RE: New Aston Martin AM 310 Vanquish revealed
Discussion
sgq89 said:
And before you all pipe up saying "look at Porsche 911 - the same design for 50 years", yes, you are right, it is the same design for 50 years, and thats boring too. Iconic, yes, but also boring. And I doubt you'd spend £190k on a Porsche 911.
Ahem...http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3098551.htm
I dont get the constant Porsche comparison?
a 911 is about £70k, this Aston is £190k...surely it should feel more special than a 911? In which case, you'd like them to make abit more effort rather than redrawing DB9's over and over and over.
The fact that rather alot of people have questioned the DB9 design copy means there is clearly abit of an issue.
Its a really nice car, there is no doubting that, but like I said previously, it looks like ive seen it all before, therefore it isn't interesting. I'd walk straight past it in the street.
a 911 is about £70k, this Aston is £190k...surely it should feel more special than a 911? In which case, you'd like them to make abit more effort rather than redrawing DB9's over and over and over.
The fact that rather alot of people have questioned the DB9 design copy means there is clearly abit of an issue.
Its a really nice car, there is no doubting that, but like I said previously, it looks like ive seen it all before, therefore it isn't interesting. I'd walk straight past it in the street.
thewheelman said:
sgq89 said:
George H said:
The One-77 has a 7.3 litre V12 but is irrelevant listing it since they have sold all of the 77 cars. There are also variations of the 6 litre V12 (I believe it's something to do with the intake that changes the power) of 470bhp/600nm; 490bhp/570nm; 510bhp/570nm and also 573bhp/620nm. There are also 3 different gearboxes (automated manual/sportshift, automatic/tiptronic and manual - not available on all cars).
Ah, in George H, it appears we have a Prat on our hands.Wills2 said:
You'd have to be off your rocking horse to buy that.cathalm said:
bakerstreet said:
I like it, but when are they going to ditch that steering wheel?? Looks like it has been taken straight from the 1998 Ford Fiesta 
You mean that new steering wheel that wasn't present on any of the previous production Aston Martins but is similar to the one used on the one-77? I'm not sure about the Fiesta but am easily willing to belive you know more about them than you do Aston Martins.
sgq89 said:
Wills2 said:
You'd have to be off your rocking horse to buy that.Zod said:
It is not a tweaked DB9. It ha sa chassis made the same way as the DB9, but it's not the same. You could say the same of just about any other new model. The body is entirely new with every panel being carbon fibre. The interior is also entirely new. The engine is significantly modified. It is no more a tweaked DB9 than a 991 is a tweaked 997.
Okay, admittedly it's more than literally a tweaked DB9 but is a close evolution, not a next generation design. Exterior design wise it's hardly a progression, it's looks visually like a DB9 with not partially tasteful (IMO) additions. Aston have made some stunning beautiful cars but I'm not taken but this, for me it lacks elegance and purity. Wills2 said:
sgq89 said:
Wills2 said:
You'd have to be off your rocking horse to buy that.I get the Impression Aston will be really struggling in 3-4 years time......
There's a limit to how many cars you can churn out that are fundamentally the same as the one you first made in 2003.
I hope that's not the case, but they Seriously need someone to start investing in new platforms and power trains.
There's a limit to how many cars you can churn out that are fundamentally the same as the one you first made in 2003.
I hope that's not the case, but they Seriously need someone to start investing in new platforms and power trains.
i don't know what Aston martin performance department were thinking while making this new vanquish because they have made beautiful car but slower then their baby v12 vantage and also it slower to its main rival the Ferrari California which has less power but faster and alot more cheaper . there are rumour that CEO of Aston don't like this car too http://www.gtspirit.com/2012/06/16/ceo-aston-marti... a 50k lotus Exige is faster then the 200k Aston martin
Looks about 1,000 times better in silver/white, and with the non-Hotwheels wheels.
The first photos I saw of this car were the evo shots, and it looked like the boot was left open, I really hoped that they had anyway and that it didn't have the shut lines of a 40 year old Lotus. They appear to have either fixed that or photoshopped them here.
Edit: I just checked and from the photo above taken from the same angle, it's patently obvious they left the boot open before the photoshoot!
