An epidemic of insanely slow drivers

[740EVTORQUES]

Foss62 said:

popeyewhite said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

The curious thing, is how someone, wishing to legally drive at the posted limits, has somehow transformed into a Driving God. It must mean that the driving abilities and standards of a dawdler are devastatingly poor.

I don't think it's that (though you may well be correct), the dawdlers have no legal moral or physical defence for deliberately impeding the majority of other road users so they cling to ill-fitting tropes in an attempt to bolster their wafer-thin justification for poor driving. See also "Yes but Thatcher" or "Yes but MX5" etc etc and other easy to use tropes for the lazy of mind.

The two of you (and a few others to be fair), have consistently accused anyone defending the freedom to sometimes drive below the posted limits, of being slow drivers, haters of ‘speeders’ and overtaking, members of BRAKE and/or Mumsnet, having poor vision, being too old etc. etc. without a shred of evidence that any of this is true. Even here you are implying that those opposing your simplistic beliefs are “dawdlers”, impeding the majority…, clinging to ill-fitting tropes.
I think you probably get away quite lightly with the epithet “Driving Gods”.
I was hoping that after the quite shocking (to me) post from someone who wanted to ban vintage lorries from the roads, that you might see where this was going. It is quite possible that the vintage lorry drivers were PH members and other members would be happily attending the event they were going to.
Authoritarianism is fine until it starts to interfere with the things you are personally interested in.

Well said.

Also, if you think ‘mumsnet’ is some kind of witty insult then your probably need to take a long look in the mirror.

[bigothunter]

DonkeyApple said:

Drugs might be more of an issue, people just seem medicated like they've had a few.

That's a good point with the prevalence of weed. Drivers floating along in a state of semi-consciousness.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Monkeylegend said:

Thankfully we still have the freedom of choice to decide on a personal basis what speed we wish to drive at as long as we are not breaking any laws, and driving below the posted limit is not illegal, so posters who are trying to impose their desires on others can be ignored

And yet you seem to believe that dawdlers who want to impose `their' speed `limit', on others road users who wish to travel legally at the posted limit is acceptable? Strange that
There is a key difference here, in that those who want to travel at the posted limit don't adversely affect the progress of the dawdler, but dawdlers `do adversely affect the progress of those who wish to travel at the posted limit .
Why anyone would want to be so selfish and bl**dy minded, as to want to impede the perfectly legal progress of other road users is the mystery.

[Pan Pan Pan]

PlywoodPascal said:

What fervid need, what aching, gnawing want
Denies thee peace upon the open road?
Is time itself thy cruel, pressing haunt,
That thou must race to shed its mortal load?

Try saying that, when you are trying to get to the hospital, or an airport by a certain time, and a dawdlers is holding you up. I am sure it will be a lot of comfort to you, when you miss your flight, or your operation.

[bigothunter]

740EVTORQUES said:

Also, if you think ‘mumsnet’ is some kind of witty insult then your probably need to take a long look in the mirror.

Are you a feminist?

[740EVTORQUES]

bigothunter said:

740EVTORQUES said:

Also, if you think ‘mumsnet’ is some kind of witty insult then your probably need to take a long look in the mirror.

Are you a feminist?

Thanks for proving my point

[LunarOne]

bigothunter said:

740EVTORQUES said:

Also, if you think ‘mumsnet’ is some kind of witty insult then your probably need to take a long look in the mirror.

Are you a feminist?

Aren't you?

[DonkeyApple]

bigothunter said:

DonkeyApple said:

Drugs might be more of an issue, people just seem medicated like they've had a few.

That's a good point with the prevalence of weed. Drivers floating along in a state of semi-consciousness.

I also meant legal medication. My mother decided to stop driving because her medication took away her clarity of mind. It was an easy choice her to make as my father still drives but I suspect many drivers today are on legitimate medication that is reducing their driving ability. I also suspect that the lockdowns just stagnated the minds of some.

All in, I suspect there are many factors at play from a large aging population, self righteousness, a more selfish population, a more active retirement population, lockdowns, Covid, medication, drugs, alcohol, more complicated roads with more speed changes, more men wearing their mother's trousers, screen distractions, more people with beards and the dreaded hat.

I don't think there is one core issue driving the change but that there has been a marked change overall.

[Monkeylegend]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Monkeylegend said:

Thankfully we still have the freedom of choice to decide on a personal basis what speed we wish to drive at as long as we are not breaking any laws, and driving below the posted limit is not illegal, so posters who are trying to impose their desires on others can be ignored

And yet you seem to believe that dawdlers who want to impose `their' speed `limit', on others road users who wish to travel legally at the posted limit is acceptable? Strange that
There is a key difference here, in that those who want to travel at the posted limit don't adversely affect the progress of the dawdler, but dawdlers `do adversely affect the progress of those who wish to travel at the posted limit .
Why anyone would want to be so selfish and bl**dy minded, as to want to impede the perfectly legal progress of other road users is the mystery.

Because there are drivers like you behind them.

[bigothunter]

LunarOne said:

bigothunter said:

740EVTORQUES said:

Also, if you think ‘mumsnet’ is some kind of witty insult then your probably need to take a long look in the mirror.

Are you a feminist?

Aren't you?

I adore and respect women. Do you?

[shed driver]

I drive a hearse, should I hand my keys in now?

SD.

[popeyewhite]

Foss62 said:

The two of you (and a few others to be fair)

Oh give it a rest. The 'everyone who claims to be irritated by dawdlers thinks they're a Driving God' argument is puerile, if nothing else because that particular irritated segment is the vast majority of drivers on the road. And they can't ALL be Driving Gods can they.

OK in a comparison to some of our overly cautious comrades on here maybe they are, but in general... .

[LunarOne]

bigothunter said:

LunarOne said:

bigothunter said:

740EVTORQUES said:

Also, if you think ‘mumsnet’ is some kind of witty insult then your probably need to take a long look in the mirror.

Are you a feminist?

Aren't you?

I adore and respect women. Do you?

Adoring and respecting women isn't the same as being a feminist, which is defined as being equal in rights and opportunities. I might adore and respect my dog*, but I don't consider it an equal.

\*I don't actually have a pet dog.

[YorkshireStu]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Try saying that, when you are trying to get to the hospital, or an airport by a certain time, and a dawdlers is holding you up. I am sure it will be a lot of comfort to you, when you miss your flight, or your operation.

TBF, if people are so inept as to not plan properly and manage their time accordingly, allowing for all manner of factors beyond their control when dealing with a significant event that they must be on time for, then that is on them.

That said...in countries where people aren't aholes like we find in the UK, things work a bit differently.

My Partner has marvelled at how people local to my Family home in Ballito, Durban generally behave when it comes to this specific type of situation. On the motorways and highways, slower moving traffic will move to the left as you approach...into the hard shoulder...to allow you to pass them. When we do, we give a little thank you. It just works.

There is zero reason why people who want to drive slower than the posted speed limits should be forced to travel faster. Equally, there should be no issues with those who do from overtaking with a little extra help where appropriate from the slower travelling drivers. Any arguments to the contrary is selfish.

Sadly, this doesn't happen though in the UK, as it's everyone for themselves. Grrrrrrrrrrr. Stuff everyone else. Hateful place.

[740EVTORQUES]

bigothunter said:

LunarOne said:

bigothunter said:

740EVTORQUES said:

Also, if you think ‘mumsnet’ is some kind of witty insult then your probably need to take a long look in the mirror.

Are you a feminist?

Aren't you?

I adore and respect women. Do you?

An oddly patronising choice of words. Respect would have been more than enough. They don’t need to earn respect by being adorable.

[carlo996]

740EVTORQUES said:

An oddly patronising choice of words. Respect would have been more than enough. They don’t need to earn respect by being adorable.

Nothing wrong his his statement. He said ‘he adores’, not there is a requirement. Before taking offence to something, perhaps you should understand the context?

[popeyewhite]

740EVTORQUES said:

An oddly patronising choice of words. Respect would have been more than enough. They don’t need to earn respect by being adorable.

Cringe.

Trying a bit too hard there.

[heebeegeetee]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Try saying that, when you are trying to get to the hospital, or an airport by a certain time, and a dawdlers is holding you up. I am sure it will be a lot of comfort to you, when you miss your flight, or your operation.

Dear god man, what kind of organisational skills have you got if you think a dawdler is going to cause you to miss a flight or operation?

Both require your presence hours before the event, do they not?

[carlo996]

Gerradi said:

Well your posting generally consistantly poor,but somehow you've surpassed yourself with this bile & your usual incompetence ...

You don’t agree with a compulsory re-test to see if people are fit to drive? Why would that be?

[8IKERDAVE]

For me, it's not just being held up per se, it's more the braking uneccesarily for corners, taking an age to pull out of junctions / away from traffic lights. It turns what could be a nice smooth drive into a horrible jerky affair.

I remember someone actually getting out of their car and coming over to me at a set of lights some years ago after I had overtaken them 30 seconds prior "that didn't get you very far did it". No but the point being I don't have to sit behind a terrible driver who jumps on the brakes at the first sign of a kink in the road, spends ten minutes pulling out of a junction and can't manage 60mph from a car with 150bhp (or whatever it was).

I have a day every month where I work really late and don't leave the office until around midnight. The drive home from this event is much nicer, I get home quicker and use less fuel because I haven't got the morons to contend with.