BEN66 said:
It aint supercar, it's just a goodcar.
Why is it not? Its £99,000. Thats supercar money.0-60 3.8 and Top end of 190 +. Supercar speed.Or maybe because it's a Porsche which makes it more unsupercar?Yeh your right...The Ford GT, SLR, Carrera GT are not supercars either marlinmunro said:
carsnapper said:
daninsidious said:
Well it's quite simple isn't it?
911 = Sportscar,
911 Turbo = Supercar,
Carrera GT = Hypercar.
911 Turbo - faster, sports coupe
Carrera GT - So nearly a 'supercar', Damn it, i'll concede that one (annoying clutch, kept getting my size 12 foot stuck!)
Sadly I think Aston are going the 911 way - a slow evolution of the same product with very little visible difference. And for that reason I don't consider them 'supercars' either, any of them, too mainstream.
Rod, can you advise was the car you drove in Germany plated up as 911 HUL. A contributor on the Porsche forum says the plate is only a press plate and has never been registered on a road car. Having seen Clarkson on the M40 with a 993 Turbo 911 HUL a few years back I believe he is talking sWell it's quite simple isn't it?
911 = Sportscar,
911 Turbo = Supercar,
Carrera GT = Hypercar.
- ***********************
911 Turbo - faster, sports coupe
Carrera GT - So nearly a 'supercar', Damn it, i'll concede that one
(annoying clutch, kept getting my size 12 foot stuck!)Sadly I think Aston are going the 911 way - a slow evolution of the same product with very little visible difference. And for that reason I don't consider them 'supercars' either, any of them, too mainstream.
te.Yes the 911T I drove was plated as seen - 911 HUL, and was driven on that plate. The plate is a (the main) Porsche UK press plate and has been used on most all of the last 20 years worth of Press 911's, from what I can gather.
It just gets removed and placed on to the next new incarnation of the UK press cars as they evolve over the years and I presume the DVLA just change the plate of the old car back to it's original issued number, then they're flogged as ex press fleet (usually the best cars to get anyway, second hand).
Hope this helps!
I drove a 911 Turbo (997) On Wed for the 1st time. Together with the new Lambo Gallardo LP560, F430 Spider F1, Aston DBS, Masserati GT, Bentley GT Speedster.
To be honest the cars, styling was dull parked up next to the others, int he inside of the cabin, was boring and the drive nearly put me to sleep. The engine note sounded more like a washing machine! My Supra TT Straight 6 sounded better than that! The plus side, was there was no turbo lag, the tiptronic, was not as smooth as the other. But interms of every day use, the F430 is very usable and so is the Gallardo (Now with the useful feature of rasing the nose).
The only reason you'll buy a 911 is either your a hughe Porsche fan or than you cant afford a Lambo or Ferrai! I personally would save the pennys and get the Lambo!
To be honest the cars, styling was dull parked up next to the others, int he inside of the cabin, was boring and the drive nearly put me to sleep. The engine note sounded more like a washing machine! My Supra TT Straight 6 sounded better than that! The plus side, was there was no turbo lag, the tiptronic, was not as smooth as the other. But interms of every day use, the F430 is very usable and so is the Gallardo (Now with the useful feature of rasing the nose).
The only reason you'll buy a 911 is either your a hughe Porsche fan or than you cant afford a Lambo or Ferrai! I personally would save the pennys and get the Lambo!
Edited by Wayney on Saturday 29th November 18:35
I could have easily afforded a (used) Ferrari F430 or Lambo Galliardo or Murci and decided not to.
Nor am I a HUGE porsche fan... I like porsches because of how good they are... Same reason I like Ferrari's, Lambo's, Astons, etc...
The Lambo Galliardo IMO is a pain to drive anything but occasionally (not the new one as i've never driven)... I did love the F430, but it's definately not something I'd like to live with every day....
Admit though that the noise is a little on the low side, but to say the supra sounds 'better' is a matter of opinion... I'm not a fan of the supra sound, and think the flat 6 bark is awesome - it could do with being louder, but the sound is great none the less.
Looks wise, if you want to enter a 'my cock is bigger than yours' contest, then the Porsche is not for you... Ferrari and Lambo, and Audi R8, will all get you a lot more attention.... but if you don't want that, then it's a whole different matter....
Nor am I a HUGE porsche fan... I like porsches because of how good they are... Same reason I like Ferrari's, Lambo's, Astons, etc...
The Lambo Galliardo IMO is a pain to drive anything but occasionally (not the new one as i've never driven)... I did love the F430, but it's definately not something I'd like to live with every day....
Admit though that the noise is a little on the low side, but to say the supra sounds 'better' is a matter of opinion... I'm not a fan of the supra sound, and think the flat 6 bark is awesome - it could do with being louder, but the sound is great none the less.
Looks wise, if you want to enter a 'my cock is bigger than yours' contest, then the Porsche is not for you... Ferrari and Lambo, and Audi R8, will all get you a lot more attention.... but if you don't want that, then it's a whole different matter....
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