The first photos I saw of this car were the evo shots, and it looked like the boot was left open, I really hoped that they had anyway and that it didn't have the shut lines of a 40 year old Lotus. They appear to have either fixed that or photoshopped them here.
Edit: I just checked and from the photo above taken from the same angle, it's patently obvious they left the boot open before the photoshoot!
Edited by MiseryStreak on Wednesday 20th June 14:23
No doubt rehashing things said in the past 130 posts but:
Overall it is too fussy for my tastes, either facelift the DBS again, or build a new car, dont stick gills and crap on it.
Those exhausts look HUGE, I bet they make a nice noise.
The development of the centre console works well, looks properly classy.
I love the rear lights, but Ill save some money and get them in the "Badge Engineering" option pack for the Toyota IQ thanks.
Overall it is too fussy for my tastes, either facelift the DBS again, or build a new car, dont stick gills and crap on it.
Those exhausts look HUGE, I bet they make a nice noise.
The development of the centre console works well, looks properly classy.
I love the rear lights, but Ill save some money and get them in the "Badge Engineering" option pack for the Toyota IQ thanks.
From the front it looks nice. But mainly because it isnt really that far away from the Virage. Same headlights, different angle on edge of grill, lower bumper altered
From the rear I really dislike it. Stupid ugly spoiler. Lights which seem too small and dont follow design as well as before. Now they just look stuck on the corner without any thought. Ugly old number plate recess, not integrated into the design at all.
Overall disappointing, really poor effort given what people expect from them.
Look at Ferrari
308.......348......355......360......430......458
you may not like them all, but at each step you see significant progression, and an indication that they are trying to move on.
You could argue that they are doing what Porsche do with the 911. But they have been doing that since the dawn of time, and is part of their history.
Aston Martin have shown progress with each model up until the DB9 2004 and Vantage 2005.
Now it looks like they are lacking money or a creative design team or both
adambcvg said:
I think you should find out info before deciding on things. People see vh platform and think its the same chassis. Its not, its just a way of creating a chassis. This car is 99% brand spanking new.
And the VH platform has been in circulation since... ehm let me see yeah thats right 2004! There is only so much you can spin off from modulisation in the segment of the market. Please explain the 1% that is carried over??BallsOfTitanium said:
adambcvg said:
I think you should find out info before deciding on things. People see vh platform and think its the same chassis. Its not, its just a way of creating a chassis. This car is 99% brand spanking new.
And the VH platform has been in circulation since... ehm let me see yeah thats right 2004! There is only so much you can spin off from modulisation in the segment of the market. Please explain the 1% that is carried over??VH is not a platform in the sense that you're using it, it's a means of designing and producing different small-volume platforms at reasonable cost.
BallsOfTitanium said:
adambcvg said:
I think you should find out info before deciding on things. People see vh platform and think its the same chassis. Its not, its just a way of creating a chassis. This car is 99% brand spanking new.
And the VH platform has been in circulation since... ehm let me see yeah thats right 2004! There is only so much you can spin off from modulisation in the segment of the market. Please explain the 1% that is carried over??BMW press many different steel panels & weld them together. Aston, extrude, cast and machine aluminium components & bond them together. An E46 & E90 BMW share the way they are made & probably share a few components in their chassis but they are different. The DBS & new Vanquidh are the same. You could not take a Vanquish chassis/tub & build a DB9.
Come on people understand the VH concept. Just because the new car uses the VH technology does not mean it is the same as the last one.
kambites said:
BallsOfTitanium said:
adambcvg said:
I think you should find out info before deciding on things. People see vh platform and think its the same chassis. Its not, its just a way of creating a chassis. This car is 99% brand spanking new.
And the VH platform has been in circulation since... ehm let me see yeah thats right 2004! There is only so much you can spin off from modulisation in the segment of the market. Please explain the 1% that is carried over??VH is not a platform in the sense that you're using it, it's a means of designing and producing different small-volume platforms at reasonable cost.
I think the VH platform is actually based, via a rather tortured and convoluted development process, on the Elise's tub. Or perhaps more accurately, evolved from its principles. Lotus are certainly often credited with its initial conception.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 20th June 14:59
Zod said:
Stu R said:
That's a hell of an expensive way to look so cheap. Aston have been out of ideas for a long time.
Hmm, having checked your car history, you clearly have very different tastes to an Aston buyer.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff